No right wing alternative= No alternative

Mad_maxx

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Aontú aren't really left.

Sorta middle of the road, indeed anyone proper left call them far right!.

They are left in every way bar abortion

Brussels Sprout

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Ironically the left moan and whinge about fascism when they couldn't be any more fascist themselves.

Their beliefs are basically agree with us on absolutely everything otherwise you are a Neanderthal Nazi.

There's a famous saying "The right seek converts, the left seek traitors". It's one of the reasons why there are usually more left-wing parties in any country. This is quite evident in Ireland where the far-left parties seem to splinter in every single election cycle.

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Ironically the people they refer to as Nazi are open to debate!.

They're open to publicity more like.

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

For example the lady who organised the rally for free speech is a barrister....

I'll stop you there. If this is the lady that I believe you are on about then she is not a barrister and has subsequently had to remove that claim from her twitter bio.

This appears to be a trend in the far-right whereby they give themselves titles or roles they do not actually have. There’s some other clown calling himself a Professor who mostly posts anti-immigrant material. I believe it is their way of de-legitimising people who actually have earned those titles or jobs.

Huntergonzo

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Is abortion that big of an issue for you? I mean again I'm pro-life myself, that's why it was very important to me to get rid of the 8th amendment.

Can't make sense of that at all to be honest.

Well I'm pro-life in that I'm all for people having babies and continuing on the human race etc. But the 8th amendment would have stopped me and 3 other people members of my family from being born as my mother would not have survived her first pregnancy if abortion was not available to her.

My thoughts are pretty clear. Surely you understand the damage the 8th would have done to our family, actually there wouldn't have been a family!!

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

My point to you is you said left or socialist people can be pro life and I'm making the point give me an example of a politician who is, you can't.

Not one socialist or left person will question direct provision or have pro life views, if they did be out of the party in a heartbeat!.

Thus it goes, generally speaking pro life people are conservative or right wing as such.

I don't recall saying "left or socialist people can be pro life", but I don't see why they can't be, it's each to their own.

I'm not big on socialist politics anyway, I'd be more right leaning economically speaking.

Anyway as others have pointed out Aontu are probably your best bet but you've rejected that, so I guess that's it really.

Huntergonzo

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You haven't asked me about any.

Haha ok ok, we'll leave her there so.

All the best.

Sonic_exyouth

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Well I'm pro-life in that I'm all for people having babies and continuing on the human race etc. But the 8th amendment would have stopped me and 3 other people members of my family from being born as my mother would not have survived her first pregnancy if abortion was not available to her.

My thoughts are pretty clear. Surely you understand the damage the 8th would have done to our family, actually there wouldn't have been a family!!

It.. evidently.. did not

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I don't recall saying "left or socialist people can be pro life", but I don't see why they can't be, it's each to their own.

I'm not big on socialist politics anyway, I'd be more right leaning economically speaking.

Anyway as others have pointed out Aontu are probably your best bet but you've rejected that, so I guess that's it really.

Huntergonzo

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

It.. evidently.. did not

Nope cause thankfully it was not in place in the 70s when my mother had her abortion.

Sonic_exyouth

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Nope cause thankfully it was not in place in the 70s when my mother had her abortion.

The argument made by people at the time was that the 8th didn't change anything, it just removed the right of the Government to legislate. Mary Robinson at the time highlighted that there was inevitable going to be issues as it was fairly poorly worded.

The 8th gave equal right to life to the mother and child - where there was a conflict with these rights, and a choice was to be made, then the mother was to be prioritised. This was custom and practice during the 80s, and then made legal after the x Case, and then codified in the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

The remaining issue from 1990 - 2013 was if the threat of suicide was equal to the physical threat facing a mother. The people twice given the option to say no, and rejected it twice (Albeit, this was aided by the Youth Defense and extreme sides who had an ideological objection to the presence of the work abortion or termination being anywhere in the constitution, and in 2002 were convinced that there was a conspiracy by Bertie Ahern to turn Ireland into the Embryonic Stem Cell capital of the world)

Mad_maxx

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

There's a famous saying "The right seek converts, the left seek traitors". It's one of the reasons why there are usually more left-wing parties in any country. This is quite evident in Ireland where the far-left parties seem to splinter in every single election cycle.



They're open to publicity more like.




