No right wing alternative= No alternative

ILoveYourVibes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So people voted for sinn fein because it was the respectable thing to do? Pull the other one.

Its definitely NOT socially acceptable or hasn't been here to vote for SF.

I think that is why it surprised RTE ....people who voted SF aren't admitting openly they voted SF or support them.

Mad_maxx

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So people voted for sinn fein because it was the respectable thing to do? Pull the other one.

No shame in being a SF voter

Different story with believing immigration is having a strain on housing etc

Mad_maxx

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its definitely NOT socially acceptable or hasn't been here to vote for SF.

I think that is why it surprised RTE ....people who voted SF aren't admitting openly they voted SF or support them.

SF have been an established part of the public debate for years, to equate them with people who are uneasy about immigration is just off the mark

The hard left have always gotten a warm welcome in the Irish media, Richard boyd Barrett was regularly on RTE years before becoming even a member of Dun Laoighre Council

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Relax, i didn't vote for anyone bar FF and FG

Read back what i said about aprooved respectability

We as a people run in herds

A notion rather at odds with the fragmented nature of who we elect. The number of elected independents in this country is hardly herd behaviour. This is a country all over the shop, but demonstrably disinterested in xenophobia.

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

A notion rather at odds with the fragmented nature of who we elect. The number of elected independents in this country is hardly herd behaviour. This is a country all over the shop, but demonstrably disinterested in xenophobia.

Your last line is a political one

Immigration was never raised once during the campaign by any of the mainstream parties, extraordinary when you consider that housing was the top issue

That elephant is hiding in full view

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Your last line is a political one

Immigration was never raised once during the campaign by any of the mainstream parties, extraordinary when you consider that housing was the top issue

That elephant is hiding in full view

My entire post was a political one - the context is politics.

Immigration was, as polled, not a driver of electorate choices. Along with Brexit, and a bunch of other perfectly interesting, but not compelling issues.

ohnonotgmail

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Your last line is a political one

Immigration was never raised once during the campaign by any of the mainstream parties, extraordinary when you consider that housing was the top issue

That elephant is hiding in full view

It wasn't raised because the electorate dont care about it. Or rather only 1% of them do.

Mad_maxx

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It wasn't raised because the electorate dont care about it. Or rather only 1% of them do.

They don't care about it if you draw accurate conclusions from polls etc

I'm saying as a people we are terribly keen to appear to be on side with aprooved respectability

ohnonotgmail

Mad_maxx wrote: »

They don't care about it if you draw accurate conclusions from polls etc

I'm saying as a people we are terribly keen to appear to be on side with aprooved respectability

Yeah we are fierce hoors for lying in anonymous polls. you can't be trusting us at all. give it a rest. you're talking nonsense.

banie01

The Nal wrote: »

The biggest hope for them was James Reynolds in Longford/Westmeath and he........ he didn't do well.

Their politics, and Gems and her few followers, have been widely rejected countrywide by the Irish people. Every single candidate, every single constituency. Its a no from Ireland.

Of particular note in the wholesale rejection of the far-right IMO, is the outright rejection of their talking and campaign points over the course of the exit poll questionnaire.

I am honestly happy to see that Ireland on the whole is still an outward looking and caring community despite the shrill may saying of the adherents of G'OD, Rowan and co.

Now on to the interesting part of this campaign!
Digging out the spreadsheets to see what way the coalition will rise and if we are...
In one of the most ironic quirks of fate in our history!

Seeing the deathblow to our 2 party civil war politics!
Being dealt by the party that claims to have started it all!

B0jangles

So the argument is that people are so embarrassed about voting for far-right/anti-immigrant candidates, they aren't even willing to do so when it's a secret ballot?

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

They don't care about it if you draw accurate conclusions from polls etc

I'm saying as a people we are terribly keen to appear to be on side with aprooved respectability

People volunteered this information without any prompting to pollsters, knowing that it wouldn’t have their name associated with it.

People voted against this platform in a secret ballot, with all sorts of options available to them.

People can’t do a whole lot more to confirm they really don’t have a concern with immigrants.

