new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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car_radio19834 wrote: »

The services and housing supply is not enough to cater for all the people currently in the country.

This virus also kicked off just after the world's Billionaires got together over in Davos, and decided there's a major global pollution, housing, and (perhaps) future population increase issue for certain regions. All of which, are very hard to reduce, even across decades.

There is also a need to re-encourage general/regular vax take up (measles and so on), after a global slowdown and growing adverse opinion, even in the 1st world. This could be a good time to boost PR for the jab. The world's richest man is a very keen sponsor of these labs and their various programs. // will get the tin foil now.

frillyleaf

rossie1977 wrote: »

China isn't locking down huge areas of 50+ million people or Russia closing it's 4000 mile border with China due to seasonal flu to be fair.

Yeah this is what I’ve said to people arguing that “ but it is just a cold”

As if they’d go to such measures over a cold or a seasonal flu

givyjoe

car_radio19834 wrote: »

The services and housing supply is not enough to cater for all the people currently in the country.

Oh wonderful, lets naturally cleanse them so. :mad:

ceadaoin.

IspeakcozIcan wrote: »

First human-to-human case now be reported in the US.

This is the spouse of the woman from Chicago so not a huge shock. Its coming up on 2 weeks since these first US cases were diagnosed. I wonder if there will be many more infections,, especially in non close contacts which will be worrying?

wakka12

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30211-7/fulltext
Scarily enough, a study of 99 random people in a hospital(half of whom had contact with the market) in Wuhan found a mortality rate of 11%. Unlike the last survey, only 50% of the patients in the study had an unspecified chronic illness. Which I was surprised to find out is similar to levels found in the general population of many western countries, 60% of Americans have one chronic illness for example, 40% have at least two. I had no idea chronic illness was so common, would have thought 1/3 at most
https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/infographic/chronic-diseases.htm

fritzelly

New strain of coronavirus found in Gansu in 4 patients
Is this a mutation or something completely different...

Edit
could be bad translation using 'a' instead of 'the'

creditcarder

fritzelly wrote: »

New strain of coronavirus found in Gansu in 4 patients
Is this a mutation or something completely different...

Christ. Could be good, could be bad or could be the common cold.



You know, there are rumours that it is an accidently realesed weaponised version. Scary thought, but if I was making it I would have a balanced first version which spreads moderately and puts stress on the body and then have it mutate into someting milder that spreads far, far more easily. Kind of a double tap as the weakend body wouldn't be able to beat the second mutation.



Of course, it's just a strange virus, but I should probably stop reading up on it. :P

thecretinhop

creditcarder wrote: »

Christ. Could be good, could be bad or could be the common cold.



You know, there are rumours that it is an accidently realesed weaponised version. Scary thought, but if I was making it I would have a balanced first version which spreads moderately and puts stress on the body and then have it mutate into someting milder that spreads far, far more easily. Kind of a double tap as the weakend body wouldn't be able to beat the second mutation.



Of course, it's just a strange virus, but I should probably stop reading up on it. :P

I think there is a possibility of this being a lab accident.
It could mutate for good like the ebola one did.

One riddle i have is mrs cretin hop said if it was a weapon they would ( u hope) have an antidote.
Is it possible lab accident happened through the fog of communism only now they are quietly addressing it. Far out stuff but a good a guess as any...

weldoninhio

givyjoe wrote: »

Oh wonderful, lets naturally cleanse them so. :mad:

The planet is overpopulated. We need something like this, or another world war to thin the herd out. Give the planet some breathing space.

CFlat

Ben Kavanagh with the English citizens leaving China this evening. I think they're going to be quarantined in France for a few weeks.

ceadaoin.

fritzelly wrote: »

New strain of coronavirus found in Gansu in 4 patients
Is this a mutation or something completely different...

Does it not just mean that this new strain which is the subject of this thread has been found in those patients? Not some other new strain

ceadaoin.

weldoninhio wrote: »

The planet is overpopulated. We need something like this, or another world war to thin the herd out. Give the planet some breathing space.

Just once its not you or anyone you care about though right?

pc7

CFlat wrote: »

Ben Kavanagh with the English citizens leaving China this evening. I think they're going to be quarantined in France for a few weeks.

Ah that’s good to hear, hopefully he’ll be on the late late in two weeks

thecretinhop

pc7 wrote: »

Ah that’s good to hear, hopefully he’ll be on the late late in two weeks

Turgity interviewing him in hazmat suit

NewMan1982

CFlat wrote: »

Ben Kavanagh with the English citizens leaving China this evening. I think they're going to be quarantined in France for a few weeks.

