new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Smiles35

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Why, do they cure it?

You leave them under the feet of people coming at you coughing. You can also talk to the people by setting up a can phone with some string after you've finished some beans.

car_radio19834

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Incorrecto:

Where is that rom?

This website says different.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

fritzelly

20 French evacuated from China all showing flu symptons - see how this plays out with the other evacuees

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1224059468897538049?s=21

fritzelly

car_radio19834 wrote: »

Where is that rom?

This website says different.

That chart is a couple of days old

gozunda

catrat12 wrote: »

We are too laid back as a country

Ah sure it'll be grand ...

Rvsmmnps

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Why, do they cure it?

No they do not cure it,he may want to stay in his house for a prolonged period of time.Canned food doesn't go off and tends to last many times longer than other foods.


A southern Yemen moment

rossie1977

fritzelly wrote: »

And in 2018 a staggering 154 people died from flu in China, a country where they don't even bother getting a vaccine shot...believe their numbers all you want

Something...no test kits...something...people turned away from hospitals...

Where is the info on annual flu deaths in China?

4,800 people died of flu in the US between January 1st and 17th this year so obviously China with 5 times the population would be many multitudes of that normally.

Messi19

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

Should we be wary of Chinese tourists?

I walked past a Chinese looking chap yesterday and had to hold my breath

fritzelly

rossie1977 wrote: »

Where is the info on annual flu deaths in China?

4,800 people died of flu in the US between January 1st and 17th this year so obviously China with 5 times the population would be many multitudes of that normally.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1177725.shtml

saabsaab

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

Should we be wary of Chinese tourists?

We won't be getting any for a while.

saabsaab

Messi19 wrote: »

I walked past a Chinese looking chap yesterday and had to hold my breath

No use I'm afraid it spreads through the eyes!

Ralphyroo

imfml wrote: »

When can we expect to know if the passenger who traveled from Moscow is positive or negative? Fingers crossed we dodge this potential bullet.

There was a dr on the rte news on Thursday who said Ireland will be able to test for the coronavirus from Monday. So if he's correct the suspected case wont even be tested until tomorrow, and then there'll be a wait for the results. Which makes it even more ridiculous that everyone else on the flight was just sent away with a leaflet

cameramonkey

was talking to a guy who came back from china today. He was not in Wuhan but said that his city/ town was on lock down except for food shops. If you went into a shop they would take your temperature first and everyone had to wear face masks. He said he was temperature checked 3 times going to the airport, once on the road up to the airport and twice in the airport. All on board the aircraft were wearing masks. No check when he arrived in Europe and none in Dublin either. He did say the taxi driver he got was coughing his guts up.

saabsaab

Ralphyroo wrote: »

There was a dr on the rte news on Thursday who said Ireland will be able to test for the coronavirus from Monday. So if he's correct the suspected case wont even be tested until tomorrow, and then there'll be a wait for the results. Which makes it even more ridiculous that everyone else on the flight was just sent away with a leaflet

Just a leaflet? I wonder mask or gel? Can't see any mention on this.

Prominent_Dawg

saabsaab wrote: »

We won't be getting any for a while.

I don’t know about you but I’ve never seen so many

Messi19

saabsaab wrote: »

No use I'm afraid it spreads through the eyes!

It was nice knowing you guys

Duke of Url

fritzelly wrote: »

And in 2018 a staggering 154 people died from flu in China, a country where they don't even bother getting a vaccine shot...believe their numbers all you want

Something...no test kits...something...people turned away from hospitals...

fritzelly wrote: »

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1177725.shtml

Did you read the article?

. An analysis led by Chinese scientists published in The Lancet Public Health in September 2019 found that there were 84,200 to 92,000 flu-related deaths in China each year, accounting for 8.2 percent of all deaths from respiratory diseases

Stark

saabsaab wrote: »

Just a leaflet? I wonder mask or gel? Can't see any mention on this.

I heard he got hi-vis from the RSA as well.

Timberrrrrrrr

Messi19 wrote: »

I walked past a Chinese looking chap yesterday and had to hold my breath

You didn't "have" to

You chose to.

saabsaab

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

I don’t know about you but I’ve never seen so many

I'd say you just notice them more now. Most would be local and here a while so no risk. You probably are in Dublin a big draw for Chinese.

fritzelly

Duke of Url wrote: »

Did you read the article?

