new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

saabsaab

bodhrandude wrote: »

I hope they are going to run some more tests after that, considering one patient took four tests before getting a positive reading of the virus.

I'd say they will Cork is a major national hospital. At least their level even if they have the virus is too low to show up. They are in isolation so less chance of passing it on now.

Wibbs

riffmongous wrote: »

While you are working I guess? But you are going to wear it long term and while you go around doing your daily life? I was actually referring to just gas masks anyway, they are enough to give you a literal pain in your neck

Gas masks are fairly easy to wear, some might feel claustrophobic, but otherwise... Certainly in the timeframe of an hour or so to get supplies and the like.

Wibbs

ardinn wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaIjwvjBwqg

Yeah he's informative alright A, but jaysus he bloody drags it out. Again you could condense that vid into 5 maybe 10 minutes. Maybe it's because he's a lecturer/teacher in the subject? Hang back for the slower guys in the back of the class kinda thing?

Of course that's what he's doing. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out that he's trying to make it as easy to understand as possible for people of all abilities, ages, backgrounds and languages. It is a topic of international concern, so he does need to make the info accessible to all sorts of people. Not just the amazingly clever ones like yourself Wibbs.

Wibbs

Nada to do with cleverness or no, if anything I would say his dragged out approach is more confusing to lay people. Though the repetition might work to some degree.

"Rocket surgeon". Kudos.

imfml

RTE reporting there are 15 suspected cases in Ireland with none confirmed. I guess its only a matter of time and we will have to rely on it being contained. Funny enough, I went to the gym tonight and was never so paranoid about how unhygienic it is if you think about it.

wakka12

I wonder have gyms been forcibly closed in some asian countries like singapore and vietnam?

fritzelly

Wibbs wrote: »

Yeah he's informative alright A, but jaysus he bloody drags it out. Again you could condense that vid into 5 maybe 10 minutes. Maybe it's because he's a lecturer/teacher in the subject? Hang back for the slower guys in the back of the class kinda thing?

Agree with you. He repeats a lot of stuff but it's a single take to his credit - nothing like these "pro" youtubers who edit the crap out of their vids.
He does know what he's talking about and fair play to him he is educating people

Just watched the last vid and he's like the WHO are saying what???

fritzelly

imfml wrote: »

RTE reporting there are 15 suspected cases in Ireland with none confirmed. I guess its only a matter of time and we will have to rely on it being contained. Funny enough, I went to the gym tonight and was never so paranoid about how unhygienic it is if you think about it.

Saw that - what the hell is the point of PPE being sent to doctors. Are they gonna be in full hazmat suits when you go to see them or you cough and the doc says hold on there need to get changed
Any eejit who goes to the doc with flu symptoms should be shot on sight - apart from the fact that even with normal flu you shouldn't be spreading it but you must have been living under a rock to go to them with the current news.

hmmm

Some hopeful reports today.

The doctor treating the patients in Germany says it's no more dangerous than the Flu
https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/schwabinger-chefarzt-corona-nicht-gefaehrlicher-als-influenza,RphX42Z

Harvard epidemiologist - “So what looks like a horrific disease may be the horrific tip of a very large iceberg,” i.e. there may be vast numbers of people who are infected, but we are only hearing about the most serious.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6478/610?et_rid=34804937&et_cid=3196590

I also think the Chinese government's new strategy of quarantining people with mild symptoms in large fever hospitals sounds like a good strategy - home quarantine has helped to spread the disease amongst family groups. House them together, send any critical patients to hospitals, and release them when they are not infected. It's what we did here in Ireland back when TB was rampant.

wakka12

40 more cases confirmed on the Japanese boat. 61 in total now. Well if the spreadability of the virus was ever in doubt that certainly puts it to bed
Given that it seems remarkable that there has been so few localised outbreaks of note outside of China, especially with the lax screening of chinese touristsand immigrants into many countries even now, and several verified reports of confirmed infected invididuals holidaying throughout countries such as Mexico, England. I was reading an article yesterday about a Chinese man ho was infected and was hoolidaying in Mexico city, none of the dozens of people he was in contact with contracted it.

Rhys Essien

Remember that nurse who put out a video last week claiming that 90,000 were infected. Surely the real figure now in gone over the million.

Also remember the graph that estimates that a million would be dead by 21 Feb and around 57 million would be infected.

lolanacho

fritzelly wrote: »

Death confirmed again

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1225537472584650753

The poor guy dead and his pregnant wife is also sick with Coronavirus.

