new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

saabsaab

Cody montana wrote: »

Prepared for what?
There are zero cases.

Zero known cases as of now. I hope I am wrong but it is unlikely to stay so.

_Whimsical_

Yikes!
Dr on the radio who is in charge of Irelands infectious disease specialist unit in the Mater on the radio right now. He said the plan is that patients with the illness be treated in their local hospital,not a national centre equipped to deal with a highly infectious illness of consequence. He said that the infectious disease specialists were not consulted on this and do not agree with this as best practise. UK are using a dedicated national centre which is best practise.
He also said the patient taken off the plane last night did not come to the national centre in the Mater hospital,which he also didn't agree with. He doesn't know where they went.

He also basically said that communication on what will happen with someone who is infected is completely inadequate at the moment.

He thought that people from the plane should not have been quarantined.

saabsaab

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Yikes!
Dr on the radio who is in charge of Irelands infectious disease specialist unit in the Mater on the radio right now. He said the plan is that patients with the illness be treated in their local hospital,not a national centre equipped to deal with a highly infectious illness of consequence. He said that the infectious disease specialists were not consulted on this and do not agree with this as best practise. UK are using a dedicated national centre which is best practise.
He also said the patient taken off the plane last night did not come to the national centre in the Mater hospital,which he also didn't agree with. He doesn't know where they went.

He also basically said that communication on what will happen with someone who is infected is completely inadequate at the moment.

He thought that people from the plane should not have been quarantined.

That response is incredible! Recipe for disaster here.

Cody montana

saabsaab wrote: »

Multi agency, can't be just the hospital of course. They would need to get a list of potential flights from transport agencies and follow up on those potentially affected.



The best approach would be to quarantine or ban flights to begin with.


If someone says they don't have staffing will they ahve staffing if/when the virus takes off here?

The logistics of that would be almost impossible.
The window would be less that 24 hours.
Ban what flights?

odyssey06

Cody montana wrote: »

Prepared for what?
There are zero cases.

Something something stable door...

Cody montana

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

So lets not prepare then?

What do you want them to prepare for though?

givyjoe

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Yikes!
Dr on the radio who is in charge of Irelands infectious disease specialist unit in the Mater on the radio right now. He said the plan is that patients with the illness be treated in their local hospital,not a national centre equipped to deal with a highly infectious illness of consequence. He said that the infectious disease specialists were not consulted on this and do not agree with this as best practise. UK are using a dedicated national centre which is best practise.
He also said the patient taken off the plane last night did not come to the national centre in the Mater hospital,which he also didn't agree with. He doesn't know where they went.

He also basically said that communication on what will happen with someone who is infected is completely inadequate at the moment.

He thought that people from the plane should not have been quarantined.

Astonishing incompetence. I don't get the logic for not quarantining folks til they tested him. What if this guy DOES in fact have it and they have sent a plane load of potentially affected people off on their way.

givyjoe

givyjoe wrote: »

Astonishing incompetence. I don't get the logic for not quarantining folks til they tested him. What if this guy DOES in fact have it and they have sent a plane load of potentially affected people off on their way.

How do they think people from the airport get to their next destination? Some taxi it, some bus it and some are picked up by relatives. That’s a lot of people that the passengers will come in contact with getting from a to b.

I would have hoped that the contingency plans would have discussed the scenario that has happened last night and that the passengers would have been transported to their locations by private, controlled transfer.

Don’t think that happened though.

People don't just become infectious after spending time with a sick person. You need to get sick yourself first.

creditcarder

I wonder what's going on in the rest of the world? We've been hammered with Greta, that Australian fire, Brexit and now this virus?

Is there anything that is being hidden I wonder? Maybe a bit conspiracy.

givyjoe

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

How do they think people from the airport get to their next destination? Some taxi it, some bus it and some are picked up by relatives. That’s a lot of people that the passengers will come in contact with getting from a to b.

I would have hoped that the contingency plans would have discussed the scenario that has happened last night and that the passengers would have been transported to their locations by private, controlled transfer.

Don’t think that happened though.

