new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Kermit.de.frog

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

This is worrying if true: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/health-experts-say-humantohuman-spread-of-new-virus-is-worrying/news-story/9c2a58ffe1060669fe65f8408ad5655e

Cremating bodies in secret in China.

They have quarantined almost 60 million people (and videos are being taken down every day of the actual worsening societal situation for those people within the zone, it's a black out). You don't do that for a handful of deaths. Like most I feel the situation is a lot worse than we are allowed to know.

In a way it is understandable - no one wants to cause a panic either.

Live updates here

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jan/30/coronavirus-live-updates-china-death-toll-wuhan-evacuation-foreign-nationals-citizens-latest-news

cameramonkey

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jan/30/coronavirus-live-updates-china-death-toll-wuhan-evacuation-foreign-nationals-citizens-latest-news

Australian authorities are now confirming what they know about how people can catch the virus: “In terms of walking past people in the street who may or may not be infected. That is also totally virtually safe. We’re talking about really close contact over a period of time. That’s an important message that people should take.”

fritzelly

cameramonkey wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jan/30/coronavirus-live-updates-china-death-toll-wuhan-evacuation-foreign-nationals-citizens-latest-news

Australian authorities are now confirming what they know about how people can catch the virus: “In terms of walking past people in the street who may or may not be infected. That is also totally virtually safe. We’re talking about really close contact over a period of time. That’s an important message that people should take.”

Not sure how they can say that, people sneezing, coughing etc spreading the virus. Do they know something we don't?

creditcarder

In interesting news, China has now unblocked porn to keep people entertained at home :P

cameramonkey

fritzelly wrote: »

Not sure how they can say that, people sneezing, coughing etc spreading the virus. Do they know something we don't?

I'm sure medical practitioners know lots of stuff we don't know, that is why they spent years in college and in practice.

fritzelly

cameramonkey wrote: »

I'm sure medical practitioners know lots of stuff we don't know, that is why they spent years in college and in practice.

Ok so respiratory viruses are only spread by close contact
And we're evacuating all Australians

creditcarder

fritzelly wrote: »

Ok so respiratory viruses are only spread by close contact

Option 1: They are trying to keep social order

Option 2: Its as common to get as a cold. So, prolonged contact, but passing somebody on the street might not get you a cold

Option 3: Something is afoot, but I doubt it.

cameramonkey

fritzelly wrote: »

Ok so respiratory viruses are only spread by close contact
And we're evacuating all Australians

I would imagine most respiratory infections happen with close contact. If these infections were passed on by passing people in the street then every cold or flue outbreak would be a near 100% infection rate in most towns and cities.

fritzelly

Option 2 can give you the cold in no time

cameramonkey

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jan/30/coronavirus-live-updates-china-death-toll-wuhan-evacuation-foreign-nationals-citizens-latest-news

"Three Japanese nationals who returned home from Wuhan have tested positive for the coronavirus, Japan’s public broadcaster NHK said on Thursday, citing the health ministry. Two of the three had not shown any symptoms, the ministry said, according to NHK.

The three infected people were among 206 Japanese who were repatriated on a government-chartered plane on Wednesday. A second plane carrying another 210 people landed in Tokyo on Thursday morning. The Japanese government is considering sending a third flight to collect a further 200 Japanese citizens who wish to return from Wuhan, the central Chinese city at the epicentre of the outbreak.

Japan has 11 confirmed cases of the virus, including two that are believed to have resulted from human-to-human transmission – a bus driver in his 60s who drove tourists from Wuhan on two occasions earlier this month, and a female tour guide in her 40s who worked alongside the driver and the tourists. Neither of them have travelled abroad in the past month, NHK said."

fritzelly

cameramonkey wrote: »

I would imagine most respiratory infections happen with close contact. If these infections were passed on by passing people in the street then every cold or flue outbreak would be a near 100% infection rate in most towns and cities.

