new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

drkpower

Mic 1972 wrote: »

80K is decently sized sample

But you don’t know much or anything about how representative that 80k is if the total of people who get covid.

4068ac1elhodqr

fritzelly wrote: »

Coronavirus on Liveline - you know this is bad now

The chap said he tried to call the HSE on Sunday for advice, but the line was closed.

When did get through for advice today, it was 'ah sure, look it...'.

SeaBreezes

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

This is Waterford Whispers type stuff.

Next we’ll have the death toll drop because the WHO want to redefine what ‘death’ is.

We’ve already seen it a few times with ‘infected cases’.

Ha, was only chatting to a friend this morning about this, explained the WHO were taking the advice of Stats/infectious disease experts, and we were waiting to see the result of that today.
But I said, 'i guess they are figuring out how to say 'pandemic' without actually saying it.'

Not fit for purpose, that organisation. They are there to protect PEOPLE not economies..

Mic 1972

Mic 1972 wrote: »

80K is decently sized sample

Cmere. I thought you were a business analyst. Surely, you realise that the fact fact over 90% of cases are in the Hubei province would skew any data???

Runaways

This guy on the radio sounds like he’s waffling

Cody montana

Interesting to see how much the Dow Jones drops today.

cnocbui

10000maniacs wrote: »

How did the virus enter Italy? And how many on the airplane that brought in the carrier caught the virus too. Airplane air conditioning is a petri dish for such airborne viruses.

Airplane Air is HEPA filtered:

Every winter, legions of healthy travelers board airplanes wondering if they’ll still be well when they walk off, after spending hours packed shoulder to shoulder with dozens—or even hundreds—of other passengers, some of whom are likely to be suffering from a cold or the flu. This year, the prospect of contracting swine flu has of course heightened the anxiety. But there’s good reason to take heart (and take to the skies): Several scientific studies show that, in terms of the spread of contagious bugs, airplanes are healthier environments than is commonly believed.

While it’s true that the germs which cause colds and flu can be passed from person to person through coughs and sneezes, research indicates that you need to be sitting very close to a sick passenger—usually within two rows—and for longer than eight hours to significantly increase your chances of contracting an illness. “There is a heightened risk of infection when you enter a confined space such as an aircraft or subway, but a plane is a much safer place because of the ventilation system,” says Dr. Mark Gendreau, an emergency and aviation medicine expert at the Lahey Clinic in Burlington, Massachusetts.

On average, cabin air is completely refreshed 20 times per hour, compared with just 12 times per hour in an office building. On most aircraft, air is also circulated through hospital-grade HEPA filters, which remove 99.97 percent of bacteria, as well as the airborne particles that viruses use for transport (many regional jets lack these filters). Additionally, cabins are divided into separate ventilation sections about every seven rows of seats, which means that you share air only with those in your immediate environment and not with the guy who’s coughing up a lung ten rows back. When the plane is on the ground, however, air circulation in the cabin can be greatly reduced.

The most common way to pick up a bug when flying, experts say, is from a contaminated surface—tray tables, lavatory doors, and latches on overhead bins are loaded with viruses and bacteria. “When I travel, I become very compulsive and even wipe the tray table with an alcohol-based hand sanitizer,” says Dr. Gendreau.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34708785/ns/travel-travel_tips/t/airplane-air-not-bad-you-think/

givyjoe

whiskeyman wrote: »

I just saw a clip of him on the RTE 9 news.
He said if you have symptoms, to call 999 or your GP!!!

WTF??

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Seems ok to me. What do you think they should do?

givyjoe wrote: »

Call Joe Duffy

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

The chap said he tried to call the HSE on Sunday for advice, but the line was closed.

When did get through for advice today, it was 'ah sure, look it...'.

This wasnt a joke!

elbyrneo

My Mam is travelling to Spain on Thursday, she would be prone to picking up infections. To put her mind a little at ease for the airplane/airport want to get her a mask, the n95 respirator type ones, not the surgical ones that dont do much.

Sold out everywhere I can see. Any suggestions at short notice?

dominatinMC

elbyrneo wrote: »

My Mam is travelling to Spain on Thursday, she would be prone to picking up infections. To put her mind a little at ease for the airplane/airport want to get her a mask, the n95 respirator type ones, not the surgical ones that dont do much.