They'll probably do it tomorrow! Can't be dealing with this stuff over the weekend.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People don't just become infectious after spending time with a sick person. You need to get sick yourself first.

I don’t understand. I thought some people with the virus were not showing symptoms.

Btw, the woman who was on the plane and posted the notice is very sick. She’s receiving cancer treatment in Russia.

whatever99

The shocking display of incompetence and lack of any proper plan is not surprising, and is exactly why no one has any faith that if/when the coronavirus comes to Ireland that the HSE will be able to deal with it.

Holly13

[Deleted User] wrote: »

ok. What is the benefit of promoting the belief that the virus was released from a covert bio-weapons lab?

And I have no problem with you speculating about it, but the claims of this being a bio-weapons lab haven't been allowed to die down. Posters aren't coming into the thread, discussing it and then leaving it at that. Instead, they're posting it, again and again. Personally, i find it annoying, and one of the reasons there is a conspiracy forum separate from this forum for these kind of things.

(although I suspect the lack of traffic in the conspiracy theory forum is the reason why it keeps being reintroduced into this thread)

I don’t believe this virus is a bio-weapon. However I do believe it could be a lab virus that got out. You don’t have to be a conspiracy theory loon to think that the idea of a worker in a virus research lab accidentally getting contaminated is a possible explanation for this outbreak. Accidents happen, as as technology advances, the consequences of such accidents will be more severe

jam_mac_jam

Cody montana wrote: »

What do you want them to prepare for though?

Containment and prevention of the virus. Fairly obvious i would have thought

FishOnABike

Cody montana wrote: »

The logistics of that would be almost impossible.
The window would be less that 24 hours.
Ban what flights?

There are only about three direct flights between China and Ireland, probably less at this time of year. That would be no more than a handful of flights per week.

For passengers arriving via multi leg flights (like yesterday's Moscow flight) you need to rely on each airport in each previous leg to effectively screen passengers, or have stopped direct flights from affected areas.

PhantomHat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People don't just become infectious after spending time with a sick person. You need to get sick yourself first.

I don't believe that is accurate. Apparently this disease is transmisable in the incubation phase

Cody montana

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Containment and prevention of the virus. Fairly obvious i would have thought

We have had ZERO cases.
You can’t try to contain something that’s not there.

PhantomHat

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Yikes!
Dr on the radio who is in charge of Irelands infectious disease specialist unit in the Mater on the radio right now. He said the plan is that patients with the illness be treated in their local hospital,not a national centre equipped to deal with a highly infectious illness of consequence. He said that the infectious disease specialists were not consulted on this and do not agree with this as best practise. UK are using a dedicated national centre which is best practise.
He also said the patient taken off the plane last night did not come to the national centre in the Mater hospital,which he also didn't agree with. He doesn't know where they went.

He also basically said that communication on what will happen with someone who is infected is completely inadequate at the moment.

He thought that people from the plane should not have been quarantined.

What station or show was this on? Thanks

This is it

Cody montana wrote: »

We have had ZERO cases.
You can’t try to contain something that’s not there.

No but you can have proper plans in place. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

Cody montana

FishOnABike wrote: »

There are only about three direct flights between China and Ireland, probably less at this time of year. That would be no more than a handful of flights per week.

For passengers arriving via multi leg flights (like yesterday's Moscow flight) you need to rely on each airport in each previous leg to effectively screen passengers, or have stopped direct flights from affected areas.

You can be a host and not show symptoms.
Screening is going to do nothing.

PhantomHat

PhantomHat wrote: »

I don't believe that is accurate. Apparently this disease is transmisable in the incubation phase

I was referring to directly after the flight.. The buses and taxis thing.

theoneeyedman

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I don’t understand. I thought some people with the virus were not showing symptoms.

Btw, the woman who was on the plane and posted the notice is very sick. She’s receiving cancer treatment in Russia.

I saw that post from that lady last night (my wife knows her) and to be honest, hysterical nonsense.
Now first of all, I have some sympathy for her, she is having a hard time, and is (medically) very vulnerable, but that type on panicked post is plain silly : for instance "Moscow is very close to China" - er, no its not!

