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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 515 ✭✭✭Lonesomerhodes


    The Nazis killed about the same number in a much shorter space of time.

    LOL more people died under Communism/Socialism Alone in Holodomor.

    Also why do left folk always ignore the correct name of the Nazi party they love to bring up?.

    National Socialist German Workers' Party

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,496 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    [/B]
    When people make this point they never mention that inequality in the US is highly regional and it is lowest in parts of the US that are most like Europe Ie. inequality is a product of history and mass immigration, not government policy. 7% of Nevada is undocumented. Lets imagine if 7% of the Irish population was undocumented migrants from developing countries. That would mean 350,0000 people who due to low education or illegal status can only do menial work. We would have vastly more inequality in that case.

    And how is the wealth of these billionaires at the expense of anyone?

    But if they're undocumented aren't they not uncluded in the statistics anyway?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,496 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    LOL more people died under Communism/Socialism Alone in Holodomor.

    Also why do left folk always ignore the correct name of the Nazi party they love to bring up?.

    National Socialist German Workers' Party

    :rolleyes:

    Ah, I thought you were trying to say that only left wing socialist policies could results in genocides and mass-murders (as is the thread topic) but soemthing about right-wing socialism prevents thsi from happening...?

    You say "left wing politics is some utopia" sarcastcially, but seem to turn a blind eye when it's right wing politics in the spotlight, no?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,567 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    When people make this point they never mention that inequality in the US is highly regional and it is lowest in parts of the US that are most like Europe Ie. inequality is a product of history and mass immigration, not government policy. 7% of Nevada is undocumented. Lets imagine if 7% of the Irish population was undocumented migrants from developing countries. That would mean 350,0000 people who due to low education or illegal status can only do menial work. We would have vastly more inequality in that case.


    Its well documented by the work of people such as Joe Stiglitz, etc, that Americas inequality issues are of a direct consequence of government policies, from both republicans and Democrats, over the last few decades, the so called neoliberal era.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    But if they're undocumented aren't they not uncluded in the statistics anyway?

    Good question, I suspect they are included as some do pay a certain amount of income tax, also economic data is good at estimating these things. Even the drug trade is measured in Irish economic data. Even if they were not measured they would still have a depressing effect on the price of labour and cheap labour is linked to higher inequality.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    LOL more people died under Communism/Socialism Alone in Holodomor.

    Also why do left folk always ignore the correct name of the Nazi party they love to bring up?.

    National Socialist German Workers' Party

    :rolleyes:

    Just like they ignore the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea name. The Nazis were not socialist. They jailed or killed actual socialists.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Good man, I’m off to Vegas on the 1st of Feb for trip number 1 of 3 this year.

    I love the thought of going over there and squandering a load of money in their local economy rather than seeing it funding the untermensch luxury.

    All written off as a tax expense too LOL.

    Untermensch eh? You consider people on the dole sub human?

    Would you like them rounded up into camps?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    the career dolers , 4eva homers, receive way too much airtime and sympathy from the rte cesspit than they should. They managed to finish off a Labour Party , for simply speaking the truth. The worlds busiest dominoes is in west Dublin , ironically the same place at the centre of the water charge protests. Anybody else see the irony in that ?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    I would like less immigration(some is fine), a Promotion of Irish culture above all others, a hard line attitude to crime, less focus on peoples sexuality or race and a guaranteed protection on free speech so who do I vote for?

    The National Party


  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭PeasantHater


    Brian? wrote: »
    Untermensch eh? You consider people on the dole sub human?

    Would you like them rounded up into camps?

    That's what you decided to take from what I said.

    I am referring to the perpetual workshy who are more than capable of earning a living but refuse to do so.

    I pay comedic amounts of tax contributions while also paying off a nice 33 year loan at €2100 pm.

    Why the f should I get the same amount as these parasites if I became unemployed if I've contributed more in a single day than this lot have in their entire lives?

    Maybe the camps you're referring to wouldn't be ideal but a camp that makes them work menial labour to justify their "income" might be worth thinking about ;).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    It’s peoples dismay with the system that gets the likes of trump elected and then these same idiots who lose power , haven’t seen that they themselves created the situation. By attempting to stifle debate and change from a large number of people. Fg betrayal of workers and the issues ongoing immigration here will cause , especially to the career dolers and welfarers , when there is very little to go around anymore with all the drains on the states finances. We will see what happens then !