Sold out everywhere I can see. Any suggestions at short notice?

Is the trip urgent/critical? If not, then why bother

DrumSteve

elbyrneo wrote: »

My Mam is travelling to Spain on Thursday, she would be prone to picking up infections. To put her mind a little at ease for the airplane/airport want to get her a mask, the n95 respirator type ones, not the surgical ones that dont do much.

Sold out everywhere I can see. Any suggestions at short notice?

Bike shop maybe? I think some cyclists use them to filter out pollution.

odyssey06

elbyrneo wrote: »

My Mam is travelling to Spain on Thursday, she would be prone to picking up infections. To put her mind a little at ease for the airplane/airport want to get her a mask, the n95 respirator type ones, not the surgical ones that dont do much. Sold out everywhere I can see. Any suggestions at short notice?

You're probably not going to get a mask but from what I've read, obsessive hand washing, pocket alcohol hand gels etc are as important. Wear gloves when travelling, take them off when eating. Don't put hand to face etc

Fr_Dougal

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Ha, was only chatting to a friend this morning about this, explained the WHO were taking the advice of Stats/infectious disease experts, and we were waiting to see the result of that today.
But I said, 'i guess they are figuring out how to say 'pandemic' without actually saying it.'

Not for for purpose, that organisation. They are there to protect PEOPLE not economies..

‘It’s not Status Red yet, just Status really really really dark Orange”.

cnocbui

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I'm expecting a visitor from Rome on Wednesday, she'll stay for 1 month LOL!

... in the garden shed. I'll be looking after her though, Taking her meals on paper plates and incinerating them afterwards. I've even got her a chemical toilet. Theres' no shower, but it rains frequently so she can just stand outside when it does.

fritzelly

elbyrneo wrote: »

My Mam is travelling to Spain on Thursday, she would be prone to picking up infections. To put her mind a little at ease for the airplane/airport want to get her a mask, the n95 respirator type ones, not the surgical ones that dont do much.

Sold out everywhere I can see. Any suggestions at short notice?

Drumpot

fritzelly wrote: »

So this is convenient, cannot declare a pandemic if you have no criteria to declare one

I thought this was a funny post in that link:




:pac:

MOR316

Is Joe's surgery open 24/7?

Hector Savage

Joe is talking about it on de Lahvline!!

10000maniacs

cnocbui wrote: »

Airplane Air is HEPA filtered:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34708785/ns/travel-travel_tips/t/airplane-air-not-bad-you-think/

What about the people around this person on the plane. I am sure there was coughing and sneezing at some stage.

odyssey06

Hector Savage wrote: »

Joe is talking about it on de Lahvline!!

Maybe now we'll see some proper action from official Ireland, Joe is on the case.

Jimmy Garlic

The recently elected psychopathic creep Simon Harris seems to be very blase and care free about this situation. Not bothered now the pension is in the bag and he can doss on the back bench counting his wodge of money while literally getting paid for doing nothing at the same time.

Mic 1972

Deleted User wrote: »

Cmere. I thought you were a business analyst. Surely, you realise that the fact fact over 90% of cases are in the Hubei province would skew any data???

if the majority of cases took place in Hubei then we have to look at the data from Hubei, we don't know if the virus behaves differently depending on the geographical location or ethnicity. So it's still good data

Fatality rate outside of China is lower, but in this case the sample is small
Personally i feel more confident with a bigger sample rather than a selective smaller one, but i do agree that China is not the best source of data

ThePopehimself

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePopehimself View Post
...and how many more Taxi's are driving around having had similar passengers today...

The 13:22 Milan to Dublin EI433 just landed at Terminal 2 Dublin Airport
And the 15:40 Dublin to Milan EI 436 is due to depart this afternoon bang on schedule…
There are people travelling back and forth to South Korea from Dublin and Shannon...and so it goes.

Our stable doors have been left wide open.