Proper precautions should be taken of course, but some of the crap here and in the media is more fueled by racism than by genuine health concerns.

PhantomHat

Cody montana wrote: »

We have had ZERO cases.
You can’t try to contain something that’s not there.

I think the best course for this country is to be proactive and prepared rather than be reactive if or when it occurs.
Unfortunately our health system although modern sometimes does not meet our needs I.e. frequent A/E congestion during the flu season

This is it

No mention on RTE lunch time news with regards to last night's flight from Moscow to Dublin.

jam_mac_jam

Cody montana wrote: »

We have had ZERO cases.
You can’t try to contain something that’s not there.

Jesus. No but you prepare for it. That's what we are talking about. That's what the conversation above was about.

What is your point don't prepare untill we get one.

imfml

PhantomHat wrote: »

What station or show was this on? Thanks

Brendan O'Connor on RTE Radio 1, discussion was just after the 12 o'clock news if looking for it on playback

_Whimsical_

PhantomHat wrote: »

What station or show was this on? Thanks

It was on RTE on the Brendan O'CONNOR show. The Dr was Professor Jack Lambert who heads the infectious disease centre in the Mater.

thecretinhop

This is it wrote: »

No mention on RTE lunch time news with regards to last night's flight from Moscow to Dublin.

unreal

Cody montana

PhantomHat wrote: »

I think the best course for this country is to be proactive and prepared rather than be reactive if or when it occurs.
Unfortunately our health system although modern sometimes does not meet our needs I.e. frequent A/E congestion during the flu season

This level of paranoia reminds me of the Ebola outbreak.

We have had zero cases, zero!
If someone is tested positive, then the get isolated.
It’s straightforward enough.

Duke of Url

This is it wrote: »

No mention on RTE lunch time news with regards to last night's flight from Moscow to Dublin.

That would you want RTE to say?

Rashers Big Log

I’m putting out an SOS to Beasty, Steve, Axwell or even Niamh@boards.ie to come in and clean up this mess of a thread. The ban hammers need to be coming down thick band fast at this point

ongarite

Cody montana wrote: »

This level of paranoia reminds me of the Ebola outbreak.

We have had zero cases, zero!
If someone is tested positive, then the get isolated.
It’s straightforward enough.

The media have people whipped into a frenzy. This is nothing but a strain of flu that no vaccine is available for yet unlike the regular flu shot available ever winter in Ireland. If you are an at risk person due to existing health issues then take some precautions if traveling near China.

I'm in Singapore right now and you would hardly know this is a thing and this is a country at China's doorstep and massive transportation hub.

thecretinhop

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

I’m putting out an SOS to Beasty, Steve, Axwell or even Niamh@boards.ie to come in and clean up this mess of a thread. The ban hammers need to be coming down thick band fast at this point

hows de fishing boat and rats?

zell12

Duke of Url wrote: »

That would you want RTE to say?

It's been on Newstalk radio bulletins all morning
https://www.newstalk.com/news/man-escorted-flight-dublin-airport-showing-signs-coronavirus-960494

Ok someone that knows please run me through the steps.

Person A has Coronavirus and is displaying symptoms of coughing. They are in close proximity for 5 hours of Person B, C & D

Person B currently is undergoing treatment that leaves their immune system compromised.

Person C has no medical conditions that they are aware of.

Person D is 70 years old, gets the flu jab annually but apart from arthritis and similar conditions relating to their age, they are in good health.

Does Person A with Coronavirus have the ability to infect any of the other 3 within that 5hour window? If so, who and why?

This is it

Duke of Url wrote: »

That would you want RTE to say?

I want them to report national news.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/passenger-on-moscow-dublin-flight-is-tested-for-coronavirus-1.4159243%3fmode=amp

"Spokeswomen for the HSE and the Department of Health would not confirm any details relating to the incident. In a statement released on Saturday night, the Department of Health said that as of February 1st, there were no confirmed cases in Ireland. It said it wouldn’t comment or confirm suspected cases or whether response plans to suspected cases had been activated."

zell12

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Ok someone that knows please run me through the steps. Person A has Coronavirus and is displaying symptoms of coughing. They are in close proximity for 5 hours of Person B, C & D........

