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CinemaGuy45

gmisk wrote: »

I have a holiday to lake Garda in April....feeling a tad worried now...should I be?
Will travel insurance cover refund on flights and hotel etc I wonder?

Worried about the money you spent or the virus?

wadacrack

gmisk wrote: »

I have a holiday to lake Garda in April....feeling a tad worried now...should I be?
Will travel insurance cover refund on flights and hotel etc I wonder?

Id be amazed if you are let in the country at that stage

gmisk

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Worried about the money you spent or the virus?

Both...

CinemaGuy45

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

You forgot MIC 1972;)

I remembered mic but couldn’t remember EVERONE that’s arguing with him though so didn’t want it to appear like I’m taking sides lol

RebelButtMunch

Nijmegen wrote: »

So the DFA are saying "Citizens are advised not to travel to affected areas," re Italy.

Why are flights still going, so?

It's a long shot... but maybe there are people on the plane that are Italian going home..

gmisk

wadacrack wrote: »

Id be amazed if you are let in the country at that stage

Mama Mia!
I best call the travel insurance people

antodeco

Jaysus, these "will it be ok to travel to X in May 2023" posts are just like the "WIll i be safe to drive to killarney at EXACTLY 6:43am during the orange weather warning next Saturday, whilst wearing a beret that was borrowed from a french neighbours cat?"

ohnonotgmail

Nijmegen wrote: »

So the DFA are saying "Citizens are advised not to travel to affected areas," re Italy.

Why are flights still going, so?

It is advice. It is not a ban on travel.

CinemaGuy45

wadacrack wrote: »

Id be amazed if you are let in the country at that stage

And I would be even more amazed if you get a single cent back.

Not making fun I am due to travel soon also.:(

odyssey06

Nijmegen wrote: »

So the DFA are saying "Citizens are advised not to travel to affected areas," re Italy. Why are flights still going, so?

The DFA are being very specific, affected areas doesn't mean the entire region. So Milan and Venice are NOT classed as affected even though parts of the hinterland they serve are.
I guess that Austrians stopped the trains because they went though the affected areas.

(not saying DFA are right or wrong, just I think that's what they mean)

Mic 1972

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I'm in the Analyst Team! :-)

100% you are!

babybuilder

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is advice. It is not a ban on travel.

Like advising people not to run into a burning building

Strawberry Milkshake

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

100% you are!

I could undertake a wide scale study into the least amount of toilet paper a family of four needs in order to survive a three month quarantine.

Jenna James

Jenna James wrote: »

I’m really worried and been so for a bit. Anyone I say it to just plays it down.

Jenna sit over there in the eeyore doom and gloom corner. Bodhrandude will get you a camomile tea

;D

Ficheall

20 minutes in - finally a journalist gives the first mention of Italy.

MD1990

good press conference from WHO

peaked in Wuhan Jan 26-Feb 2nd. Feeling bit more optimistic.
Should hopefully give countries more time to prepare as best they can.

Slow it down next 2 months & we will be ok imo.

CinemaGuy45

Jenna James wrote: »

I’m really worried and been so for a bit. Anyone I say it to just plays it down.

The people who play it down are just morons but why worry?

There is noting we can do about it what will happen will happen either way.:)

CinemaGuy45

MD1990 wrote: »

good press conference from WHO

peaked in Wuhan Jan 26-Feb 2nd. Feeling bit more optimistic.
Should hopefully give countries more time to prepare as best they can.

Slow it down next 2 months & we will be ok imo.

Watch the stock markets for all you need to know not that bunch of jokers.

Ficheall

MD1990 wrote: »

good press conference from WHO

peaked in Wuhan Jan 26-Feb 2nd. Feeling bit more optimistic.
Should hopefully give countries more time to prepare as best they can.

Slow it down next 2 months & we will be ok imo.

Is this another satirical poster?

odyssey06

Does boards.ie have a contingency plan to keep up operations of this vital service should we get hit a pandemic here?

The people demand answers.

Please route my request to appropriate resource.

Call Me Jimmy

WHO Chief was asked a great question by a reporter 'when the virus arrives in a new place, should countries use the same lockdown approach that China is using?'

Didn't answer, said there'll be a statement on it tomorrow apparently.

CinemaGuy45

Ficheall wrote: »

Is this another satirical poster?

I think the poster is being serious,:eek:

DrumSteve

MD1990 wrote: »

good press conference from WHO

peaked in Wuhan Jan 26-Feb 2nd. Feeling bit more optimistic.
Should hopefully give countries more time to prepare as best they can.

Slow it down next 2 months & we will be ok imo.

That's great, but it seems to now be on the rise everywhere else.

CinemaGuy45

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

WHO Chief was asked a great question by a reporter 'when the virus arrives in a new place, should countries use the same lockdown approach that China is using?'