The respiratory infection is secondary unless I'm reading it wrong, this is flu like then affects the lungs big time

Rhys Essien

I’d say that’s the Olympics cancelled this summer.

ceadaoin.

fritzelly wrote: »

The respiratory infection is secondary unless I'm reading it wrong, this is flu like then affects the lungs big time

This is a respiratory illness, same as a cold and flu. In a small percentage of cases these can develop into complications such as pneumonia. Most people have less severe symptoms however and the indications are that this is no different.

It spreads like the cold or flu, from coming into contact with infected droplets, either through being in proximity to a person sneezing or coughing, or by touching infected surfaces and transferring the virus from your hands to your eyes, nose or mouth. Theres nothing new about these methods of transmission.

ceadaoin.

The person who was the first US case to be diagnosed in Washington state is recovering well and expected to be released from hospital later on this week. Good news

Smiles35

Rhys Essien wrote: »

I’d say that’s the Olympics cancelled this summer.

Would you say some countries might stop their competitors going?

Yurt2

Rhys Essien wrote: »

I’d say that’s the Olympics cancelled this summer.

Japanese people, in general, are hygiene freaks. If any country can prevent its' spread in-country over the next few months, it's Japan. I'd imagine they wouldn't be shy about stopping flights from China as well. They grumble about the amount of tourists they have already.

odyssey06

cameramonkey wrote: »

Australian authorities are now confirming what they know about how people can catch the virus: “In terms of walking past people in the street who may or may not be infected. That is also totally virtually safe. We’re talking about really close contact over a period of time. That’s an important message that people should take.”

Not totally sure about the language here... Colleagues in Germany were infected by an original patient. I would say "really close contact" about family members \ spouses NOT colleagues.

VinLieger

So whats peoples guess will the WHO declare an emergency at an international level in their meeting today?

givyjoe

Rhys Essien wrote: »

I’d say that’s the Olympics cancelled this summer.

Worried the Premier League will be affected also.. need Liverpool to get over the line asap!!

Ulysses Gaze

givyjoe wrote: »

Worried the Premier League will be affected also.. need Liverpool to get over the line asap!!

As long as they have technically won it on points, that'll be fine with me!

I think there’s a touch of ostrich-with-head-in-sand thinking here. If it were as simple as an ordinary influenza it would not have come to this notice. It has a higher than usual morbidity and mortality, although most otherwise healthy people will recover.

As for close contact, I’ll give you an example. About 2014 I was at a new year party where one person was visibly very ill, and coughing badly. I wasn’t sitting near him, but passed very close to him for a moment just as he was spraying the contents of his lungs around. Two days later I ended up in hospital with a massive pneumonia which overtook needs within hours, fortunately responding g just as quickly to antibiotics. It doesn’t take a lot of contact for high burden of/particularly virulent pathogens to pass from one individual to the next.

pc7

The Irish guy Ben Kavanagh (in Wuhan, who did the video for Channel 4) was on Newstalk this morning, he's a great personality for chatting about it all, could listen to him all day.

2smiggy

pc7 wrote: »

The Irish guy Ben Kavanagh (in Wuhan, who did the video for Channel 4) was on Newstalk this morning, he's a great personality for chatting about it all, could listen to him all day.

pity I missed him, he is very articulate from what i have seen and heard from him

Ann22

frillyleaf wrote: »

I always wonder why some people are so quick to judge China when there are what could be considered “barbaric” practises happening in our own country. We are just distanced from them as they are behind walls so we can’t see them.

Yes there is cruelty everywhere in the world but little compares to the Yulin Dog Meat festival. The individuals who take part or who stand by and condone are in my opinion, inhuman disgusting and barbaric.

pc7

2smiggy wrote: »

pity I missed him, he is very articulate from what i have seen and heard from him

You should get it on their podcast highlights later.

