new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

tuxy

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Can you interpret why the WHO Chief said this is more serious (which I have stated is not in terms of death rate)?

What's your take on how he compared them?

He never said that, he said it is more contagious.

Doctor Jimbob

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Can you interpret why the WHO Chief said this is more serious (which I have stated is not in terms of death rate)?

What's your take on how he compared them?

I assume he was referring to the fact ebola is generally confined geographically while this isnt.

I suspect he would have said similar about any virus with the potential to spread globally.

It's interesting you only mentioned the fact you obviously weren't talking about death rate after being called out on the comparison.

Ebola would a bigger problem if it didn't kill people so quickly. It's too lethal for its own good.

all about the mane

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Can you interpret why the WHO Chief said this is more serious (which I have stated is not in terms of death rate)?

What's your take on how he compared them?

If you don’t stop moving those goalposts you’ll put your back out. Worse than Ebola

Call Me Jimmy

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I assume he was referring to the fact ebola is generally confined geographically while this isnt.

I suspect he would have said similar about any virus with the potential to spread globally.

It's interesting you only mentioned the fact you obviously weren't talking about death rate after being called out on the comparison.

I have never hyped the death rate of this so I don't understand why you would think I was saying the death rate was comparable.

If Ebola is much easier contained than this, and this goes on to cause the problems it has worldwide compared to Ebola, more deaths, disruptions etc. overall it's worse.

If you limit it to just the health outlook for an individual of course they're obviously not comparable.

H.20v3

Think I seen someone with the virus today

Couldn't be 100% it was a corona

all about the mane

H.20v3 wrote: »

Think I seen someone with the virus today

Couldn't be 100% it was a corona

Was there a slice of lime in the top?

Unconfirmed reports now coming in that coronavirus has been spotted in Ireland.

wakka12

South Korea's second largest city , Busan, reports 22 new cases
Additionally 140 other new cases countrywide and one more death
https://m.yna.co.kr/kr/contents/?cid=AKR20200224051500017

Now over 760 cases in South Korea

wakka12

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Unconfirmed reports now coming in that coronavirus has been spotted in Ireland.

Where did you hear that?

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

Where did you hear that?

Here:

H.20v3 wrote: »

Think I seen someone with the virus today

Couldn't be 100% it was a corona

tuxy

I also saw someone with corona today.
Unsure if it was genuine cuban or not.

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

South Korea's second largest city , Busan, reports 22 new cases
Additionally 140 other new cases countrywide and one more death
https://m.yna.co.kr/kr/contents/?cid=AKR20200224051500017

Now over 760 cases in South Korea

My god. I'm impressed that you've learnt Korean to keep abreast of this news.

wakka12

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My god. I'm impressed that you've learnt Korean to keep abreast of this news.

Google translate is wonderful

BorneTobyWilde

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0zEK-6ZhPOY8eYs-874ymx_HCWQ3vIYDvwIsAT0SJk_t8IuCBEnumfF2U

tuxy

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0zEK-6ZhPOY8eYs-874ymx_HCWQ3vIYDvwIsAT0SJk_t8IuCBEnumfF2U

An impartial article by the man who wrote a book called "Bully of Asia: Why China's Dream is the New Threat to World Order"

bodhrandude

Never saw this news item before 3 suspected Covid-19 cases in Afghanistan.

fritzelly

They released the figures there a second ago and then removed them

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231776208087633921

fritzelly

Hubei Update

New Deaths - 149 (so 1 in the rest of China)
New Confirmed - 398 (so 11 in the rest of China)

Total Confirmed - 64,287
Serious/Critical - 9,430

Make what you want of those figures - that's the biggest death toll in one day?

BanditLuke

Outbreak in Kuwait now

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231828141175377920

wakka12

First case in Bahrain too
https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/bahrain/bahrain-and-kuwait-confirm-first-cases-of-coronavirus-disease-1.1582526120524

Graces7

Report on breaking news.ie this morning that we are now on" moderate alert" along with the rest of Europe, and a repeat/reinforcement of the HSE advice given since last month.

Glad to be stocked up; someone asked y'day that they would not have enough to last an emergency; but it will stand in good stead for any initial needs to subside and arrangements to be established.

Barking/wheezing here. Just my old enemy illness.

Varik

Boston mayor trying to get Sony along with others that pulled out of the PAX east convention in Boston to show up, claiming it creates fear and reinforces negative Asian stereotypes.

In a normal year people joke about the PAX flu, and this idiot is trying to use the race card to get that tourism bump back.

Unearthly

I know it's been said before but the HSE page about this is pathetic. All about China even though the virus is now clearly spreading throughout the world from people who were never in China

Useless

givyjoe

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where's your peer reviewed evidence of this? If there was no influenza vaccine. The numbers may be very similar. The flu vaccines reduces the prevalence by 40-60%.

