new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

CrankyHaus

Deleted User wrote: »

Really don't believe that hand sanitiser or face masks will do much to help anybody.
People tend to get hysterical when these outbreaks happen.
The best thing to do is just keep living your life. If you get sick, let your body fight it off.

Basic hygiene procedures do an enormous amount for all infection, not just this. At the herd level it's one of the most cost-effective methods to control infection. There's a very good reason why hygiene prectices like handwashing, not spitting in public and so on have seperately developed as a hard etiquette in many different cultures.


The problem is filthy dirtbags who ignore hygiene and endanger everyone.

Nijmegen

Wibbs wrote: »

I'll strap on my geiger counter set to sensitive for more potential panic.

Get this audio track and some speakers...

Ipso

Wibbs wrote: »

The hand sanitiser stuff is good in a pinch and is convenient good old fashioned soap and water is actually better. Carbolic for the win.

OK found the gas mask. Though this look will not go down well in the local tesco...

Well la de da, some of us don’t have modern luxuries.

Mefistofelino

Wibbs wrote: »

I'll strap on my geiger counter set to sensitive for more potential panic.

I'd suggest setting it to 3.6 Roentgens. Not great, but not terrible.

Kermit.de.frog

pc7

Ben Kavanagh Q&A if you haven't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vFj5GsBnE He is such a cool dude!

ChikiChiki

cloudatlas wrote: »

Jesus Christ this is all conjecture and tin foil hat stuff. The risk is currently low and everyone I know is out at work, nobody self isolating whilst sitting on a pile of brennan’s bread...

I'd say the risk is probably above low.

Not medium but above low given the rate of infections. Its growing significantly by the day.

pc7

pc7 wrote: »

Ben Kavanagh Q&A if you haven't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vFj5GsBnE He is such a cool dude!

Thats a terrific listen. He's very wise.

"If you worry about it and you get it, then you have suffered twice, so I don't worry about it"

If he thinks his apartment is untidy, he should see mine.

pc7

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thats a terrific listen. He's very wise.

"If you worry about it and you get it, then you have suffered twice, so I don't worry about it"

If he thinks his apartment is untidy, he should see mine.

He really is fantastic, I’d be going off my head in alone like that. Hopefully doing the videos is helping him and giving him something to do.

pc7

pc7 wrote: »

He really is fantastic, I’d be going off my head in alone like that. Hopefully doing the videos is helping him and giving him something to do.

I could handle that fine(home alone for weeks). My annoyances would be similar to his, not being able to go out for food: Considering this is the country that invented chinese takeaway, the food you get out and about is phenon-nomnomnom-enal.

Cooking with only one wok but be an annoyance too - I also love to cook. I have 3 woks.

cloudatlas

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'd say the risk is probably above low.

Not medium but above low given the rate of infections. Its growing significantly by the day.

In the uk according to a professor of epidemiology.

Kermit.de.frog

Deleted User wrote: »

Cooking with only one wok but be an annoyance too - I also love to cook. I have 3 woks.

racist :pac:

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I could handle that fine(home alone for weeks).

Same. Spring festival is usually like that anyway. I'm living in the sticks so I tend to stay in my apartment most of the time that I'm not working.

My annoyances would be similar to his, not being able to go out for food: Considering this is the country that invented chinese takeaway, the food you get out and about is phenon-nomnomnom-enal.

I would imagine there's still some street food going on.. which is one of the reasons I continue to live in Xi'an. Far better than takeaways. And having a freezer, it's easy enough to have hot pot at home.. if you can get some decent spices.

I'd be missing the bars.. Not so much the alcohol, but the socialising and female company.

Cooking with only one wok but be an annoyance too - I also love to cook. I have 3 woks.

I've got two hot plates and a small portable oven. Microwave but I rarely use that. TBH I've a 4 types of frying pans rather than a wok.

pc7

Have we anyone left on the thread still in China?

rossie1977

Social media and online video will ramp up fear in a situation like this

We have numerous posts with prediction models which is further spreading panic. This one doesn't show March but another one I saw does and by March 7th over 7 billion predicted to be infected
https://mobile.twitter.com/KEEMSTAR/status/1222395306102247425/photo/1

highgiant1985

a potential case in Dublin report

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/doctor-tells-high-court-of-potential-coronavirus-case-in-dublin-hospital-978704.html

Call Me Jimmy

Seems test kits having trouble getting in

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-swiss-roche/roche-says-closed-chinese-cities-hinder-virus-diagnostics-test-deliveries-idUSKBN1ZT14L?utm_source=reddit.com

There is a mixture of locals taking things into their own hands as well as official roadblocks /quarantines.

Hotels and other buildings being used to quarantine suspected cases according hubei officials.
I've seen mobs attacking homes of suspected infected, + multiple front doors being boarded up and marked, so it's probably better for public order to send suspected to a hotel rather than home.

Fr_Dougal

highgiant1985 wrote: »

a potential case in Dublin report

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/doctor-tells-high-court-of-potential-coronavirus-case-in-dublin-hospital-978704.html

Linked to a court case, I’d put that in the ‘highly unlikely’ category.