I'll stop you there. If this is the lady that I believe you are on about then she is not a barrister and has subsequently had to remove that claim from her twitter bio.

This appears to be a trend in the far-right whereby they give themselves titles or roles they do not actually have. There’s some other clown calling himself a Professor who mostly posts anti-immigrant material. I believe it is their way of de-legitimising people who actually have earned those titles or jobs.

why must you attempt to smear Tracy O mahoney with that " far right " label ?

she has not espoused prejudiced positions against anybody , she opposes the new " hate speech" proposed legislation , so do i and many others

Lonesomerhodes

Mad_maxx wrote: »

why must you attempt to smear Tracy O mahoney with that " far right " label ?

she has not espoused prejudiced positions against anybody , she opposes the new " hate speech" proposed legislation , so do i and many others

Yeah she's a nice lady and because the lunatic left brigade haven't the gumption or brains to debate a barrister it's smear/slander and more smear with Nazi this and that nonsense.


Why can't the left simply debate her instead of slander?.

Because they know their debate will be rinsed out arguing against free speech!.

Mad_maxx

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Yeah she's a nice lady and because the lunatic left brigade haven't the gumption or brains to debate a barrister it's smear/slander and more smear with Nazi this and that nonsense.


Why can't the left simply debate her instead of slander?.

Because they know their debate will be rinsed out arguing against free speech!.

I've never met her but I do follow her on twitter

The authoritarian left have no substance to much of their positions, they don't hang around to have those positions exposed so reach for slogans like " far right" etc

ohnonotgmail

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Yeah she's a nice lady and because the lunatic left brigade haven't the gumption or brains to debate a barrister it's smear/slander and more smear with Nazi this and that nonsense.


Why can't the left simply debate her instead of slander?.

Because they know their debate will be rinsed out arguing against free speech!.

she is not a barrister

pjohnson

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she is not a barrister

"Free speech" means she is a barrister I guess.

Doctor Jimbob

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Yeah she's a nice lady and because the lunatic left brigade haven't the gumption or brains to debate a barrister it's smear/slander and more smear with Nazi this and that nonsense.


Why can't the left simply debate her instead of slander?.

Because they know their debate will be rinsed out arguing against free speech!.

So the left shouldn't say mean things about the right, but you calling the left brainless and lunatics is fair game?

Huntergonzo

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

The argument made by people at the time was that the 8th didn't change anything, it just removed the right of the Government to legislate. Mary Robinson at the time highlighted that there was inevitable going to be issues as it was fairly poorly worded.

The 8th gave equal right to life to the mother and child - where there was a conflict with these rights, and a choice was to be made, then the mother was to be prioritised. This was custom and practice during the 80s, and then made legal after the x Case, and then codified in the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

The remaining issue from 1990 - 2013 was if the threat of suicide was equal to the physical threat facing a mother. The people twice given the option to say no, and rejected it twice (Albeit, this was aided by the Youth Defense and extreme sides who had an ideological objection to the presence of the work abortion or termination being anywhere in the constitution, and in 2002 were convinced that there was a conspiracy by Bertie Ahern to turn Ireland into the Embryonic Stem Cell capital of the world)

I don't know my legislation inside out but as far as I know abortion was never legal in Ireland until recently. However in emergency circumstances doctors did perform abortions before the 8th was introduced.

Now while those who made the argument in the 80s that the 8th didn't change the law were maybe technically correct, in practice the ban on abortion was greatly strenghtened. Doctors were far more careful about carrying out abortions if indeed any were carried out at all for many years.

Not only were abortions illegal but the State actually sought an injunction to prevent a raped 14 year old girl from having an abortion. That's the depraved level of damage the 8th caused and thankfully it's gone.

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

why must you attempt to smear Tracy O mahoney with that " far right " label ?

she has not espoused prejudiced positions against anybody , she opposes the new " hate speech" proposed legislation , so do i and many others

She most definitely has. She has a record of racist posts on Twitter, and ‘stands over’ her brother, who is a keen islamophobe, being a member of the, eh, ‘warriors against Islam’ group. She’s the epitome of far right, Hence being in bed with the National Party, Renua, and the Irish Freedom Party.