Didn't answer, said there'll be a statement on it tomorrow apparently.

Like Disney Star Wars

a good question for another time

I hope it has a more satisfying ending.:)

Nijmegen

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

It's a long shot... but maybe there are people on the plane that are Italian going home..

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is advice. It is not a ban on travel.

And likely still plenty of people going out on the jolliers. To both these points, I'd remark that advice not to go somewhere tends to be because there's something occurring that you don't want to run into - a local civil war or similar. This is something you can catch and bring home. If the advice is not to go in case you catch it, they should IMO be enforcing 1-way travel for the duration or just shutting down the flights.

FishOnABike

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Ebola has a fatality rate of up to 90% by the way, for anyone who thinks comparing the two in terms of impact to human life is remotely comparable.

That 90% and the relatively short incubation period tends to make Ebola self limiting as it incapacitates and kills carriers quickly. Outbreaks tend to burn themselves out relatively quickly once mobility is restricted.

The novel corona virus is slower acting, appears to be transmissible in asymptomatic carriers so is likely to spread farther and remain active in the community for longer, possibly becoming seasonally endemic worldwide and infecting far more people. This is were it is a higher risk.

silverharp

gmisk wrote: »

I have a holiday to lake Garda in April....feeling a tad worried now...should I be?
Will travel insurance cover refund on flights and hotel etc I wonder?

Act of God, bet you wish they were Atheists :pac:

drkpower

Nijmegen wrote: »

So the DFA are saying "Citizens are advised not to travel to affected areas," re Italy.

Why are flights still going, so?

There is a pretty big difference between advice and a ban.

DFA advises against travel to various areas in the world from time to time; you can still go there though.

ohnonotgmail

Nijmegen wrote: »

And likely still plenty of people going out on the jolliers. To both these points, I'd remark that advice not to go somewhere tends to be because there's something occurring that you don't want to run into - a local civil war or similar. This is something you can catch and bring home. If the advice is not to go in case you catch it, they should IMO be enforcing 1-way travel for the duration or just shutting down the flights.

I made no comment on what the dfa should do, merely on what they have done. You seemed to think that advice on not travelling was the same as a ban. It isn't.

SeaBreezes

MD1990 wrote: »

good press conference from WHO

peaked in Wuhan Jan 26-Feb 2nd. Feeling bit more optimistic.
Should hopefully give countries more time to prepare as best they can.

Slow it down next 2 months & we will be ok imo.

Peaked in Wuhan cause NOBODY HAS LEFT THEIR HOUSE IN OVER A MONTH.. and most CANT Get to hospital anyway...

Funny how it 'peaked' 2 days after everyone was confined to their houses..

CinemaGuy45

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I made no comment on what the dfa should do, merely on what they have done. You seemed to think that advice on not travelling was the same as a ban. It isn't.

People are advised not to travel to that area but hey 99% chance it's already here so whatever.

wadacrack

"They found that the fatality rate is between 2%-4% in Wuhan, Flag of China & 0.7% outside Wuhan.

They found that for people with mild #COVID19 disease, recovery time is about two weeks, while people with severe or critical disease recover within three to six weeks"-

fr336

odyssey06 wrote: »

Does boards.ie have a contingency plan to keep up operations of this vital service should we get hit a pandemic here?

The people demand answers.

Please route my request to appropriate resource.

I've heard the mods and techies have a big bunker out in the country.

RandomName2

Deleted User wrote: »

Relax there. Fritzelly agrees with you. Read it again.

Ah, the commas threw me off, made it sound that he was speaking in first person.

RandomName2

givyjoe wrote: »

Hang on now, we're not anywhere near that just yet. We're on the verge of our first confirmed cases, it'll take a fair while before we alone (Ireland) get to thousands.

We need more precautions though.

Yeah, but I don't actually see any precautions being taken by the government. Without precautions, infections increase exponentially, until basically everyone is affected.

DrumSteve

wadacrack wrote: »

"They found that the fatality rate is between 2%-4% in Wuhan, Flag of China & 0.7% outside Wuhan.

They found that for people with mild #COVID19 disease, recovery time is about two weeks, while people with severe or critical disease recover within three to six weeks"-

What's mild in this instance?

Flu like symptoms?

MD1990

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Peaked in Wuhan cause NOBODY HAS LEFT THEIR HOUSE IN OVER A MONTH.. and most CANT Get to hospital anyway...

Funny how it 'peaked' 2 days after everyone was confined to their houses..

Well the cases rose most while everyone was contained.

So it is good to know that if you go into lockdown early & not wait nearly 2 months like Wuhan you can greatly contain the spread.

If Wuhan had done this a month earlier they would be in much better shape.
So it is a lesson to the rest of the world.

They have people in Wuhan so people can dicredit them all they want but they know much more than anyone else.