BorneTobyWilde

Why is it named after a beer, Corona , or is that just a coincidence . “corona beer virus” heavily googled according to google data.
Confusing a lot of people it seems.

givyjoe

rossie1977 wrote: »

Social media and online video will ramp up fear in a situation like this

We have numerous posts with prediction models which is further spreading panic. This one doesn't show March but another one I saw does and by March 7th over 7 billion predicted to be infected
https://mobile.twitter.com/KEEMSTAR/status/1222395306102247425/photo/1

7 billion? That's not right. 7 million maybe?

catrat12

Is there many people in quarantine in Ireland who have returned from China and what’s the protocol are they in rooms or hospitals or what’s happening

Call Me Jimmy

catrat12 wrote: »

Is there many people in quarantine in Ireland who have returned from China and what’s the protocol are they in rooms or hospitals or what’s happening

Our people from wuhan apparently quarantining in France (not sure if they've arrived)

rossie1977

givyjoe wrote: »

7 billion? That's not right. 7 million maybe?

No its 7 billion

That one I linked has 57 million predicted to be infected by February 21st.

Fr_Dougal

Looking grim over there.

VinLieger

catrat12 wrote: »

Is there many people in quarantine in Ireland who have returned from China and what’s the protocol are they in rooms or hospitals or what’s happening

No theres nobody in Ireland currently suspected of having the virus

Call Me Jimmy

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Looking grim over there.

That looks better then what it looked a week ago!

Call Me Jimmy

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

There is a mixture of locals taking things into their own hands as well as official roadblocks /quarantines.

Can you be more specific about that? Or is it just the militia stepping in?

I've seen mobs attacking homes of suspected infected,

Where?

The idea of mobs of people increases the chance of being infected yourself. Generally speaking Chinese people aren't that idiotic, although it's certainly possible with the seriously poor and uneducated.

IspeakcozIcan

catrat12 wrote: »

Is there many people in quarantine in Ireland who have returned from China and what’s the protocol are they in rooms or hospitals or what’s happening

In Waterford, there’s student from Wuhan self-isolating for 14 days. He just arrived a few days ago to study in the WIT and is not leaving his room. Not a great way to start off your Erasmus! But obviously has to be done.

givyjoe

rossie1977 wrote: »

No its 7 billion

That one I linked has 57 million predicted to be infected by February 21st.

No way is almost every single person on the planet going to end up infected.

CrankyHaus

givyjoe wrote: »

7 billion? That's not right. 7 million maybe?

That's nothing. I've been crunching numbers and I can state with 96.7% certainty that we'll have 10 Billion cases by April.

thecretinhop

paddys day cud be right in the sweet spot if this thing gets hold

rossie1977

rossie1977 wrote: »

Social media and online video will ramp up fear in a situation like this

We have numerous posts with prediction models which is further spreading panic. This one doesn't show March but another one I saw does and by March 7th over 7 billion predicted to be infected
https://mobile.twitter.com/KEEMSTAR/status/1222395306102247425/photo/1

KEEMSTAR, the King of Youtube ****-stirrers...

circadian

CrankyHaus wrote: »

That's nothing. I've been crunching numbers and I can state with 96.7% certainty that we'll have 10 Billion cases by April.

I wonder how Elon is getting on with his rocket to Mars.

givyjoe

thecretinhop wrote: »

paddys day cud be right in the sweet spot if this thing gets hold

Holiday booked to NYC for that week. If it could hold off til after then, that would be grrrrrrreat.

Duke of Url

CrankyHaus wrote: »

That's nothing. I've been crunching numbers and I can state with 96.7% certainty that we'll have 10 Billion cases by April.

Did you take into consideration the people on the Space Station contracting the virus?

Fr_Dougal

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

That looks better then what it looked a week ago!

Hospital workers in Wuhan are wearing adult diapers because they don't have time to use the bathroom in between treating coronavirus patients, The Washington Post reported last week.

Medical workers are also wearing diapers so they don't have to take off their hazmat suits — those who rip them while taking them off may not get a new one amid supply shortages.

Not quite...

Snow Garden

CrankyHaus wrote: »

That's nothing. I've been crunching numbers and I can state with 96.7% certainty that we'll have 10 Billion cases by April.

Any chance of a graph or bar chart with strong colours? I'd settle for a pie chart.

Call Me Jimmy

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you be more specific about that? Or is it just the militia stepping in?



Where?

The idea of mobs of people increases the chance of being infected yourself. Generally speaking Chinese people aren't that idiotic, although it's certainly possible with the seriously poor and uneducated.

Hmmm didn't necessarily seem like militia, but wouldn't rule it out. A lot of the time it looked like a mixture of locals, manning different levels of 'checkpoint' (concrete walls, mounds of dirt/rocks/ materials). No idea where they are exactly, seems to be all types of locations from rural villages to parts of cities.

Yes the chinese aren't idiotic, but these did seem like a more provincial area or suburb... but this kind of experiment has never been played out on a population. We all suspect that these types of things will take hold in the collective psyche, it's not about whether someone's smart, people can become irrational no matter what kind of degree they have.

