new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

car_radio19834

Yurt! wrote: »

How about you hop on a plane and do some emigrating instead of wishing financial hardship on people?

I hear there's some English teaching openings in Wuhan that have come available.

If my loved ones weren't in Ireland I'd have been gone long ago. I was much happier living in Ireland years ago when I was on ****e money.

car_radio19834

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Lol, get a grip. if you think Ireland is crowded you've obviously never been anywhere that isnt Ireland.

Maybe hop on a train from Connolly after work and come back to me.

Yurt2

car_radio19834 wrote: »

If my loved ones weren't in Ireland I'd have been gone long ago. I was much happier living in Ireland years ago when I was on ****e money.

You're way off topic. Perhaps it's the personal issues forum you're looking for.

Somedaythefire

daheff wrote: »

These rates are all well and good....but what % of general population end up getting infected (and ultimately what % of general population end up dead) from the virus. This Wuhan virus seems to be much more contagious than the others.... possibly even more so than seasonal flu??

It’s about the same as SARS. They are from the same family after all.

Yurt2

Somedaythefire wrote: »

It’s about the same as SARS. They are from the same family after all.

The mortality rate of SARS was 1 in 10 I think I recall. This is a less deadly virus if figures are to be believed.

Kermit.de.frog

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

From what I'm reading the passengers were sent home and told to stay off work only if they show symptoms...I mean shouldn't they all be quarantined. It spreads before symptoms..zero faith in HSE

Like the one player who lets the whole team down

https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1224012099518529538

https://twitter.com/Postsubman/status/1224012244972920832

Somedaythefire

Yurt! wrote: »

The mortality rate of SARS was 1 in 10 I think I recall. This is a less deadly virus if figures are to be believed.

Yup. I’m talking about transmission though. Quite similar projected r0 figures.

car_radio19834

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Good website showing the status of infections etc.

It's only just under doubled since about 5 days ago.

daheff

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Yup. I’m talking about transmission though. Quite similar projected r0 figures.

But it's not though? SARS peaked at something like 9k infections.....Wuhan is 14k+ and counting.....or am I missing something??

Ipso

car_radio19834 wrote: »

As I have said previously, I'm hoping for a recession. Need some emigration to empty out the country so its livable again.

Ooh, you’re So edgy. They must live you on reddit.

ceadaoin.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Like the one player who lets the whole team down

https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1224012099518529538

https://twitter.com/Postsubman/status/1224012244972920832

There isnt certainty that it does spread before symptoms. It turns out that the woman who infected several colleagues in Germany was actually symptomatic and was taking fever reducing medicine at the time of her trip. Not sure why she would lie about that but it seems she did.

Having said that, I dont think you can trust people to self isolate even when they start showing symptoms. I imagine it's easy to convince yourself its just a cold and nothing to worry about and go about your normal life

car_radio19834

Ipso wrote: »

Ooh, you’re So edgy. They must live you on reddit.

???

car_radio19834

car_radio19834 wrote: »

If my loved ones weren't in Ireland I'd have been gone long ago. I was much happier living in Ireland years ago when I was on ****e money.

I find it hard to believe there's any love in the life of a man who is disappointed people aren't dying fast enough to cause a recession to drive house prices down.

macapaca

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Yup. I’m talking about transmission though. Quite similar projected r0 figures.

Corona virus is not r0 though. More like r2.x

Other differences with Corona compared with SARS is that SARS was transmitted only person did show symptoms. This particular strain of the Corona virus is infectious to others during the patient incubation period prior to them having any symptoms.

car_radio19834

Deleted User wrote: »

I find it hard to believe there's any love in the life of a man who is disappointed people aren't dying fast enough to cause a recession to drive house prices down.

Huh?

Who said anything about people dying? I'm just hoping the impact is enough that it causes companies and countries to close borders meaning economic output will suffer.

Again, never mentioned anything about house prices. I said services.

saabsaab

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

From what I'm reading the passengers were sent home and told to stay off work only if they show symptoms...I mean shouldn't they all be quarantined. It spreads before symptoms..zero faith in HSE

If true that is crazy at this stage. I'd say we will get a positive case here within 7 days at this rate.


I hope I'm wrong.

macapaca

hhhhmmmm .. RTE electing not to mention anything about the suspected patient taken off the plane from Moscow last night.

Yurt2

car_radio19834 wrote: »

Huh?

Who said anything about people dying? I'm just hoping the impact is enough that it causes companies and countries to close borders meaning economic output will suffer.

Again, never mentioned anything about house prices. I said services.

Are you high? You're hoping for a pandemic in East-Asia to solve your quality of life problems. Put down the crack pipe Timmy.

igCorcaigh

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Yup. I’m talking about transmission though. Quite similar projected r0 figures.

Worth remembering too that R0 is not an intrinsic quality of the virus itself, but is also influenced by external factors.

This virus has spread far more than SARS.

creditcarder

wakka12 wrote: »

But people do sneeze and cough even if theyre not sick. Clearing your throat, nose irritation , hay fever. Also I'm sure all bodily liquid is infectious then , for example asymptomatic carriers sweating and using shared gym equipment are a danger then etc

Wait, sweat carries viruses? :P

monty_python

ongarite wrote: »

I'm in Singapore right now and you would hardly know this is a thing and this is a country at China's doorstep and massive transportation hub.