Spread like other respiratory illness like common cold or flu
sneezing or coughing, which disperses droplets of body fluids such as saliva or mucus. coughs and sneezes can travel several feet and stay suspended in the air for up to 10 minutes.
droplets can come into direct contact with other people, or can infect those who pick them up by touching surfaces on which the infected droplets land, or touching a surface and then their face.

Duke of Url

zell12 wrote: »

It's been on Newstalk radio bulletins all morning
https://www.newstalk.com/news/man-escorted-flight-dublin-airport-showing-signs-coronavirus-960494

Maybe RTE are waiting for Medical experts to confirm instead of speculating.

I wonder will headlines be changed to

MAN REMOVED FROM PLANE AFTER CONTRACTING COMMON FLU.

I doubt they will.

purple hands

Do I go out and buy all the bread yet or wha?

zell12

Duke of Url wrote: »

Maybe RTE are waiting for Medical experts to confirm instead of speculating.
I wonder will headlines be changed to
MAN REMOVED FROM PLANE AFTER CONTRACTING COMMON FLU.
I doubt they will.

UK, French, US, Canadian media reported suspected cases in their countries

gozunda

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Not everyone who posits a particular theory or speculative opinion on something, is necessarily saying that they believe that theory!
...

As regards my username (which I thought up in 10 seconds while registering)... how the hell does that have any relevance to my points? It's just a stupid username ffs! :P Perhaps your username has some deeper resonance... I can assure you, mine certainly does not!

Hehe - probably best just ignore it tbh. Definitly a small cabal who reckon that anyone who takes the kids name etc in vein are deniers and guilty of a whole host of virtual crimes. And I'm not kidding. Traditional lynch mobs wouldnt have a look in

creditcarder

I don't believe that is accurate. Apparently this disease is transmisable in the incubation phase'

Sure, but if your not coughing, sneezing or sniffing it is less transferable.

1641

The real scandal of this outbreak is the dishonest and incompetent way the Chinese authorities handled it from the outset. Unfortunately the stupid conspiracy theories only distract from this.

There is every chance it could have been reasonably contained if they had responded to the early warnings of the disease. At this stage it is hard to put much credence on the information they are putting out about incidence, spread, mortality, etc. Shocking article here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html

Rashers Big Log

thecretinhop wrote: »

hows de fishing boat and rats?

That was actually an extremely stressful experience. I certainly wouldn’t mock someone riding out Storm Brendan on a boat off the Irish coast.

Thanks for asking though

givyjoe

Cody montana wrote: »

This level of paranoia reminds me of the Ebola outbreak.

We have had zero cases, zero!
If someone is tested positive, then the get isolated.
It’s straightforward enough.

Are you just not reading whats going on or what? You do realise some people are contagious BEFORE they show symptoms.

So with that fact known, how the plane incident last was managed is utterly wreckless.

An extra week off work for me. Hanoi, along with HCM earlier, have said all schools and centers must be closed. Thankfully some sense.

Cody montana

ongarite wrote: »

The media have people whipped into a frenzy. This is nothing but a strain a flu that no vaccine is available for yet unlike the regular flu shot available ever winter in Ireland. If you are an at risk person due to existing health issues then take some precautions if traveling near the China.

I'm in Singapore right now and you would hardly know this is a thing and this is a country at China's doorstep and massive transportation hub.

Can you imagine a whole plane of people being isolated because someone is suspected of having the flu?

How many people die due to the flu each year?

babybuilder

Cody montana wrote: »

This level of paranoia reminds me of the Ebola outbreak.

We have had zero cases, zero!
If someone is tested positive, then the get isolated.
It’s straightforward enough.

How do you know they tested anyone

Fr_Dougal

Cody montana wrote: »

This level of paranoia reminds me of the Ebola outbreak.

We have had zero cases, zero!
If someone is tested positive, then the get isolated.
It’s straightforward enough.