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,496 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    The National Party

    Justin Barrett is not going to prvide "less provision on people's sexuality"!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Sonic_exyouth


    alastair wrote: »
    Just like they ignore the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea name. The Nazis were not socialist. They jailed or killed actual socialists.

    East Germany was the German Democratic Republic
    1987 - 1992, Afghanistan was the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan
    The Cambodian khmer Rouge ruled over the Democratic Kampuchea
    It borders the Lao People's Democratic Republic

    Briefly, there existed the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen
    Or the People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
    The Democratic Republic of Madagascar
    or the Somali Democratic Republic


    None of these places are actually democracies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,848 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Justin Barrett is not going to prvide "less provision on people's sexuality"!

    And they're not fine with "some" immigration, and they defo focus on race!

    They're fúcking idiots.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,496 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Wasn't Bertie a closet socialist as well?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,567 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Wasn't Bertie a closet socialist as well?


    He was in his hole


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    It’s peoples dismay with the system that gets the likes of trump elected and then these same idiots who lose power , haven’t seen that they themselves created the situation. By attempting to stifle debate and change from a large number of people. Fg betrayal of workers and the issues ongoing immigration here will cause , especially to the career dolers and welfarers , when there is very little to go around anymore with all the drains on the states finances. We will see what happens then !

    Immigration is not an election issue here. The Irish Freedom Party got 1.2% of the vote in Wexford by-election. And what do you mean by immigration exactly? Are you including the freedom of movement of people within the EU? We voted for that in a referendum and the only way out of that would be to leave the EU. That is not going to happen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    One thing that strikes me about this election is the idea people are voting for change well their really isn't any!.

    All left left left and more left parties.


    Not one mainstream party in Ireland is even remotely right so how can you have choice if what you vote for is all the same?.

    Not a cigarette papers worth of difference between

    Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail/ Greens/People before profit/Sinn Fein/Labour etc etc
    For example
    They all support the EU
    they all support abortion,
    all support mass immigration into Ireland (in fact won't discuss it at all under any circumstances)
    Not one will ask for public referendum on issues
    Refuse to acknowledge billions so far has been spent on direct provision centres while the downtrodden poor Irish people die on the streets
    Refuse to question the money doctors get from pharmaceutical firms,
    refuse to acknowledge the billions Ireland has in oil and gas etc etc etc


    They are all basically the same, left leaning gombeens lining their own pockets making fools of the general public.

    Worst is them hardcore Marxist parties that come out with stupid names like People before profit or Anti Austerity alliance, amazed such newspeak buzzword simplicity works on people.
    All mindless leftie nonsense.


    The only right wing party in Ireland I can think of is the National party and they are tiny and will never ever get media coverage. Not that I agree with them on everything a few bits.

    (sigh waits for the mindless screaming of racist this and that)

    I like some right wing policies ie

    Small accountable government.

    Pro life- Believe it or not some people believe life is still sacred

    Look after our own citizens first, if we can't look after our own how can we possibly look after tens of thousands of other people?.

    A return to our own heritage. This is something often over looked in Ireland, we need to value our history culture and language. Easier said than done in a country where the vast majority of people don't speak the native tongue in fact openly desipise and dismiss it but we can make a start.


    Hate to see Ireland become a meaningless vassel state to the EU which all mainstream parties support as they will not question the EU on anything!.


    So with no right wing alternative how is this General Election offering ANY alternative?.

    Bit of a joke if you ask me. ;)

    Responding to OP, there can be no possible sense that Leo Varadkar is 'leftwing,' even with his support for various 'woke' positions on social measures.

    However, immigration policy is extraordinarily imprudent and wasteful too. Although the EU perhaps makes the implementation of a more objective points-based policy to supply scarce skills, this government seems dogmatically opposed to sensible regulation of it. In a way, it is of a piece with its destructive and wasteful housing policy. Reform would harm FG connected business interests.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    That's what you decided to take from what I said.

    I am referring to the perpetual workshy who are more than capable of earning a living but refuse to do so.

    I pay comedic amounts of tax contributions while also paying off a nice 33 year loan at €2100 pm.

    Why the f should I get the same amount as these parasites if I became unemployed if I've contributed more in a single day than this lot have in their entire lives?

    Maybe the camps you're referring to wouldn't be ideal but a camp that makes them work menial labour to justify their "income" might be worth thinking about ;).

    Untermensch parasites eh? Would you like to humanise these people any more?