No it's not. Youve got about 3 countries to pass before getting to China. It must be over 1000 miles. You need to look at a map

ChikiChiki

Cody montana wrote: »

What do you want them to prepare for though?

Is that you Simon Harris?

saabsaab

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Is that you Simon Harris?

Probably a troll

monty_python

monty_python wrote: »

No it's not. Youve got about 3 countries to pass before getting to China. It must be over 1000 miles. You need to look at a map

As far as viruses go, it's arguably closer to China than Hanoi or Ulan Bator.

catrat12

We are too laid back as a country

ChikiChiki

ongarite wrote: »

The media have people whipped into a frenzy. This is nothing but a strain of flu that no vaccine is available for yet unlike the regular flu shot available ever winter in Ireland. If you are an at risk person due to existing health issues then take some precautions if traveling near China.

I'm in Singapore right now and you would hardly know this is a thing and this is a country at China's doorstep and massive transportation hub.

This is different. Much more severe by all metrics. Dismiss it as being a hyped up "frenzy" at your peril.

Oranage2

I'm surprised Indonesia doesn't have more cases, they've visa free policy for Chinese passports.

catrat12

I’m panicking and really considering buying canned foods

fritzelly

Nice little graph here showing how it compares to other viruses

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/asia/china-coronavirus-contain.html


edit to remove image - it's not just an image but check the link above

Mervyn Skidmore

catrat12 wrote: »

I’m panicking and really considering buying canned foods

Bought a 4 pack of beans today myself.

tuxy

Graph is pointless without log scale

Del.Monte

catrat12 wrote: »

I’m panicking and really considering buying canned foods

No need to panic but just don't put too much faith in the clueless authorities to do much for you in the event that things go badly.

sdanseo

Was out at the shops just now and decided to have a look in B&Q.

All the shelves normally containing face masks, respirators, dust masks are completely empty; except for the most basic FFP1s which are essentially useless for this kind of thing.

marvin80

catrat12 wrote: »

I’m panicking and really considering buying canned foods

This is exactly what we all need to do right now - panic and start stockpiling.

2xj3hplqgsbkym

I cannot figure out the maths on this. So on 20th January , apparently there were 200 people confirmed with the virus in Wuhan , so less than .0001 % of the population. Yet at least 16 people flew out of Wuhan with the virus and contaminated other countries ? statistics are certainly not my strong point but I cannot figure out how the number leaving the country with the virus is so high?

igCorcaigh

Caroline Broad Glob wrote: »

I cannot figure out the maths on this. So on 20th January , apparently there were 200 people confirmed with the virus in Wuhan , so less than .0001 % of the population. Yet at least 16 people flew out of Wuhan with the virus and contaminated other countries ? statistics are certainly not my strong point but I cannot figure out how the number leaving the country with the virus is so high?

That's how some people conclude that the number of infections must be a lot higher than the official figures, mostly mild or asymptomatic cases.

car_radio19834

From Friday to Saturday there were 3k infections. From yesterday to today there's only 200.

Looks like this will be finished soon.

catrat12

catrat12 wrote: »

I’m panicking and really considering buying canned foods

4068ac1elhodqr

car_radio19834 wrote: »

From Friday to Saturday there were 3k infections. From yesterday to today there's only 200.
Looks like this will be finished soon.

Incorrecto:

fritzelly

car_radio19834 wrote: »

From Friday to Saturday there were 3k infections. From yesterday to today there's only 200.

Looks like this will be finished soon.

And in 2018 a staggering 154 people died from flu in China, a country where they don't even bother getting a vaccine shot...believe their numbers all you want

Something...no test kits...something...people turned away from hospitals...

Del.Monte

car_radio19834 wrote: »

From Friday to Saturday there were 3k infections. From yesterday to today there's only 200.

Looks like this will be finished soon.

And this year's prize for complacency goes to...

bb12

china only release their daily figures around 10-11pm our time

igCorcaigh

car_radio19834 wrote: »

From Friday to Saturday there were 3k infections. From yesterday to today there's only 200.

Looks like this will be finished soon.

All positive cases have to be confirmed by a second test at national level. The lab is busy.

Muir

car_radio19834 wrote: »

From Friday to Saturday there were 3k infections. From yesterday to today there's only 200.

Looks like this will be finished soon.

Today's figures from China will start being released from about 10pm onwards.

macapaca

bb12 wrote: »

china only release their daily figures around 10-11pm our time

.....not that their numbers are anyway believable of course.

China on record tho' asking for help from EU in providing medical supplies...which is kind of odd if at that stage they had less than 10,000 people infected.

bilston

car_radio19834 wrote: »

From Friday to Saturday there were 3k infections. From yesterday to today there's only 200.

Looks like this will be finished soon.

Sadly those figures are wrong.

It was more like a 2,500 increase from yesterday to today

Realt Dearg Sec

catrat12 wrote: »

I’m panicking and really considering buying canned foods

Why, do they cure it?

imfml

When can we expect to know if the passenger who traveled from Moscow is positive or negative? Fingers crossed we dodge this potential bullet.

Prominent_Dawg

Should we be wary of Chinese tourists?

igCorcaigh

imfml wrote: »

When can we expect to know if the passenger who traveled from Moscow is positive or negative? Fingers crossed we dodge this potential bullet.

Either way, I think it's inevitable that we will see cases here. The longer the delay, the better.