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

She most definitely has. She has a record of racist posts on Twitter, and ‘stands over’ her brother, who is a keen islamophobe, being a member of the, eh, ‘warriors against Islam’ group. She’s the epitome of far right, Hence being in bed with the National Party, Renua, and the Irish Freedom Party.

No such thing as an "islamaphobe", it's a political term invented by the PC Left

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

No such thing as an "islamaphobe", it's a political term invented by the PC Left

Nah, there is of course, and Niall O’Mahony is one.

facehugger99

If you're a workshy layabout who believes the world owes you a living, wants a free house and doesn't want to pay for anything, you've probably got half a dozen different political parties vying for your vote.

If you're in favour of prudent management of the economy, small Government and policies which support private sector workers, you've literally nobody to vote for.

The only reason I cast a ballot is to ensure the lunatic fringes are kept as far away from the levers of power as possible.

Brussels Sprout

Mad_maxx wrote: »

No such thing as an "islamaphobe", it's a political term invented by the PC Left

:pac:

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

Nah, there is of course, and Niall O’Mahony is one.

Have you ever heard of a Hinduphoebe?

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Have you ever heard of a Hinduphoebe?

Like ‘Islamaphobe’ ‘Hinduphoebe’ isn’t an actual word, but Hinduphobe certainly is.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hinduphobe
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/hinduphobic

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

Like ‘Islamaphobe’ ‘Hinduphoebe’ isn’t an actual word, but Hinduphobe certainly is.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hinduphobe
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/hinduphobic

Yeah, autocorrect sometimes screws a text up

I've yet to notice hinduphobe inserted into political discourse or Buddhistphobe or quaker phobe

ohnonotgmail

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Yeah, autocorrect sometimes screws a text up

I've yet to notice hinduphobe inserted into political discourse or Buddhistphobe or quaker phobe

so you haven't heard of it so it doesn't exist. Can you give us a full breakdown of things you have heard so we know they exist?

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Yeah, autocorrect sometimes screws a text up

I've yet to notice hinduphobe inserted into political discourse or Buddhistphobe or quaker phobe

Autocorrect doesn’t produce typos. And no-one is really responsible for what you don’t notice. I’m sure the list is long.

alastair

For anyone in any doubt that Tracey O’Mahony is a far-right racist:
https://twitter.com/hexhibit/status/1216434421114572800?s=21

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

For anyone in any doubt that Tracey O’Mahony is a far-right racist:
https://twitter.com/hexhibit/status/1216434421114572800?s=21

So she's highlighting how the media hush hush violent crime committed by certain ethnic minority group members, RTE do the same with travellers

Do you also consider David Quinn and John mcguirk to be "far right" ?

Lonesomerhodes

alastair wrote: »

For anyone in any doubt that Tracey O’Mahony is a far-right racist:
https://twitter.com/hexhibit/status/1216434421114572800?s=21

Her tweet wasn't racist :pac:

So she's a racist because you say so?.


Me thinks you have the hots for her stalking her and watching her tweets like a hawk on twitter.

And Who can blame ya?.

She's an Intelligent sound educated ballsy and attractive lady!.

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

So she's highlighting how the media hush hush violent crime committed by certain ethnic minority group members, RTE do the same with travellers

Do you also consider David Quinn and John mcguirk to be "far right" ?

Nah - she’s doing no such thing. The names were not released for legal reasons - one of the convicted being a minor at the time of the crime. What she is doing however is equating criminality with ethnicity, and not even in a subtle fashion. Plain old racism.

alastair

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Her tweet wasn't racist :pac:

So she's a racist because you say so?.


Me thinks you have the hots for her stalking her and watching her tweets like a hawk on twitter.

And Who can blame ya?.

She's an Intelligent sound educated ballsy and attractive lady!.

The post was blatantly racist. How can you possibly imagine it’s not? Who exactly do you imagine is supposed to be coming to your village? The convicted and imprisoned French lads?

And not my type - I like a bit of humanity in folk.

SaintLeibowitz

alastair wrote: »

The post was blatantly racist. How can you possibly imagine it’s not? Who exactly do you imagine is supposed to be coming to your village? The convicted and imprisoned French lads?

And not my type - I like a bit of humanity in folk.

The far right refuse to acknowledge racism. This is a tactic. 'Racism doesn't exist anymore, therefore, nothing can be racist' .

They want the ability to discriminate without consequence.