Mad_maxx

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Yeah we are fierce hoors for lying in anonymous polls. you can't be trusting us at all. give it a rest. you're talking nonsense.

Like i said earlier, personally I didn't consider voting for any of the micro parties

Mad_maxx

B0jangles wrote: »

So the argument is that people are so embarrassed about voting for far-right/anti-immigrant candidates, they aren't even willing to do so when it's a secret ballot?

Why the need to label them "far right"

Have they accused Jews of running the banks or something?

ohnonotgmail

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Like i said earlier, personally I didn't consider voting for any of the micro parties

What relevance does that have to people not caring about immigration as an election issue?

ohnonotgmail

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Why the need to label them "far right"

Have they accused Jews of running the banks or something?

Because they are. For some of the people we know about there are connections with far right parties in europe that do believe nonsense like that.

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Why the need to label them "far right"

Have they accused Jews of running the banks or something?

Some of them certainly have, and even if they haven’t, their platforms identify them as far right. There’s more to neo-facism than anti-semitism.

The Nal

The salty tears from the butthurt far right loons is my favourite thing about this election. They really thought they were going to do well. They're so disappointed.

Brian?

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Your last line is a political one

Immigration was never raised once during the campaign by any of the mainstream parties, extraordinary when you consider that housing was the top issue

That elephant is hiding in full view

It wasn’t raised because it’s a non issue for most of the electorate.

You know how politics works? People are concerned by something. Politicians closely monitor what people are concerned about. Politicians formulate policy designed to attract votes based on the concerns expressed. People then vote for the parties that best address their concerns, in their opinion.

Immigration isn’t a big enough issue for the politicians to create policy on because it won’t win votes.

There is no silent mass of people waiting to vote for an anti immigration party. They had their chance. They didn’t vote for them.

The Nal

Here are the right wing alternatives.

Robbed, its someone elses work.

alastair

The Nal wrote: »

Here are the right wing alternatives.

Robbed, its someone elses work.

In fairness to Rebecca Barrett, even the poor decision in marrying Justin doesn’t justify calling her Justin.

And James Reynolds, with a stunning 1.74% is missing from the list.

The Nal

alastair wrote: »

In fairness to Rebecca Barrett, even the poor decision in marrying Justin doesn’t justify calling her Justin.

And James Reynolds, with a stunning 1.74% is missing from the list.

Oh is that his missus? Didn't know that.

What a pathetic rabble.

alastair

The Nal wrote: »

Oh is that his missus? Didn't know that.

What a pathetic rabble.

Yeah. It’s definitely his first marriage though. He didn’t get a divorce and any mention of a first wife is just lies. Justin is opposed to divorce. Just ask his first wife.

Loafing Oaf

The Nal wrote: »

Here are the right wing alternatives.

Robbed, its someone elses work.

In fairness, they did well to get that much with George Soris personally stuffing the ballot boxes

Eric Cartman

The Nal wrote: »

Here are the right wing alternatives.

Robbed, its someone elses work.

why did they leave out Aontu considering its basically just renua with fantasy economics instead of real ones.

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

Some of them certainly have, and even if they haven’t, their platforms identify them as far right. There’s more to neo-facism than anti-semitism.

What is "neo fascism"?

Loafing Oaf

Eric Cartman wrote: »

why did they leave out Aontu considering its basically just renua with fantasy economics instead of real ones.

If a party is 'right wing' on just one issue does thar make them right wing?
Anyone know if they got the 2% funding threshold?

Mad_maxx

Eric Cartman wrote: »

why did they leave out Aontu considering its basically just renua with fantasy economics instead of real ones.

Aontú are SF with a pro life position

Eric Cartman

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

If a party is 'right wing' on just one issue does thar make them right wing?
Anyone know if they got the 2% funding threshold?

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Aontú are SF with a pro life position

so abortion isn't enough to make a party alt right , What makes renua alt right then,

alastair

Eric Cartman wrote: »

so abortion isn't enough to make a party alt right , What makes renua alt right then,

Let us count the ways:
Homophobic polices
Anti-immigrant policies
Anti-women policies
Pro militarisation policies
Anti-EU policies
Green passport fetishists