So much for him not being scared.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqI4uDqlByc

creditcarder

weldoninhio wrote: »

The planet is overpopulated. We need something like this, or another world war to thin the herd out. Give the planet some breathing space.

True, but do you think Bill Gates or the Bezos guy will take one for the team?

ceadaoin.

creditcarder wrote: »

True, but do you think Bill Gates or the Bezos guy will take one for the team?

Will they ****. Probably stocking up their purified air filled luxury bunkers as we speak.

Maybe it's time for me to pull the trigger and buy this place. You can live the 50s american dream underground whilst not dying. It even has a stripper pole. Price seems a bit high though lol

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3970-Spencer-St-Las-Vegas-NV-89119/7092102_zpid/

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circadian

NewMan1982 wrote: »

So much for him not being scared.

He had said previously he'd evacuate if he agreed with the procedure. The main condition he wanted was that he would be quarantined along with all other passengers at the end destination.

So aye, you go ahead and begrudge because begrudgers gotta begrudge.

CFlat

NewMan1982 wrote: »

So much for him not being scared.

I didn't hear that but I did hear him interviewed this morning and he said that his family wanted him home or something to that affect. I'd also say the Irish Embassy encouraged him to take that lift home.

creditcarder

CFlat wrote: »

I didn't hear that but I did hear him interviewed this morning and he said that his family wanted him home or something to that affect. I'd also say the Irish Embassy said also encouraged him to take that lift.

Man, I don't blame him. Getting it in the west with a lower poppulatin density, more well managed hospitals and a different attitude towards life is one thing*, getting it there is a whole other ball game.

*As an example, it wouldn't suprise me if they let the patients die rather than put the trained doctors at risk if things get bad. It sounds awful, but there is definetly the needs of the many vs the few in China.

kowloon

China getting praised for their action, yet I've seen people claiming they sat on it until they couldn't control the news.
Contagion reappearing in the download charts (best synopsis I've heard is Outbreak, but with Gwyneth Paltrow as the infected monkey).

circadian

kowloon wrote: »

China getting praised for their action, yet I've seen people claiming they sat on it until they couldn't control the news.
Contagion reappearing in the download charts (best synopsis I've heard is Outbreak, but with Gwyneth Paltrow as the infected monkey).

Well, it wouldn't surprise me if Paltrow was responsible for an outbreak or similar wth her quackery products.

NewMan1982

circadian wrote: »

He had said previously he'd evacuate if he agreed with the procedure. The main condition he wanted was that he would be quarantined along with all other passengers at the end destination.

So aye, you go ahead and begrudge because begrudgers gotta begrudge.

What am I begrudging?

Pauliedragon

I thought the current affairs forum was created to keep current affairs out of AH.
Anyway there is a lot of hysterical stuff going on with this virus. My neighbour told her 16 year old niece it's a "worse version of ebola". Relax people your eyes won't be bleeding anytime soon.

Fr_Dougal

It will be interesting to see how the real figures are tonight, projections are 11,090 infections and 229 deaths.

pc7

WHO just said it’s a PHEIC — a Public Health Emergency of International Concern.

tom1ie

Who are praising china’s reaction to this. If this virus gets into somewhere like India things could go downhill rapidly.

NewMan1982

BBC saying it’s declared global health emergency. Where does that rank on their scale?

givyjoe

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Just once its not you or anyone you care about though right?

Utterly moronic callous statements. I'm sure they're joking though.

pc7

tom1ie wrote: »

Who are praising china’s reaction to this. If this virus gets into somewhere like India things could go downhill rapidly.

I ‘think’ they all keep praising China so as to get whatever info out of them they can! In fairness whether it was too late or not at least they did try contain it (maybe too late).

Blaze420

Nobody should be praising China because if they are doing anything, it’s suppressing the true figures of the infection rate. They are probably many times over the “official” figure they are telling the international community.

wakka12

WHO chief says coronavirus has "escalated into an unprecedented outbreak"

Though I wouldnt say its a massive panic just because its been declared a PHEIC. Ebola was also considered the same but there was never really any chance of it spreading beyond sub saharan africa

tom1ie

Blaze420 wrote: »

Nobody should be praising China because if they are doing anything, it’s suppressing the true figures of the infection rate. They are probably many times over the “official” figure they are telling the international community.