Did you?

Official Chinese data of flu-caused deaths is much lower, with Chinese CDC data showing that in 2018, there were more than 700,000 cases and 144 deaths

You quoted an "analysis"

SeaBreezes

This guy in Wuhan talks about Quarantine Certificates being required before you can be treated in hospital. Also, nontransport, no way to get there if you are sick..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OtLHvNVD87M

Messi19

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You didn't "have" to

You chose to.

I also didn't "have" to be sarcastic. I chose to

Duke of Url

fritzelly wrote: »

Did you?


You quoted an "analysis"

So how many people died of Flu in the US.

Not flu related... Just Flu?

car_radio19834

Some conspiracies on twitter at the moment of how a HIV drug appears to cure it to suggest the virus is manufactured.

GooglePlus

car_radio19834 wrote: »

Some conspiracies on twitter at the moment of how a HIV drug appears to cure it to suggest the virus is manufactured.

Manufactured in a bats arse.

car_radio19834

GooglePlus wrote: »

Manufactured in a bats arse.

https://communalnews.com/breaking-do-indian-lab-results-suggest-coronavirus-is-biological-weapon/

4068ac1elhodqr

Duke of Url wrote: »

So how many people died of Flu in the US.
Not flu related... Just Flu?

{In M&S voiceover}

"This is not just Influenza A/B flu, this is 2019-nCoV, flu"

Haven't we been through this a dozen times already...
I.e. 0.1% vs 2.0% for the 'special' flu.

Dante7

car_radio19834 wrote: »

Some conspiracies on twitter at the moment of how a HIV drug appears to cure it to suggest the virus is manufactured.

I posted similar a few days ago when that theory broke. It has since been debunked and the original paper it was based on has been withdrawn.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1223417307369811968?s=19

bilston

fritzelly wrote: »

20 French evacuated from China all showing flu symptons - see how this plays out with the other evacuees

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1224059468897538049?s=21

Well that's very worrying

Duke of Url

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

{In M&S voiceover}


Haven't we been through this a dozen times already...
I.e. 0.1% vs 2.0% for the 'special' flu.

I’m pointing out that different countries use different analytics when reporting numbers.

Some countries report death by flu. Others report deaths related to flu.

There is a proper analysis in the Article but that user was selective in what they were posting. Simples

fritzelly

Duke of Url wrote: »

I’m pointing out that different countries use different analytics when reporting numbers.

Some countries report death by flu. Others report deaths related to flu.

There is a proper analysis in the Article but that user was selective in what they were posting. Simples

And you were selective in quoting unpublished figures, you know the whole point of the original post - a bit like only 305 deaths, nothing to do with the virus because of this that and the other or being dead before they could be even tested (they don't bother testing dead people)

GoneHome

Ciara Kelly has a good piece in today's Sunday Independent about this country's unpreparedness if the virus reaches here

4068ac1elhodqr

Duke of Url wrote: »

I’m pointing out that different countries use different analytics when reporting numbers.

Fair enough, but we simply won't have a proper idea until there are hundreds of cases in an open western country that can properly observe and report upon them.

As an aside, Britain has just flew in another dozen or so, to stay in hotel d'wirral (almost Island like, with 3 sides on the Irish sea). But they reckon there are 30,000 brits in total over in China.

igCorcaigh

GoneHome wrote: »

Ciara Kelly has a good piece in today's Sunday Independent about this country's unpreparedness if the virus reaches here

Do we have those machines for oxygenating blood?

fritzelly

Actually 36 on that French flight - 16 others who had symptoms have been sent to their home countries
Gonna be a lot of worried people from that flight - pretty much no chance they weren't in contact with them

creditcarder

ceadaoin. wrote: »

20% of cases who had already been in a bad enough condition to have presented themselves at a hospital and been tested. With the rate of infection, there are undountably many more infected who have not needed to go to hospital and therefore never been tested who wont be included in the numbers. Most of the deaths so far have occurred in the elderly or those with underlying conditions, the same as flu

Having said that, there is a suspected case in my city today which is making me more nervous about it! Think it's time for a trip to costco to stock up on a few things

Not just that, but in China you have a lot of old people going to the hospital out of fear, and people just go to the hospital rather than the GP.