41 new cases confirmed overnight on the cruise ship currently docked in Japan. Went from 20 to 61 in one jump
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-07/massive-spike-of-coronavirus-cases-on-board-cruise-ship/11943302

bodhrandude

Deleted User wrote: »

41 new cases confirmed overnight on the cruise ship currently docked in Japan. Went from 20 to 61 in one jump
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-07/massive-spike-of-coronavirus-cases-on-board-cruise-ship/11943302

Jesus this news is getting worse and worse, 15 unconfirmed in Ireland no idea where they are apart from 3 in Dublin, Cork and Kerry and 41 on that cruise ship bringing the total Japanese cases up to 94.

sdanseo

As absolutely horrendous as it sounds, the spread on the cruise ship will be like a small laboratory for Japan and the rest of the civilised world to examine the disease in a controlled manner without China meddling in the results.

Of course, that could be at the expense of a lot of the guests becoming severely ill. Only time will tell.
I work with Germans every day and they are never sensationalist or anything but blunt and pragmatic, so that tells us something of how to read into Bavaria's CMO (a few posts above) saying it's no worse than flu.

A third patient with coronavirus confirmed in the UK is being treated at a London hospital.
Chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty said in a statement on Thursday that the individual did not acquire the virus in the UK.
It is understood the patient arrived at Guy’s Hospital in London Bridge on Thursday afternoon and that the virus was contracted in an Asian country, but not in China.
The patient is thought to have been diagnosed in Brighton before being transferred.   https://au.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-uk-third-case-confirmed-132226248.html

bodhrandude

hmmm wrote: »

Some hopeful reports today.

The doctor treating the patients in Germany says it's no more dangerous than the Flu
https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/schwabinger-chefarzt-corona-nicht-gefaehrlicher-als-influenza,RphX42Z

Harvard epidemiologist - “So what looks like a horrific disease may be the horrific tip of a very large iceberg,” i.e. there may be vast numbers of people who are infected, but we are only hearing about the most serious.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6478/610?et_rid=34804937&et_cid=3196590

I also think the Chinese government's new strategy of quarantining people with mild symptoms in large fever hospitals sounds like a good strategy - home quarantine has helped to spread the disease amongst family groups. House them together, send any critical patients to hospitals, and release them when they are not infected. It's what we did here in Ireland back when TB was rampant.

A very interesting and reassuring read, thank you for posting.

ongarite

wakka12 wrote: »

I wonder have gyms been forcibly closed in some asian countries like singapore and vietnam?

Nope, I'm in Singapore for last week.
My hotel gym, spa is open.
All food courts which are packed with people daily are running as normal.

Quantum Erasure

imfml wrote: »

RTE reporting there are 15 suspected cases in Ireland with none confirmed.

just looked that up, very short on details,
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0207/1113703-coronavirus/

although this line caught my attention...
RTÉ News understands Minister for Health Simon Harris and his EU counterparts have been told they may have to attend the meeting next Thursday

old_aussie

Deleted User wrote: »

41 new cases confirmed overnight on the cruise ship currently docked in Japan. Went from 20 to 61 in one jump
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-07/massive-spike-of-coronavirus-cases-on-board-cruise-ship/11943302

If it's spreading through the aircon, then the ships passengers and crew are doomed.

Keeping them in their separate rooms isn't going to work.

ceadaoin.

old_aussie wrote: »

If it's spreading through the aircon, then the ships passengers and crew are doomed.

Keeping them in their separate rooms isn't going to work.

Yeah cruise ships seem to be the ideal location for viruses to spread. How often do we hear about ships being decimated by norovirus or similar?

Why dont they just take them off and quarantine them elsewhere? If anything it could stop even more people becoming infected

ardinn

old_aussie wrote: »

If it's spreading through the aircon, then the ships passengers and crew are doomed.

Keeping them in their separate rooms isn't going to work.

Aircon doesnt work like that - it isnt one system - I worked in a lot of hotels and your looking at 1 unit per 2/3 rooms - Literally the roof was like an ariel view of electric picnic replacing tents with AC compressor units.

I could be wrong for a ship however but a singular A/C unit for 3000 odd rooms would be fúcking huge! like - massive!

This would be typical



However, it does beg the question how its actually done on a ship.

bodhrandude

An article speculating why North Korea has been silent during this outbreak. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/asia/north-korea-wuhan-coronavirus-infection-intl-hnk/index.html

BumperD

bodhrandude wrote: »

An article speculating why North Korea has been silent during this outbreak. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/asia/north-korea-wuhan-coronavirus-infection-intl-hnk/index.html

In fairness there is an easy explanation. It’s a closed border so doesn’t have the open traffic others experience so I’d imagine a little less prone to imported disease. Don’t believe everything you read on CNN

A_Lost_Man

Many people are wondering what this outbreak is and many are feared and why it outbreak in china why not other country and now happening in other countries. Actually the point china's population is increasing and their resources are vanishing and they knew if they could not control population one day they are going to die due to over population and they test the virus on Wuhan population but sadly the scheme goes wrong. It is actually the same story of 'AMC walking dead'

bodhrandude

BumperD wrote: »

In fairness there is an easy explanation. It’s a closed border so doesn’t have the open traffic others experience so I’d imagine a little less prone to imported disease. Don’t believe everything you read on CNN

Can't help it, reading a lot of things.