Ann22

Ann22 wrote: »

Yes there is cruelty everywhere in the world but little compares to the Yulin Dog Meat festival. The individuals who take part or who stand by and condone are in my opinion, inhuman disgusting and barbaric.

I've eaten dog. It's actually pretty nice.

Tacitus Kilgore

Ann22 wrote: »

Yes there is cruelty everywhere in the world but little compares to the Yulin Dog Meat festival. The individuals who take part or who stand by and condone are in my opinion, inhuman disgusting and barbaric.

If it can be farmed it can be eaten, don't let your cultural bias blind you.

Have a go at butchering a cow in Hindu India, see how ye get on.

Deleted User wrote: »

I've eaten dog. It's actually pretty nice.

Same, was better than the beef phở by a long shot.

volchitsa

Ann22 wrote: »

Maybe so but the individuals who take part in the Yulin Dog Meat Festivals or those who stand by and condone are in my opinion, inhuman disgusting and barbaric.

I have a Chinese neighbour who's crazy about her dog, she spends more time thinking and talking about it than she does about her daughter. Now I love dogs, but how does cruelty to dogs make a whole country more barbaric than cruelty to any other sentient being? Have you seen how pigs are treated? They're at least as intelligent as dogs, probably more so. They know when they're being slaughtered. Do you think it's your fault for condoning that?

It's always easy to see what's wrong in other countries, and we're not so critical of our own - or at least we don't think we all deserve the blame for what our compatriots do. So why would the Chinese?

Nijmegen

NIMBYs in South Korea don't want their own citizens repatriated, even to go into quarantine.

In Asan, demonstrators threw eggs and swore when Chin Young, the minister of interior and safety, arrived to talk to them on Thursday, prompting police to hold up black umbrellas as a shield.

“If it’s so safe why don’t you bring them to your home?” one protester shouted at Chin.
The minister said he sympathised with the concerns and sought their understanding, saying the facilities were chosen as the only ones large enough to accommodate the evacuees.

“South Korean citizens in Wuhan are suffering... So we need to bring them in as soon as possible, right?” he said.

The fear of a pandemic drives a lot of the negative behavior beyond the effects of the illness. Once people start turning on one another, panic buying, it can escalate quite quickly, and as we see a glimpse of in South Korea people can (frankly) turn indifferent and then barbaric on one another very quickly. Health workers decide to stay home. Etc etc.

A lot of the control on information and quick movement in China is ultimately about social control as much as illness control.

pc7

Nijmegen wrote: »

Health workers decide to stay home. Etc etc.
.

Never really thought about that, must be so difficult to say goodbye to your family to go to work when this illness seems so infectious, then to go home and risk bringing it back.

Oranage2

pc7 wrote: »

Never really thought about that, must be so difficult to say goodbye to your family to go to work when this illness seems so infectious, then to go home and risk bringing it back.

I wouldn't be surprised if the wife/husband stayed with their parents with the child.

Hector Savage

Eurosport showing interviews with Roger now ... whats going on ?

edit - ok medical timeout ..

cloudatlas

pc7 wrote: »

The Irish guy Ben Kavanagh (in Wuhan, who did the video for Channel 4) was on Newstalk this morning, he's a great personality for chatting about it all, could listen to him all day.

I hope he gets out, I assume there is a window for foreign nations getting people out.

cloudatlas

Amazon are suggesting I buy a dust mask. Wow they care!

Fr_Dougal

cloudatlas wrote: »

Amazon are suggesting I buy a dust mask. Wow they care!

Think all N95 masks are sold out.

wakka12

First confirmed reports of the virus in Phillipines and India this morning. I would imagine India is where the first outbreak of sustained h2h transmission will occur outside china

Wibbs

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Think all N95 masks are sold out.

and they're not so effective because the virus is smaller than the size they filter.

pc7

cloudatlas wrote: »

I hope he gets out, I assume there is a window for foreign nations getting people out.