How the fcuk do you know this? Your talking ****e.

wakka12

NewMan1982 wrote: »

BBC saying it’s declared global health emergency. Where does that rank on their scale?

The highest level of alert for an infectious disease.

Call Me Jimmy

tom1ie wrote: »

How the fcuk do you know this? Your talking ****e.

Sounds like you have no basis for what you're saying, and you're accusing him of talking ****e?
What sources are you going off, simply the CCP?

Kermit.de.frog

Good vid on the stages of the viral infection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xotNiLJDT-c

Blaze420

tom1ie wrote: »

How the fcuk do you know this? Your talking ****e.

Believe what you want, a regime like China are the last ones I would trust to tell anything near resembling the truth.

tom1ie

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Sounds like you have no basis for what you're saying, and you're accusing him of talking ****e?
What sources are you going off, simply the CCP?

What?
I’m saying the who say china’s figures check out. How can that poster or anyone else prove otherwise?

Snow Garden

Blaze420 wrote: »

Believe what you want, a regime like China are the last ones I would trust to tell anything near resembling the truth.

You may have a very old and invalid perception of China. Many in the west do.
It may have changed a lot since the you were last there.

yosser hughes

Snow Garden wrote: »

You may have a very old and invalid perception of China. Many in the west do.
It may have changed a lot since the you were last there.

when was the last election there?

Duke of Url

Blaze420 wrote: »

Believe what you want, a regime like China are the last ones I would trust to tell anything near resembling the truth.

So how many confirmed cases are there taking into consideration the confirm cases are made within a hospital?

tom1ie

yosser hughes wrote: »

when was the last election there?

Look, numbers may have been suppressed, the who director general says we should be grateful for china’s reaction to this.
I’m more inclined to listen to the who director general than some know it all on boards.

fritzelly

tom1ie wrote: »

Who are praising china’s reaction to this. If this virus gets into somewhere like India things could go downhill rapidly.

Its already in India

Snow Garden

yosser hughes wrote: »

when was the last election there?

What's your point in the terms of government efficiency and transparency?

The last election in Ireland was 2016 and we got a government that wasted billions of taxpayer funds on badly run projects while the national debt grew to record levels. Many of the government TDs engaged in corruption and insurance/expense fraud.

The governments of the early 2000s were also hugely corrupt and bankrupted the country. They told us there would be a soft landing.

tom1ie

fritzelly wrote: »

Its already in India

Yeah hopefully it doesn’t go person to person there and hopefully the poor soul who has it is in isolation at the minute.

GooglePlus

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Sounds like you have no basis for what you're saying, and you're accusing him of talking ****e?
What sources are you going off, simply the CCP?

It's laughable to think that something of this scale can be kept under wraps and false figures given in the age of social media.

There are multiple sources on the ground providing figures, with a lot of them neutral parties.

People love the idea of conspiracy. Maybe it makes their lives that bit more interesting to imagine a doomsday James Bond secenario but the harsh reality is that things are usually as black and white as they are portrayed.

Yes, your life is just boring.

thecretinhop

https://youtu.be/rwXPeIwV_q4

live chat at 11pm from adv. like them or not they have some salient views having lived in china and married to native chinese women

Call Me Jimmy

GooglePlus wrote: »

It's laughable to think that something of this scale can be kept under wraps and false figures given in the age of social media.

There are multiple sources on the ground providing figures, with a lot of them neutral parties.

People love the idea of conspiracy. Maybe it makes their lives that bit more interesting to imagine a doomsday James Bond secenario but the harsh reality is that things are usually as black and white as they are portrayed.

Yes, your life is just boring.

No not false figures as in lying about the figures that have recorded, just taking actions that cause those cases not to be recorded as quickly as they could be.

So the beginning of the outbreak was suppressed, they are the most opaque regime in modern times (after North Korea) but now the default position is to accept their numbers? OnLy ConSpIrAcY LoSeRs QueStioN Communist PartY oF China? wtf

Duke of Url

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

No not false figures as in lying about the figures that have recorded, just taking actions that cause those cases not to be recorded as quickly as they could be.

So the beginning of the outbreak was suppressed, they are the most opaque regime in modern times (after North Korea) but now the default position is to accept their numbers? OnLy ConSpIrAcY LoSeRs QueStioN Communist PartY oF China? wtf

What actions have they taken that cause those cases not to be recorded as quickly as they could be.?