IspeakcozIcan

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/disabled-teenager-in-china-dies-at-home-alone-after-relatives-quarantined




God this is really tragic.

Call Me Jimmy

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Not quite...

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BLIZZARD7

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why is it named after a beer, Corona , or is that just a coincidence . “corona beer virus” heavily googled according to google data.
Confusing a lot of people it seems.

It's actually called Ncov-2019 which is a type of coronavirus, a coronavirus is named as such because at the particle level it looks like the corona around the Sun. Corona means halo/crown in Latin.

Mers/SARS etc were all from the Coronavirus family.

CrankyHaus

Snow Garden wrote: »

Any chance of a graph or bar chart with strong colours? I'd settle for a pie chart.

Actually you can expect the sensationalist rumour spreading and fearmongering, and of course profiteering, to go viral as this disease spreads.

Fear sells and if this disease gets big enough everyone from racists to quacks to simple opportunists will want their slice of the pie.

Ann22

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Have a go at butchering a cow in Hindu India, see how ye get on.

It's Islam followers that have an inhumane method of cattle slaughter.
Any form of butchery that requires the animal to be conscious and suffering while being skinned or boiled alive is barbaric.

Tacitus Kilgore

Ann22 wrote: »

It's Islam followers that have an inhumane method of cattle slaughter.
Any form of butchery that requires the animal to be conscious and suffering while being skinned or boiled alive is barbaric.

My point is about culture and perception, you (we in Ireland) think it's barbaric to butcher dogs, but readily butcher cattle and eat beef, same with pigs.

People in India (most of it anyway) think it's barbaric to butcher cattle and eat beef, many will eat pork though.

People in certain parts of asia gladly butcher and eat dogs, cats, cattle, pigs etc.

Ones perception decides what's acceptable or not, and the eating of dogs is acceptable in many parts of china/asia.

Wasn't intended particularly to be a religious post, just one that points out that one mans barbarianism is another man's dinner.

Call Me Jimmy

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Hmmm didn't necessarily seem like militia, but wouldn't rule it out. A lot of the time it looked like a mixture of locals, manning different levels of 'checkpoint' (concrete walls, mounds of dirt/rocks/ materials). No idea where they are exactly, seems to be all types of locations from rural villages to parts of cities.

Yes the chinese aren't idiotic, but these did seem like a more provincial area or suburb... but this kind of experiment has never been played out on a population. We all suspect that these types of things will take hold in the collective psyche, it's not about whether someone's smart, people can become irrational no matter what kind of degree they have.

You see, I've heard nothing of this. Not even a suggestion of it. I've been on contact with Chinese friends and other expats still in country. Many of my students are from the countryside rather than the cities, and I've also been talking with them. No mention of mobs taking authority, or attacking those suspected of being infected.

I have heard of militia's being formed from retired military personnel but they're being led by the military itself or the police to reinforce containment.

Where are you based?

Call Me Jimmy

Deleted User wrote: »

You see, I've heard nothing of this. Not even a suggestion of it. I've been on contact with Chinese friends and other expats still in country. Many of my students are from the countryside rather than the cities, and I've also been talking with them. No mention of mobs taking authority, or attacking those suspected of being infected.

I have heard of militia's being formed from retired military personnel but they're being led by the military itself or the police to reinforce containment.

Where are you based?

Ireland. Have your friends heard of cases of people being barricaded in their homes?

Awesomeness

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you be more specific about that? Or is it just the militia stepping in?



Where?

The idea of mobs of people increases the chance of being infected yourself. Generally speaking Chinese people aren't that idiotic, although it's certainly possible with the seriously poor and uneducated.

Do you think the Chinese are so illness-averse and that it could be contributing to the spread.

I know from my there every time i sneezed they would be suggesting I needed to go to hospital to see a doctor. Just wondering if this could be bringing more people to hospitals that don't have the virus but then getting them infected and adding to the workload of hospital staff

creditcarder

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Hmmm didn't necessarily seem like militia, but wouldn't rule it out. A lot of the time it looked like a mixture of locals, manning different levels of 'checkpoint' (concrete walls, mounds of dirt/rocks/ materials). No idea where they are exactly, seems to be all types of locations from rural villages to parts of cities.

Yes the chinese aren't idiotic, but these did seem like a more provincial area or suburb... but this kind of experiment has never been played out on a population. We all suspect that these types of things will take hold in the collective psyche, it's not about whether someone's smart, people can become irrational no matter what kind of degree they have.

Probably happening tbh. The law is very lax outside of the big cities.

frillyleaf

I wonder what the death toll would be by now if the drastic measures weren’t being made to close down the cities etc.

I still hear people saying “it’s just a cold and only media hype for click bait”!!!

Snow Garden

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Actually you can expect the sensationalist rumour spreading and fearmongering, and of course profiteering, to go viral as this disease spreads.

Fear sells and if this disease gets big enough everyone from racists to quacks to simple opportunists will want their slice of the pie.

Yeah I call it the fear virus.