Nijmegen

drkpower wrote: »

There is a pretty big difference between advice and a ban.

DFA advises against travel to various areas in the world from time to time; you can still go there though.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I made no comment on what the dfa should do, merely on what they have done. You seemed to think that advice on not travelling was the same as a ban. It isn't.

I didn't mistake advice for a ban - I questioned why they aren't banning it if they're advising people not to go. Sorry I might have been clearer. As I mentioned upthread, if you shouldn't go because you might catch the virus then you probably shouldn't be allowed go, considering you can bring it back (unlike, say, a travel advisory to avoid HK during the protests - you're unlikely to carry back a riot.)

cameramonkey

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-singapore-update-coronavirus-cases-feb-24-12463606

One new case in Singapore, none yesterday. 2 discharged today.

cameramonkey

MD1990 wrote: »

Well the cases rose most while everyone was contained.

So it is good to know that if you go into lockdown early & not wait nearly 2 months like Wuhan you can greatly contain the spread.

If Wuhan had done this a month earlier they would be in much better shape.
So it is a lesson to the rest of the world.

They have people in Wuhan so people can dicredit them all they want but they know much more than anyone else.

The virus will most likely have been present in Italy for the last month mostly undetected. Getting early confirmation seems difficult because of the nature of the virus.

10000maniacs

10000maniacs wrote: »

Back at you. Influenza is not in the same family as the 2019-nCoV virus.

The common cold is not influenza....

Ficheall

Deleted User wrote: »

I could undertake a wide scale study into the least amount of toilet paper a family of four needs in order to survive a three month quarantine.

Tip: Buy a bottle of baby cream and add a dollop on your second wipe. Can significantly reduce the number of wipes needed thereafter.

SeaBreezes

MD1990 wrote: »

Well the cases rose most while everyone was contained.

So it is good to know that if you go into lockdown early & not wait nearly 2 months like Wuhan you can greatly contain the spread.

If Wuhan had done this a month earlier they would be in much better shape.
So it is a lesson to the rest of the world.

They have people in Wuhan so people can dicredit them all they want but they know much more than anyone else.

Yeah I cant see the 'locking affected people into their houses' going over too well here..

SeaBreezes

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Peaked in Wuhan cause NOBODY HAS LEFT THEIR HOUSE IN OVER A MONTH.. and most CANT Get to hospital anyway...

Funny how it 'peaked' 2 days after everyone was confined to their houses..

I'm so tired of this conspiracy theory. You are as bad as 9/11 truthers.

Can we have a poll in the new thread for how worried you feel on a scale of 1-10. We need to be able to vote in it daily though, not just one vote per person ,so we can get a more accurate idea of just how panicked the people in this thread are. (as opposed to just being told we're panicked).

Yesterday I would have voted 3 or 4/10. Today I'm more 5/10 because I have a sore throat!

Ficheall

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm so tired of this conspiracy theory. You are as bad as 9/11 truthers.

What conspiracy theory? Was the lockdown not Wuhan's official stance?

Ficheall

Ficheall wrote: »

What conspiracy theory? Was the lockdown not Wuhan's official stance?

That nobody has left their house for a month in Wuhan. That China is deliberately hiding the truth death figures. That the chinese have 20 (or whatever) amount of crematoriums running 24/7. It's all bollocks designed to titillate small minded people.

fr336

Deleted User wrote: »

Can we have a poll in the new thread for how worried you feel on a scale of 1-10. We need to be able to vote in it daily though, not just one vote per person ,so we can get a more accurate idea of just how panicked the people in this thread are. (as opposed to just being told we're panicked).

Yesterday I would have voted 3 or 4/10. Today I'm more 5/10 because I have a sore throat!

I was about 8.5/10 when Italy started kicking off, now it's more of a 6.

drkpower

Nijmegen wrote: »

I didn't mistake advice for a ban - I questioned why they aren't banning it if they're advising people not to go. Sorry I might have been clearer. As I mentioned upthread, if you shouldn't go because you might catch the virus then you probably shouldn't be allowed go, considering you can bring it back (unlike, say, a travel advisory to avoid HK during the protests - you're unlikely to carry back a riot.)

There are plenty of places in the world from where you can bring back a communicable and deadly disease.

It’s a question of proportionality; banning travel is one of the more draconian steps a state can impose on its citizens; it would usually (and rightly) be considered a measure of last resort; it is not proportionate to ban travel to a country with c. 200 cases of a disease whose morbidity and mortality we have yet to fully understand.

I suspect that will never be proportionate but we will see.

Ficheall

I'll ignore the non-quoted bit, since it wasn't what I was talking about at all..

Deleted User wrote: »

That nobody has left their house for a month in Wuhan.

What do you think Wuhan did, if not drastically reduce the number of people out and about interacting with each other?
Is your conspiracy theory that Wuhan only pretended to have a big lockdown?