Oranage2

North Korea closed it's borders very quickly, also the tourists that go would have very little contact with the main population in North Korea.

Graces7

Busy night on here.

I am not reading or watching anything on this apart from here. Seems so much junk and misinfo.

HSE seem to be coping and will cope if folk are sensible and aware, as we are. Awareness is the key.
Hope for the best and prepare for the worst..

As someone said, we have Storm Ciara of immediate concern in all its unpredictability. so today that is at the epicentre here as more news comes in.

Mask up; get stocks in of all you need, just in case as they will always be needed at some stage.

Graces7

bodhrandude wrote: »

Can't help it, reading a lot of things.[/QUOTE

So stop reading! Get out for a walk.

Reminds me of 9/11. I was online in an American egroup, chatting with a friend who is a journalist when the planes hit. I was on a Scottish island far from it all and folk in the US needed support. So I spent 36 hours online, then ducked when our one flight a week went over and closed down.

I never saw any film of the crash; nothing I could do . Folk were getting PTSD from watching the news... Same here now; fully aware of it and care deeply but nothing much I can do. Except pray.

Take care of YOU.

ardinn

Graces7 wrote: »

HSE seem to be coping and will cope if folk are sensible and aware, as we are. Awareness is the key.
Hope for the best and prepare for the worst..

Not enough people are aware unfortunately.

My local pub is full of aul lads and aul wans, none of them on SM (probably better off) but the 4 mins or so airtime rte gave them is not enough to prepare.

The amount of people coughing and spluttering around the place, you never notice until your paranoid.

Graces7

ardinn wrote: »

Not enough people are aware unfortunately.

My local pub is full of aul lads and aul wans, none of them on SM (probably better off) but the 4 mins or so airtime rte gave them is not enough to prepare.

The amount of people coughing and spluttering around the place, you never notice until your paranoid.

Nothing you can do except care for you and your family. We are in ordinary flu season after all. Many refuse to take heed; China had the right idea. Enforced quarantine.

The spread here will be slow if it happens.

humberklog

wakka12 wrote: »

I wonder have gyms been forcibly closed in some asian countries like singapore and vietnam?

In Vietnam schools are closed for the rest of this month other than that there's very very little obvious measures taken. Hotel and other service staff are to wear masks but that wouldn't be hugely uncommon

There's a big drop off in Chinese tourists especially in resortish areas such as Hoi An (where I am now) but there's still loads about mingling in bars and markets. They're all wearing masks.
I'm only wearing a mask when doing airports. There was a pretty good V. government text saying be careful as masks are grand but lead to complacency with regards other essential hygiene measures like washing hands.

Funny (not funny) thing. I was watching Chinese tourists browsing a menu in very busy bar. No mask. His finger rooting around his nose and then passing menu onto Oh then menu passed back to staff and on it goes. You can only do so much but cleaning, hands is top priority

humberklog

humberklog wrote: »

In Vietnam schools are closed for the rest of this month other than that there's very very little obvious measures taken.

It's only until next Friday in some parts of the country like HCM. Officially, I'm back in school next Monday in Hanoi though people expect that will likely change and there will be another week off.

ChikiChiki

Graces7 wrote: »

Busy night on here.

I am not reading or watching anything on this apart from here. Seems so much junk and misinfo.

HSE seem to be coping and will cope if folk are sensible and aware, as we are. Awareness is the key.
Hope for the best and prepare for the worst..

As someone said, we have Storm Ciara of immediate concern in all its unpredictability. so today that is at the epicentre here as more news comes in.

Mask up; get stocks in of all you need, just in case as they will always be needed at some stage.

HSE are not coping as is. Forgive us for having little faith in them.

A shambles of an organisation.

We are watching it closely at work from a global risk perspective and I do think the seriousness of it has completely fallen under the radar here with the elections. Prevention measures should be in place and well underway.

VinLieger

ardinn wrote: »

Not enough people are aware unfortunately.

My local pub is full of aul lads and aul wans, none of them on SM (probably better off) but the 4 mins or so airtime rte gave them is not enough to prepare.

The amount of people coughing and spluttering around the place, you never notice until your paranoid.

