No right wing alternative= No alternative

Loafing Oaf

alastair wrote: »

No, I’m not. Justin got milkshaked by Roisin From SF in Galway.

Her milkshake drives all the far-rightists from Eyre Square
And she's like, my politics are better than yours

Billy Mays

Comparing throwing a milkshake at someone to rape then calling someone else so far gone :eek:

Eric Cartman

throwing milkshakes at people is a scummy act only committed by scumbags, no two ways about it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

When I say there is no Right alternative I include National Party in that.

I did ask some time ago but no one answered: exactly how far right are we talking about here?

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The fact that there are violent individuals on the far left is really no surprise to be honest and they are no better represented in the election results than the far right.

Extremism, as has been proven by the Irish voters is not something that's going to be accepted or endorsed, be it left or right.

super_furry

The right wing alternative is there.

The right wing alternative was on the ballot paper.

The right wing alternative failed and was roundly ignored.

Irish people don't want that kind of politics.

FreeThePants

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I did ask some time ago but no one answered: exactly how far right are we talking about here?

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The fact that there are violent individuals on the far left is really no surprise to be honest and they are no better represented in the election results than the far right.

Extremism, as has been proven by the Irish voters is not something that's going to be accepted or endorsed, be it left or right.

If National Party is too centrist for them the only conclusion is that want a party that will try to violently seize power, or a Putin puppet government that will do r everything it can to isolate us as much as possible and destroy our governmental and media infrastructure. That, or they're trolling.

Not joking, either.

Beasty

Lonesomerhodes

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FreeThePants

FreeThePants wrote: »

If National Party is too centrist for them the only conclusion is that want a party that will try to violently seize power, or a Putin puppet government that will do r everything it can to isolate us as much as possible and destroy our governmental and media infrastructure. That, or they're trolling.

Not joking, either.

Or they just have mental health issues, a common factor in a lot of cases.

If there is ever a chance of someone like the national party getting into power, and I don't see that happening, it'll be from people who are more sneaky about their support, as it's easier to dismiss/ignore someone ranting.

rgossip30

alastair wrote: »

He got milkshaked by a female Shinner. Who has no skinhead haircut, and didn’t appear to be drugged at all.

Seems to be acceptable to verbally and physically attack nationalist candidates .

Lonesomerhodes

rgossip30 wrote: »

Seems to be acceptable to verbally and physically attack nationalist candidates .

People don't understand throwing drinks on someone is a form of assault just like an attack or rape.

What's ironic is attacking someone for being a Nationalist yet supporting Sinn Fein.

(however Sinn Fein sold out a long time ago)

I mean really how stupid can one be?.

I dislike your Nationalist policy but I support a Nationalist party?. :rolleyes:

rgossip30

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

People don't understand throwing drinks on someone is a form of assault just like an attack or rape.

What's ironic is attacking someone for being a Nationalist yet supporting Sinn Fein.

(however Sinn Fein sold out a long time ago)

I mean really how stupid can one be?.

I dislike your Nationalist policy but I support a Nationalist party?. :rolleyes:

Left right left right and so we soldier on .

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

I dislike your racist policy but I support a socialist party?. :rolleyes:

What people are essentyially saying here.

But again: what exactly is the ideal you are stating here? How far from center to the right do you mean? What parites - that poll and score well - exist in other countries do you feel are lacking here?

Because if you can't answer that and you don't know yourself, it's even harder for us to gauge!

Lonesomerhodes

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

What people are essentyially saying here.

But again: what exactly is the ideal you are stating here? How far from center to the right do you mean? What parites - that poll and score well - exist in other countries do you feel are lacking here?

Because if you can't answer that and you don't know yourself, it's even harder for us to gauge!

So a right wing party to me be like France's National Rally.

We need an Irish Marie Le Pen.

For example not afraid to point out African immigrants raping Irish women, like the girl who was held down and gang raped in Donegal in November. 1 just 1 media outlet reported it!.

Skylinehead

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

So a right wing party to me be like France's National Rally.

We need an Irish Marie Le Pen.

For example not afraid to point out African immigrants raping Irish women, like the girl who was held down and gang raped in Donegal in November. 1 just 1 media outlet reported it!.

Nobody wants one. You lost.

Brian?

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

So a right wing party to me be like France's National Rally.

We need an Irish Marie Le Pen.

For example not afraid to point out African immigrants raping Irish women, like the girl who was held down and gang raped in Donegal in November. 1 just 1 media outlet reported it!.

Jean-Marie Le Pen. Father. Marine Le Pen is the daughter. At least get your hero’s name right.

We have many people vying to be the Irish Marine la Pen. They got less than 1% of the vote.

Brian?

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

People don't understand throwing drinks on someone is a form of assault just like an attack or rape.

What's ironic is attacking someone for being a Nationalist yet supporting Sinn Fein.

(however Sinn Fein sold out a long time ago)

I mean really how stupid can one be?.

I dislike your Nationalist policy but I support a Nationalist party?. :rolleyes:

The irony.

Geuze

I consider the following as not realistic candidates: Irish National Party/Irexit/etc., they are not an alternative.


What we need is FG to regain its status as a centre-right party, with the following attributes:

less of the SJW / woke / identity politics crap
reform income tax so that people on average wage 37k don't face the top MTR
reform welfare to encourage non-workers to work
drive down the costs of living
always put workers first in terms of housing / social benefits, etc.

Loafing Oaf

Geuze wrote: »

I consider the following as not realistic candidates: Irish National Party/Irexit/etc., they are not an alternative.


What we need is FG to regain its status as a centre-right party,

FG will never do that until it faces a serious challenge to its right.

Lonesomerhodes

Brian? wrote: »

Jean-Marie Le Pen. Father. Marine Le Pen is the daughter. At least get your hero’s name right.