He said he'll only go for it if he knows its been done property, that he doesn't want to be on a plane with 200 infected people. Has a network of 9 irish in a group, Wuhan 9 they call it. But out of them its likely only himself and one other will leave if its the right thing as others have chinese partners so wont' leave them.

Wibbs

That reminds me... I've a Soviet era NBC gas mask with all the trimmings somewhere. That should work. Might freak out the neighbours mind you..

Jade182

Jade182 wrote: »

Was just watching a live video with their health emergencies director (who is funnily enough, an Irish man) and they said they are having a meeting about that and will announce tomorrow whether they are considering it a global emergency.

I hope they are all rested. Notice how the people at the top arent working through the middle of the night. Not even in the face of a global pandemic

Ger Roe

If it came here, the biggest problem I see is the increased requirement for ICU care. I don't have the exact stats, but several 'experts' have said that the need for ICU type treatment is much higher with this virus than would normally be associated with flu strains.

Could you imagine even requiring one extra ICU bed here, with the trolley crisis we already have?. I bet the HSE are praying to every God they can contact that it stays off this island.

On that basis alone, we should probably send up a few prayers too.

VinLieger

Deleted User wrote: »

I hope they are all rested. Notice how the people at the top arent working through the middle of the night. Not even in the face of a global pandemic

What are you talking about? The WHO and teams of doctors around the world are researching this non stop and already testing vaccines for it.

megatron989

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I hope they are all rested. Notice how the people at the top arent working through the middle of the night. Not even in the face of a global pandemic

I'm sure the WHO are working around the clock on this. Heven forbid one of their spokespeople got a few hours kip.

Rhys Essien

6000 people being held onboard a cruise ship in Italy as two Chinese passengers have a high fever.

https://twitter.com/TgrRai/status/1222813998846042118?s=19

VinLieger

Rhys Essien wrote: »

6000 people being held onboard a cruise ship in Italy as two Chinese passengers have a high fever.

https://twitter.com/TgrRai/status/1222813998846042118?s=19

Yeah a contained space like that is a nightmare scenario, is there details of where they are from or when they joined the cruise?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/melbourne-diners-may-have-been-exposed-to-coronavirus/news-story/cdb74c00e305a881ff6938334dbb3ac1

Two Australians in China have been infected with coronavirus, Health Minister Greg Hunt has confirmed.

Mr Hunt said they are being treated and are not seeking consular assistance at this stage.

They were in Guangdong province, not Hubei province where the majority of cases have been located.

There are only 300 reported cases in Guangdong. That two of them are Aussies may just be unlucky amid a population of 113m.

Or it may hint that there are many more cases going unreported.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/01/two-more-aussie-catch-virus/

Just think about those odds for a minute...........

The WHO are asleep at the wheel and should have done something weeks ago....

VinLieger

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/melbourne-diners-may-have-been-exposed-to-coronavirus/news-story/cdb74c00e305a881ff6938334dbb3ac1



https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/01/two-more-aussie-catch-virus/

Just think about those odds for a minute...........

Ahh so uninformed scaremongering is your goal.... gotcha

B.A._Baracus

Saw a black woman wear a face mask here in Dublin this morning
Guess some people aren't taking any chances! lol.

circadian

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/melbourne-diners-may-have-been-exposed-to-coronavirus/news-story/cdb74c00e305a881ff6938334dbb3ac1



https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/01/two-more-aussie-catch-virus/

Just think about those odds for a minute...........

The WHO are asleep at the wheel and should have done something weeks ago....

I know this is After Hours and all but this is a busy thread and this type of unfounded bulls1ttery isn't helpful in the slightest.

Rhys Essien

Rhys Essien wrote: »

6000 people being held onboard a cruise ship in Italy as two Chinese passengers have a high fever.

https://twitter.com/TgrRai/status/1222813998846042118?s=19

So will they keep them on the ship for a week or two? I can't imagine being stuck on a crowded ship with thousands of people during a virus scare.