    I agree that it's unfair that people who never work a day in their lives get the same pension as every one else. But the amount of people who do this are absolutely tiny.

    Society needs a safety net. An unfortunate side effect of that is some people can take advantage. The vast majority of people won't.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    If you go to Las Vegas you'll be observing a city where all of the casinos on the strip are owned either by two individuals - right wing billionaire scumbags Sheldon Adelson and Steve "rapist' Wynn - or by two corporations: MGM and Caesars. Most people in the city make less than $25,000 a year, have no health insurance and are a single paycheck away from being evicted. They have a quality of life that is absolutely pathetic compared to that of the average person in Ireland. And that's the WORKING populace. The unemployed are living in absolute squalor with zero way out for most of them.

    I've lived in the US for the past 20 years. You literally couldn't pick a better example of the power of right wing capitalism to put vast wealth into the hands of a tiny number at the expense of everyone else than Las Vegas. Your post is a perfect example of just how gullible a certain kind of person on the right wing of politics is these days.

    "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives."

    John Stuart Mill


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Socialism/Communism has killed tens of thousands of times more people than any right wing ideology ever has or ever could.

    Just wrong, once again.

    If we look at Imperialism, the ultimate form of capital enterprise, that alone has killed far more than any number of 20th century Communists.

    The right are always trying to make this false equivalence, while conveniently or ignorantly forgetting other excesses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Wasn't Bertie a closet socialist as well?

    He certainly believed in spending other people's money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    LOL more people died under Communism/Socialism Alone in Holodomor.

    Also why do left folk always ignore the correct name of the Nazi party they love to bring up?.

    National Socialist German Workers' Party

    :rolleyes:

    And AGAIN, trying to make a false equivalence.

    I do some research on the nazis, sunshine, before continuing to make a fool of yourself.

    They were anything BUT Socialist, despite Hitler cynically using the moniker.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Winning_Stroke


    He certainly believed in spending other people's money.

    He massively expanded the state, the public sector, benefits... let's not let Bertie's red credentials be written off :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Winning_Stroke


    Tony EH wrote: »
    "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives."

    John Stuart Mill

    "It's got to be true if a guy from the 19th century said it."

    Every far leftie in Ireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Tony EH wrote: »
    And AGAIN, trying to make a false equivalence.

    I do some research on the nazis, sunshine, before continuing to make a fool of yourself.

    They were anything BUT Socialist, despite Hitler cynically using the moniker.


    Yeah it's a surprisingly persistent Bad History trope.

    The Wages of Destruction, The Making and Breaking of The Nazi Economy by Adam Tooze is a good, albeit fairly dry, book on the actual economics of the Third Reich.
    TLDR the "Socialist" stuff was hyped up and was not really a priority of Hitler's, especially once he got rid of Roehm and his boys (ohhh matron) in the night of the long knives.


  • Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭gibgodsman


    Huge difference between partys that use media to advocate for leftist ideas, and those who actually attempt to implement leftist Ideas. Majority of the large parties are all Right Wing implementations with Leftist advertising


  • Registered Users Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Left wing economic policies reward incompetence and laziness


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    "It's got to be true if a guy from the 19th century said it."

    Every far leftie in Ireland

    No. It's true because it's true.

    A lot of people on the right are just frustrated, miserable, bastards, who's political outlooks are solely defined by things that they hate. They spend an inordinate amount of time whinging about other people, usually some minority group of some description, that passes as a target for all the ills of society, while longing for someone to come along an eliminate those problems, all the while completely misunderstanding that the elimination of those targets won't make their lives any better.

    By the way, there is no "far left" in Ireland, just like they is no "Far right". Using these terms to describe anybody in this country just displays a childish ignorance of what they actually mean.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Tony EH wrote: »
    No. It's true because it's true.

    A lot of people on the right are just frustrated, miserable, bastards, who's political outlooks are solely defined by things that they hate. They spend an inordinate amount of time whinging about other people, usually some minority group of some description, that passes as a target for all the ills of society, while longing for someone to come along an eliminate those problems, all the while completely misunderstanding that the elimination of those targets won't make their lives any better.

    By the way, there is no "far left" in Ireland, just like they is no "Far right". Using these terms to describe anybody in this country just displays a childish ignorance of what they actually mean.

    There’s definitely advocates of far left and far right ideologies in Ireland. They just don’t have a whole lot of support.


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