We have many people vying to be the Irish Marine la Pen. They got less than 1% of the vote.

Well everyone on planet Earth refers to her as Marie Le Pen so it will do me!.

Hero LOL.

That Antifa balaclava get itchy at times?.

(wonder why every Mod on this is hardcore left/Antifa supporting; YOU DO REALIZE YOU SUPPORT AN ORGANISATION THAT ATTACKS CHILDREN ON THE STREET?. VIDEO IS ONLINE)

Lonesomerhodes

Skylinehead wrote: »

Nobody wants one. You lost.

Lost what I didn't run in the GE. :P

I do believe a proper right wing Irish Marie le Pen type clean up with votes in this country.

People are sick of their taxes going on economic migrants while Irish folk die on the street.

CtevenSrowder

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Well everyone on planet Earth refers to her as Marie Le Pen so it will do me!.

Hero LOL.

That Antifa balaclava get itchy at times?.

(wonder why every Mod on this is hardcore left/Antifa supporting; YOU DO REALIZE YOU SUPPORT AN ORGANISATION THAT ATTACKS CHILDREN ON THE STREET?. VIDEO IS ONLINE)

Brian is a mod of fitness not CA or after hours. One of the mods on CA is a (former?) Thatcherite as far as I'm aware. Hardly a supporter of anti-fa.

Brian?

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Well everyone on planet Earth refers to her as Marie Le Pen so it will do me!.

Hero LOL.

No, they don't. At least own your mistake.

That Antifa balaclava get itchy at times?.

Nah. It's a lovely merino wool and lycra mix.

(wonder why every Mod on this is hardcore left/Antifa supporting; YOU DO REALIZE YOU SUPPORT AN ORGANISATION THAT ATTACKS CHILDREN ON THE STREET?. VIDEO IS ONLINE)

A thing or three for you. I mod the fitness forum, it's pretty politically neutral. Unless you get into the politics of crossfit.

I don't support Antifa, but i am definitely anti fascist.

Why the all caps? It looks silly.

Brian?

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Lost what I didn't run in the GE. :P

I do believe a proper right wing Irish Marie le Pen type clean up with votes in this country.

People are sick of their taxes going on economic migrants while Irish folk die on the street.

Where is your evidence for this assertion?

ohnonotgmail

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Lost what I didn't run in the GE. :P

I do believe a proper right wing Irish Marie le Pen type clean up with votes in this country.

People are sick of their taxes going on economic migrants while Irish folk die on the street.

and yet immigration was only an issue for 1% of the electorate in the recent election.

The Nal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and yet immigration was only an issue for 1% of the electorate in the recent election.

And the people who ran exclusively on the immigration issue, like the National Party and Gems crew, got an average of, yep, 1% of the vote.

Its almost like the two are linked....


Well, actually less than 1%. Laughable. Pathetic. Embarrassing.

Lonesomerhodes

Brian? wrote: »

No, they don't. At least own your mistake.



Nah. It's a lovely merino wool and lycra mix.



A thing or three for you. I mod the fitness forum, it's pretty politically neutral. Unless you get into the politics of crossfit.

I don't support Antifa, but i am definitely anti fascist.

Why the all caps? It looks silly.

You don't support Antifa but have been defending them all thread long!. :rolleyes:



Can I ask you why you support an organisation that attacks young children on the streets of Dublin?.
How is that anti-fascist?

Granny15

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Lost what I didn't run in the GE. :P

I do believe a proper right wing Irish Marie le Pen type clean up with votes in this country.

People are sick of their taxes going on economic migrants while Irish folk die on the street.

That's the rights problem particularly FG - they blame everyone else including migrants.

Incapable of looking at themselves and bettering themselves.

Narcissistic self entitled toffs.

In fact they deflect the blame of pilfering the country's money by defelcting - it's unbeleivable what they have gotten away with up to this point.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

So a right wing party to me be like France's National Rally.

We need an Irish Marie Le Pen.

For example not afraid to point out African immigrants raping Irish women, like the girl who was held down and gang raped in Donegal in November. 1 just 1 media outlet reported it!.

That's pretty much what was in offer and it got hammered. Dressing it up like she slightly not-as-far-right as far right doesn't change things: the issues simply weren't as important to 98% of the voters. Your question now should be: why not?

So the answer to your question is: no party exists better the electorate won't support it.

Can't comment on the alleged incident without more info and a link to substantiate it, so I'm not taking that into account

Lonesomerhodes

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That's pretty much what was in offer and it got hammered. Dressing it up like she slightly not-as-far-right as far right doesn't change things: the issues simply weren't as important to 98% of the voters. Your question now should be: why not?

So the answer to your question is: no party exists better the electorate won't support it.

Can't comment on the alleged incident without more info and a link to substantiate it, so I'm not taking that into account

Alleged incident?. Please don't make fun/light of a girl being raped it's not alleged it's fact, found guilty with their DNA all over her.

There's the link to the story of the girl being raped.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/two-donegal-residents-found-guilty-20826446

FreeThePants

Geuze wrote: »

reform welfare to encourage non-workers to work
drive down the costs of living

One provision of this that would be a major benefit would be employment insurance. Basically if you get laid off (anything other than misconduct or quitting) you get about 2/3rds of what you were earnings, for a set period of time like 3-6 months (after which it drops back to standard dole).

Absolutely fantastic setup, avoids huge financial scares for people if a business goes bust, and means an accountant doesn't get stuck in competition for lower skilled or even unskilled jobs just to keep on their feet. Also means far less issues around anxiety, depression etc from being laid off.

Basically if you make €1000 a week and are let go for reasons beyond your control, you go to €600-650 for a while before getting dumped right down to €188 or whatever it is these days.