So, it's kind of a double bind of everybody who is in anyway 'bad' goes to the hospital on top of most people not bothering in general.

Edit: Where are you located?

Nijmegen

There’s friction between avoiding hyperbole and conjecture; and looking after yourself and your family by taking the view that governments tend to underplay trouble for a variety of reasons.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Irish authorities just sent a load of people off with a leaflet. And it would worry you given the number of cases dragged back out of China. But at the same time, how much of the “I heard” is BS coming off a chain of WhatsApp groups.

The steps major governments are taking are not in step with just a random but minor virus, is I suppose the biggest thing to keep an eye on when deciding what steps you might need to take in preparation for it continuing.

creditcarder

fritzelly wrote: »

Did you?


You quoted an "analysis"

Why are we disbelieving the current analysis and believing the past? :P

Duke of Url

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Fair enough, but we simply won't have a proper idea until there are hundreds of cases in an open western country that can properly observe and report upon them.

As an aside, Britain has just flew in another dozen or so, to stay in hotel d'wirral (almost Island like, with 3 sides on the Irish sea). But they reckon there are 30,000 brits in total over in China.

I agree, IMO ( and I’m guessing ) there’s 100s of thousands of people who would test positive if they went door to door in China.

Also ( and I’m guessing ) there could be 1-2000 people dead in there apartments who lived alone who never made it to hospital.

creditcarder

bilston wrote: »

Well that's very worrying

I'm very conspiracy theory ish lately, but they are government workers I think. So, it is in the West's best interests to isolate China.

creditcarder

Duke of Url wrote: »

I agree, IMO ( and I’m guessing ) there’s 100s of thousands of people who would test positive if they went door to door in China.

Also ( and I’m guessing ) there could be 1-2000 people dead in there apartments who lived alone who never made it to hospital.

They are not testing door to door, but they are going door to door.

4068ac1elhodqr

creditcarder wrote: »

Yeah, it's awful but I've actually left starbucks after I saw an Asain dude...

It was reported Starmucks has closed all it's 2,000 shops in China, Apple as also now closed all it's stores there too. Their economy will take a big step backwards if the can't control the bat-flu within the next few months.

Nonoperational

Jeez, this thread is mental.

Bubbaclaus

Nonoperational wrote: »

Jeez, this thread is mental.

Great entertainment though

Duke of Url

ceadaoin.

creditcarder wrote: »

Not just that, but in China you have a lot of old people going to the hospital out of fear, and people just go to the hospital rather than the GP.



So, it's kind of a double bind of everybody who is in anyway 'bad' goes to the hospital on top of most people not bothering in general.

Edit: Where are you located?

Vegas. I can see how this could be very bad in a city built on tourism, and with so many working in the hospitality industry. But theres been nothing reported about the suspected case (man who had travelled to wuhan) since Wednesday so hopefully that means its negative. Who knows though. The cynic in me can see that they might want to keep a lid on things until after the super bowl which is one of the busiest weekends of the year for visitors here and could be a disaster for spreading of this virus.

saabsaab

If say this virus gets established in a larger Irish town city. Wouldn't it be best to quarantine that city? and stop the spread elsewhere.

Nijmegen

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Vegas. I can see how this could be very bad in a city built on tourism, and with so many working in the hospitality industry. But theres been nothing reported about the suspected case (man who had travelled to wuhan) since Wednesday so hopefully that means its negative. Who knows though. The cynic in me can see that they might want to keep a lid on things until after the superbowl which is one of the busiest weekends of the year for visitors here and could be a disaster for spreading of this virus.

The Amity Island Mayor Vaughn syndrome. Probably what went on in the first place in Wuhan. Bets are the CCP will be sending the authorities there down in show trials when this is all over.

creditcarder

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Vegas. I can see how this could be very bad in a city built on tourism, and with so many working in the hospitality industry. But theres been nothing reported about the suspected case (man who had travelled to wuhan) since Wednesday so hopefully that means its negative. Who knows though. The cynic in me can see that they might want to keep a lid on things until after the superbowl which is one of the busiest weekends of the year for visitors here and could be a disaster for spreading of this virus.

Vegas :O What are you up to over there?



If you have some savings, you could probably rent a cheap place away from civilazation for a month, but, as I've said, and as absurd as this is, it might be only delaying the inevitable. It's either going to be bad or it won't