Indeed the first thought of any of them will be to go to a GP or A and E which is exactly what not to do but there has been nowhere near enough messaging to ram this home and explain the reasons for it

circadian

humberklog wrote: »

In Vietnam schools are closed for the rest of this month other than that there's very very little obvious measures taken. Hotel and other service staff are to wear masks but that wouldn't be hugely uncommon

There's a big drop off in Chinese tourists especially in resortish areas such as Hoi An (where I am now) but there's still loads about mingling in bars and markets. They're all wearing masks.
I'm only wearing a mask when doing airports. There was a pretty good V. government text saying be careful as masks are grand but lead to complacency with regards other essential hygiene measures like washing hands.

Funny (not funny) thing. I was watching Chinese tourists browsing a menu in very busy bar. No mask. His finger rooting around his nose and then passing menu onto Oh then menu passed back to staff and on it goes. You can only do so much but cleaning, hands is top priority

Some people are wilfully ignorant and some people are just outright ignorant. It's stunning sometimes to see it so blatantly.

On the other hand, there's a cracking rice pancake place around the Bá Lễ area. Some great Pho places on the way out of town too.

car_radio19834

ardinn wrote: »

Aircon doesnt work like that - it isnt one system - I worked in a lot of hotels and your looking at 1 unit per 2/3 rooms - Literally the roof was like an ariel view of electric picnic replacing tents with AC compressor units.

I could be wrong for a ship however but a singular A/C unit for 3000 odd rooms would be fúcking huge! like - massive!

This would be typical



However, it does beg the question how its actually done on a ship.

Those units don't supply air, the remove heat.

It's a closed system. There's basically just a pipe going from the rooftop to the room and the pipe removes the heat with air recirculated from the room blown over it.

cadaliac

car_radio19834 wrote: »

Those units don't supply air, the remove heat.

It's a closed system. There's basically just a pipe going from the rooftop to the room and the pipe removes the heat with air recirculated from the room blown over it.

Reports from the ship that state that there is no air - I guess meaning no air con or HVAC.
The guy in question said that the inner cabins have no windows and people in those cabins are granted some time on deck for fresh air.
Also mentioned that the passengers are to remain 1 meter apart.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51409800

bilston

We might get a better idea of the true spread of this virus from the cruise ship. Unfortunately by nature most passengers on a cruise are likely to be a bit older and therefore potentially more susceptible to more serious effects from the virus.

Fr_Dougal

No update from Ben Kavanagh in two days...

circadian

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No update from Ben Kavanagh in two days...

Updated on twitter, all good so far. I guess there's not much to make a video on at this point.

wakka12

A passenger on the Japanese cruise with coronvirus is in a critical condition
https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/videonews/ann?a=20200207-00000021-ann-soci

wakka12

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1225633449140031488?s=21
Zhejang becomes the first outside Wuhan to have 1000 infections

https://twitter.com/DavidInglesTV/status/1225620055729131521?s=09
First case in North korea

sweetie

A_Lost_Man wrote: »

Many people are wondering what this outbreak is and many are feared and why it outbreak in china why not other country and now happening in other countries. Actually the point china's population is increasing and their resources are vanishing and they knew if they could not control population one day they are going to die due to over population and they test the virus on Wuhan population but sadly the scheme goes wrong. It is actually the same story of 'AMC walking dead'

STEP away from the Keyboard.....

IspeakcozIcan

circadian wrote: »

Updated on twitter, all good so far. I guess there's not much to make a video on at this point.

What's his Twitter handle? Would like to folow him.

Graces7

ChikiChiki wrote: »

HSE are not coping as is. Forgive us for having little faith in them.

A shambles of an organisation.

We are watching it closely at work from a global risk perspective and I do think the seriousness of it has completely fallen under the radar here with the elections. Prevention measures should be in place and well underway.

Such as? We can each and all protect ourselves . Stay away from eg pubs, crowded places.. Wear a mask if you have to mix. Stock up.

They are dealing with cases as they arise. Do you think we should all be quarantined. or what ?

If you go to www.breakingnews.ie and at the top. see coronavirus... plenty going on and there will be more planned. Not panic measures. See the wedding photos!

odyssey06

An Post suspends all mail to China...
https://www.thejournal.ie/an-post-china-wuhan-coronavirus-post-mail-4996327-Feb2020/

In a statement, An Post said that “all mail services have been suspended to China as a result of the Coronavirus with immediate effect”.
“This follows the decision by a number of international airlines to suspend their services,” the short statement added.

sweetie

odyssey06 wrote: »

An Post suspends all mail to China...
https://www.thejournal.ie/an-post-china-wuhan-coronavirus-post-mail-4996327-Feb2020/

In a statement, An Post said that “all mail services have been suspended to China as a result of the Coronavirus with immediate effect”.
“This follows the decision by a number of international airlines to suspend their services,” the short statement added.

t'would be the mail from china i'd be more concerned about

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-outbreak-alert-upped-to-orange-as-more-cases-surface-with-no-known-links-more

Not good, more cases in Singapore but don't know the source