BanditLuke wrote: »

It's actually farcial now. The government has sent out HSE talking heads all morning to tell people stop being silly everything is okay yet they still up until 1pm had zero checks within the airport for incoming passangers never mind cancelling flights. If it wasn't so serious you'd laugh.

Yup! The man speaking on Liveline just now pointed out there are no checks on anyone landing from Milan today at Dublin Airport. Nothing.

Jimmy Garlic

Mic 1972 wrote: »

if the majority of cases took place in Hubei then we have to look at the data from Hubei, we don't know if the virus behaves differently depending on the geographical location or ethnicity. So it's still good data

Fatality rate outside of China is lower, but in this case the sample is small
Personally i feel more confident with a bigger sample rather than a selective smaller one, but i do agree that China is not the best source of data

It is not lower in Iran where it has most likely mutated. 20% fatalities in Iran.

Mic 1972

cnocbui wrote: »

... in the garden shed. I'll be looking after her though, Taking her meals on paper plates and incinerating them afterwards. I've even got her a chemical toilet. Theres' no shower, but it rains frequently so she can just stand outside when it does.

:D:D

Dpg21

Was just having a look at worldimeters. Has anyone else noticed that the numbers are wrong for some of the countries? For example phillipines it says total cases is 3 but recovered cases is 333. And also France doesn’t add up as well. If they are making mistakes like this I’m just wondering how reliable are any of those figures on worldometers

wadacrack

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) remains confident that this summer's Tokyo Games can take place as planned, despite a growing number of sports events being cancelled around the world.

"The preparations for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 continue as planned. Countermeasures against infectious diseases constitute an important part of Tokyo 2020's plans to host a safe and secure Games," the IOC said.

wadacrack

Iran denies virus coverup after claim of 50 deaths
Iran's government vowed to be transparent after being accused of covering up the deadliest coronavirus outbreak outside China, dismissing a lawmaker's claim the toll could be as high as 50.

The government announced Iran's coronavirus death toll had jumped by four to 12 - by far the highest outside China.

But Ahmad Amirabadi Farahani, a lawmaker from the holy city of Qom, south of Tehran, alleged the government was "lying".

"As of last night, about 50 people have died" from the coronavirus in Qom alone, ILNA news agency, which is close to reformists, quoted him as saying after a closed session of parliament on the crisis.

The government rejected the claim.

Mic 1972

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It is not lower in Iran where it has most likely mutated. 20% fatalities in Iran.

I did a rough calculation looking at the top 8 countries outside China (that includes Iran)
I used the quick formula Deaths / Total cases
All countries = 3%
All except China = 1.4%


but the disproportion between the two sample sizes makes the comparison not very relevant in my opinion

4068ac1elhodqr

Cody montana wrote: »

Interesting to see how much the Dow Jones drops today.

If it's anything like Eurostocks 3-4% down the toilet is the conservative estimate.

The gold stores over in Detroit will be eyeing up anyone walking by their stores, that has a gold $1680^ tooth or bit of gangsta bling, entice them in with free fried chicken.

Mic 1972

Dpg21 wrote: »

Was just having a look at worldimeters. Has anyone else noticed that the numbers are wrong for some of the countries? For example phillipines it says total cases is 3 but recovered cases is 333. And also France doesn’t add up as well. If they are making mistakes like this I’m just wondering how reliable are any of those figures on worldometers

it says Philippines 3, recovered cases 2
France 12 cases, 10 recovery, 1 critical, they seem to add up

4068ac1elhodqr

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I did a rough calculation looking at the top 8 countries outside China (that includes Iran)
I used the quick formula Deaths / Total cases

Highly irrelevant, as most of these are brand new cases
e.g. Italy has gone from 150 yesterday to 200 today, was only 100 couple days ago.

The WuFlu takes 2-3wks to run it's course.
Even that duration is ignoring secondary complications.

Recovery rate of China (largest by far dataset) is only 30%.
The rest is either 'pending' or 'pushing up daisies'.

fritzelly

"Expert" on Liveline, it's no worse than flu, take a deep breath lol

Hector Savage

Listening to Liveline here, they are saying check the HSE website for the latest info ...

christ..