There is no vaccine and won't be for 12-18 months.


Give over with this peer reviewed nonsense. There's multiple posters including yourself,spouting delusional nonsense about magically reducing mortality rates based on nothing but hope. If we're relying on only peer reviewed scientific journals we'd have about as much information as we do vaccines. Stating that we should only take heed of peer reviewed journals is absolute clap trap, should we ignore all breaking news as it's not peer reviewed?

Folks were already warned about these bizarre demands of peer reviewed posts to back up statements. It's even more bizarre when being asked to back up easily verifiable statements on the stats widely available.

My evidence are literally all of the statement made to date in media sources on death and infection rates which are the only figures we have. if you have any concrete figures to back up the stupid flu comparisons, do it.

Flu is comparable in the sense that it's a virus and has some similar symptoms. The figures are not comparable or relevant however and the those who keep comparing the two are showing a complete lack of critical thinking. Flu is in every city, in every country and has been for hundreds of years, covid19 has been around for weeks, comparing the two with regard to infected and dates is futile, wrong and may lead to dangerous complacency to put it mildly, from idiots who believe the flu is worse based on completely irrelevant stats. How many people are going to go work thinking, ah sure I've flu symptoms but it's only covid19 which doesn't kill nearly as many people as flu, be grand.

Kermit.de.frog

Can't believe they held an election in Iran during this. What sort of mentality is that?

They should be taking the most extreme measures given it seems more virulent there.

odyssey06

Unearthly wrote: »

I know it's been said before but the HSE page about this is pathetic. All about China even though the virus is now clearly spreading throughout the world from people who were never in China

At least give them a chance to catch up on the weekend's news in the Irish Times over their breakfasts first. Show some humanity.

Nijmegen

Unearthly wrote: »

I know it's been said before but the HSE page about this is pathetic. All about China even though the virus is now clearly spreading throughout the world from people who were never in China

Useless

They’re having committee meetings where they crack open the likes of the NHS page, read it line for line, contemplate the consequences for attempting to match the measures taken, and suggest that sure wait and see might be better.

Speaking to a duty manager at a place that has had isolation going on for some residents returned from affected areas, the HSE advice on what to do has been nothing but contradictory and a sense that nobody wants to give a straight answer to those at actual point of need. (I stress no confirmed cases or anything, just isolating folks who’d travelled for the precautionary period.)

SusanC10

Just a question on a potential Vaccine.

I seem to remember that Swine Flu started in April/May 2009 (I was pregnant at the time). But I thought that there was a Vaccine a few months later (maybe October?)

So why are they saying that it will be 12-18 months now ?

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

Report on breaking news.ie this morning that we are now on" moderate alert" along with the rest of Europe, and a repeat/reinforcement of the HSE advice given since last month.

Glad to be stocked up; someone asked y'day that they would not have enough to last an emergency; but it will stand in good stead for any initial needs to subside and arrangements to be established.

Barking/wheezing here. Just my old enemy illness.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-and-other-eu-countries-told-to-be-on-alert-for-possible-coronavirus-cases-983599.html

Two Irish people were on that flight but the Department of Health said late last night the there have been no confirmed cases of coronavirus here.

A statement from the National Public Health Emergency Team said that they have noted that the ECDE " now rates the risk of the occurrence of similar clusters of cases in other EU countries as moderate to high."
The team met last night and the statement said they "will meet again on Tuesday, 25 Feb, to monitor the situation in Europe and globally, and to advance preparedness plans for Ireland."

Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer in the Department of Health here, said:
“Ireland has been working on its preparedness for Covid-19 (Coronavirus) since January.
"We remain in a containment phase and, to date, there have been no confirmed cases of Covid-19 here.
“However, clearly the international situation is evolving. We will work with counterparts at the ECDC and WHO over the coming days to fully assess and incorporate the implications of these developments into our approach in Ireland.
“Our public health advice currently remains unchanged - anyone who may have been in contact with a person who has COVID-19, or who has been to mainland China in the last 14 days, is advised to contact HSE Live.

So they met last night but nobody could change the hse website from low to moderate/high.

And still it’s all about travel to China when it’s more likely that people would have travelled to Italy which we have numerous direct flights with on any given day.

Kermit.de.frog

Some weird triangle of logic goin on here...

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231846620930695169

Stark

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just a question on a potential Vaccine.

I seem to remember that Swine Flu started in April/May 2009 (I was pregnant at the time). But I thought that there was a Vaccine a few months later (maybe October?)

So why are they saying that it will be 12-18 months now ?