Dpg21

That’s not what’s showing up for me on my phone? How the hell do I attach a screen shot on this site? Lol

odyssey06

fritzelly wrote: »

"Expert" on Liveline, it's no worse than flu, take a deep breath lol

We're really screwed so.

The Taoiseach has claimed that a "very severe flu season" has exacerbated the level of overcrowding in the country's hospitals.
According to the Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation (INMO), the trolley crisis has reached a record level, with 760 admitted patients waiting for beds.
- January 2020 in the Irish Independent

creditcarder

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

If it's anything like Eurostocks 3-4% down the toilet is the conservative estimate.

The gold stores over in Detroit will be eyeing up anyone walking by their stores, that has a gold $1680^ tooth or bit of gangsta bling, entice them in with free fried chicken.

Kinda racist

Doctor Jimbob

Liveline, usually the best source in Ireland for rampant hysteria, is coming across as calm and reasoned compared to some of the posts on this thread.

Dpg21

Now Oman is reporting 2 cases

DrumSteve

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Liveline, usually the best source in Ireland for rampant hysteria, is coming across as calm and reasoned compared to some of the posts on this thread.

Thats because this thread is basically the Diamond Princess of boards.

4068ac1elhodqr

creditcarder wrote: »

Kinda racist

Oops, but have you ever seen the cable show 'pawn stars', the one based in Detroit, nearly every single customer has some gold (internal/external), or is selling gold, or wants to buy gold (often as teeth).


Spot Gold is up at 7yr high, climbed 2% this morning.
Would actually prefer Silver (also up), as is more beneficial in a pandemic.

mouthful

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Oops, but have you ever seen the cable show 'pawn stars', the one based in Detroit, nearly every single customer has some gold (internal/external), or is selling gold, or wants to buy gold (often as teeth).


Spot Gold is up at 7yr high, climbed 2% this morning.
Would actually prefer Silver (also up), as is more beneficial in a pandemic.

How would you feel if the same comment was posted on a British chat room where they were talking about Irish and the offer was a bottle of whiskey- I would see that as equally as racist as your comment!

Hector Savage

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Oops, but have you ever seen the cable show 'pawn stars', the one based in Detroit, nearly every single customer has some gold (internal/external), or is selling gold, or wants to buy gold (often as teeth).


Spot Gold is up at 7yr high, climbed 2% this morning.
Would actually prefer Silver (also up), as is more beneficial in a pandemic.

Pawn Stars is set in Las Vegas and is a mildly entertaining show, the one in Detroit is called hard core pawn and is absolute trash ...

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231948263005270016

notobtuse

fritzelly wrote: »

"Expert" on Liveline, it's no worse than flu, take a deep breath lol

Meanwhile in Italy...

Cody montana

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

If it's anything like Eurostocks 3-4% down the toilet is the conservative estimate.

The gold stores over in Detroit will be eyeing up anyone walking by their stores, that has a gold $1680^ tooth or bit of gangsta bling, entice them in with free fried chicken.

Down 870 points, yikes!!

Duke of Url

Mic 1972

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Highly irrelevant, as most of these are brand new cases
e.g. Italy has gone from 150 yesterday to 200 today, was only 100 couple days ago.

The WuFlu takes 2-3wks to run it's course.
Even that duration is ignoring secondary complications.

Recovery rate of China (largest by far dataset) is only 30%.
The rest is either 'pending' or 'pushing up daisies'.

I agree, someone was arguing how relevant it is to look at a large data set when most cases are from 1 specific region of the world. Other than that I personally only look at the full picture here, China+Rest of the world and only at close cases

CinemaGuy45

Titclamp wrote: »

If there was no internet we'd not be infected virus paranoia

You make mock now but I hope you PC antivirus is up to date you can catch this thing over WIFI.:pac:

SeaBreezes

Can anyone explain this to me?

https://qz.com/1017805/the-world-bank-issued-425-million-in-pandemic-bonds-and-derivatives-designed-so-investors-pay-in-the-event-of-an-outbreak/
The World Bank’s “pandemic bonds” are designed so investors pay in the event of an outbreak...

Is that why a pandemic is no longer a pandemic? Because the investors would lose their money, and the funds would be released to go to countries currently fighting COVID19?