The swine flu vaccine was rushed through without adequate testing. And it looks like narcolepsy was a not uncommon side effect. Don't want to be making the same mistake again.

ceadaoin.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Some weird triangle of logic goin on here...

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231846620930695169

Yeah,basically it's too late.

tara73

Deleted User wrote: »

Unconfirmed reports now coming in that coronavirus has been spotted in Ireland.

do you think you are funny and hilarious or have attention issues spreading your BS in this situation or why are you doing it?

really annoying, this is the third or so post of you with such nonsense and no back up. why are the mods not reacting to this and nobody else is calling this guy out on this??

laurah591

4th Italian casualty, https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/02/22/news/coronavirus_in_italia_aggiornamento_ora_per_ora-249241616/

Google translate says - Fourth victim in Italy: he is an 84-year-old man who was hospitalized in Bergamo for other diseases

Looks like virus is active in that hospital (Papa Giovanni XXIII" hospital of the Lombard city) any chance the disease is being caught within the hospital - majority of intensive care patients appear to be Lombardy (16/17)? Any detailed articles re same?

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231857638121627649

scotchy

FTSE and other markets in free fall.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EFTSE?p=^FTSE

CinemaGuy45

scotchy wrote: »

FTSE and other markets in free fall.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EFTSE?p=^FTSE

Don't be so negative you just highlight the bad news look at the news page again there is a sale on at Penneys.;)

Hector Savage

haha!! listening to RTE radio here - talking about the Rugby, talking like the Italy game is gonna happen .... fools..

pc7

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Don't be so negative you just highlight the bad news look at the news page again there is a sale on at Penneys.;)

I’m in full panic mode now, Penney’s saying their supply chain will be affected and may not have new lines in coming months!!! Won’t someone think of us who love Penney’s!!!!! Damn you corona, damn you to hell

tara73

tara73 wrote: »

do you think you are funny and hilarious or have attention issues spreading your BS in this situation or why are you doing it?

really annoying, this is the third or so post of you with such nonsense and no back up. why are the mods not reacting to this and nobody else is calling this guy out on this??

We're allowed to post lies and bullshlt. Just take everything I say with a pinch of salt.

My thread about this fearmongering in feedback:

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058055420/1/#post112585000

Reply from an admin:

Beasty wrote: »

I agree with that sentiment. I posted a warning in the OP partially on the back of Ads by Google's feedback, but also after a number of reports. It can be seen via the link in the OP here, but the gist of it is none of us can be considered in any way "specialist" in the topic, but even if any of us feel we do have relevant knowledge we are all anonymous posters and unless a verified rep our own "expertise" is non-verifiable. Equally though those comments apply across the whole site.

Of course posting links to verifiable sources is different, but unlike other forums such as Politics we no not require such links to be posted and in the absence of such verifiable information everything posted should really be taken with a pinch of salt (except Mod warnings of course:pac:)

If boards.ie policy is to allow fake news in 2020, I will continue to make a mockery of it and the posters here doing it.

pc7

Hector Savage wrote: »

haha!! listening to RTE radio here - talking about the Rugby, talking like the Italy game is gonna happen .... fools..

I’m meant to be going to Paris for final game and just seeing how it plays out over next 3 weeks. I’m 70% thinking we won’t be going the way things are looking.

CinemaGuy45

pc7 wrote: »

I’m meant to be going to Paris for final game and just seeing how it plays out over next 3 weeks. I’m 70% thinking we won’t be going the way things are looking.

Yes but there is only a 35% chance of that.:P

Edit I am meant to be going away in 3 weeks also that is why I am following this thread.

Sure you have to laugh otherwise you might cry.

dominatinMC

I see "COVID-19" is now trending on Twitter...a sure sign that we're ****ed! :eek:

wakka12

70 more in South Korea, 833

Unearthly

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We're allowed to post lies and bullshlt. Just take everything I say with a pinch of salt.

My thread about this fearmongering in feedback:

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058055420/1/#post112585000

Reply from an admin:




If boards.ie policy is to allow fake news in 2020, I will continue to make a mockery of it and the posters here doing it.

Probably not the best idea to admit to trolling.

I think that's chapter 1 in how to be a troll

pc7

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Yes but there is only a 35% chance of that.:P

Edit I am meant to be going away in 3 weeks also that is why I am following this thread.

Sure you have to laugh otherwise you might cry.

Statistics

wakka12

https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231845075329650688

Awwww Googly is bored. He’s been told to stay away from work for weeks now.

Any update on the work situation?

CinemaGuy45

Just for some perspective.

The situation seems to have really kicked into high gear in the last 24 to 48 hours.

Yes this thing is not the end of the world the death rate although disputed is pretty low.

However the economy as in the world economy is going to take a beating and the same morons who said there was nothing to worry about are going to be the first ones to go into full panic mode.