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No right wing alternative= No alternative
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How much?
Present an actual figure, rather than waffle on about the billions spent.
You seem very intent on painting provision for refugees and asylum seekers as a them versus us scenario, why?
Is it not appropriate for Ireland to provide at least rudimentary accommodation for those who try and avail of the asylum process?
No Ireland owes these people NOTHING same as if I landed in their country why would I assume it owes me a living?.
It's not us vs them those are your words NOT mine.
I'm saying a country should look after it's own citizens first why do people have such a big problem with this? Why can't you even say this?.
If you had bedrooms to spare would you offer them to other people first instead of your own family?.
Of course not.
Anyway these folk aren't coming from war torn countries very very very few of them are.
Again this is mainstream news as the Irish Times article below highlights.
There is umpteen articles on the billions it costs the taxpayer.
You obviously don't know what an asylum seeker is. Very few people are asylum seekers as such lately no wars in their countries for a start.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/increased-funding-to-meet-rising-prison-and-direct-provision-numbers-1.4044065
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/in-20-years-direct-provision-has-cost-ireland-1-3bn-is-there-a-better-alternative-1.4089971
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/concern-over-rise-in-people-seeking-asylum-from-safe-countries-1.3986377?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fconcern-over-rise-in-people-seeking-asylum-from-safe-countries-1.39863770 -
Lonesomerhodes wrote: »No Ireland owes these people NOTHING same as if I landed in their country why would I assume it owes me a living?.
It's not us vs them those are your words NOT mine.
I'm saying a country should look after it's own citizens first why do people have such a big problem with this? Why can't you even say this?.
If you had bedrooms to spare would you offer them to other people first instead of your own family?.
Of course not.
Anyway these folk aren't coming from war torn countries very very very few of them are.
Again this is mainstream news as the Irish Times article below highlights.
There is umpteen articles on the billions it costs the taxpayer.
You obviously don't know what an asylum seeker is. Very few people are asylum seekers as such lately no wars in their countries for a start.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/increased-funding-to-meet-rising-prison-and-direct-provision-numbers-1.4044065
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/in-20-years-direct-provision-has-cost-ireland-1-3bn-is-there-a-better-alternative-1.4089971
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/concern-over-rise-in-people-seeking-asylum-from-safe-countries-1.3986377?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fconcern-over-rise-in-people-seeking-asylum-from-safe-countries-1.3986377
My words, but it's quite clearly your position given the bolded statement on your part.
So you are looking for a party that would promote Xenophobia and outright racism?
I notice that you have once again swerved providing any number for the billions you have mentioned.
Why is that?
Is it because at current spending rates it would amount to €1bln every @9yrs?
Along with the construction of new DP centres meaning that spend is likely to drop?
You are now making it a family issue?
As I should offer my spare bedrooms to kin, rather than stranger...
Seems completely at odds with the good Christian values so many want us to hold dear to?
Looking after our own 1st, is the polite way to be racist.
Its saying ah shut, our own are suffering we should send those who aren't "us" away.
Who decides what "us" is?
You?
Your new political party?
I've funnily enough cz lived abroad and found myself in need of the social security supports and assistance available in a foreign clime.
Should I have been excluded from that support?
Or now that I've blown back into Ireland, should I be excluded from societal supports because I was away long enough to not be one of "us"?
How about you lay out the justification for your "billions" claim?
How about you lay out the criteria for what will count towards being Irish enough to qualify for services in your right wing utopia?0 -
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Sonic_exyouth wrote: »
Is that what you say tot he Guards, Ambulance, Fire Service or Mountain Rescue ?
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super_furry wrote: »Absolutely. That's why you sometimes seem this big disconnect between their grassroots and supporters and leadership - as with the Paddy Holohan thing.
It's was a big headache for the leadership, but the majority or Sinn Fein supporters I saw at least were defending him.
Nobody defended him. He's a twit and not fit to govern in any capacity. He wasn't being racist or homophobic. If Varadkar were single, straight and of French lineage the same points would stand. Stupid points yeah.
The follow on sexist stuff was another thing.
So if I'm reading the SF criticism correctly, they are in support of immigrants coming in, bad, they are racist at grassroots level, bad. Seems legit
I think the Irish are overall too decent to have a U.S style Republican or Alt-Right movement of any size. Casey is a great example or that style of politics, (U.S. Republicanism).0 -
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Lonesomerhodes wrote: »One thing that strikes me about this election is the idea people are voting for change well their really isn't any!.
All left left left and more left parties.
Not one mainstream party in Ireland is even remotely right so how can you have choice if what you vote for is all the same?.
Not a cigarette papers worth of difference between
Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail/ Greens/People before profit/Sinn Fein/Labour etc etc
For example
They all support the EU
they all support abortion,
all support mass immigration into Ireland (in fact won't discuss it at all under any circumstances)
Not one will ask for public referendum on issues
Refuse to acknowledge billions so far has been spent on direct provision centres while the downtrodden poor Irish people die on the streets
Refuse to question the money doctors get from pharmaceutical firms,
refuse to acknowledge the billions Ireland has in oil and gas etc etc etc
They are all basically the same, left leaning gombeens lining their own pockets making fools of the general public.
Worst is them hardcore Marxist parties that come out with stupid names like People before profit or Anti Austerity alliance, amazed such newspeak buzzword simplicity works on people.
All mindless leftie nonsense.
The only right wing party in Ireland I can think of is the National party and they are tiny and will never ever get media coverage. Not that I agree with them on everything a few bits.
(sigh waits for the mindless screaming of racist this and that)
I like some right wing policies ie
Small accountable government.
Pro life- Believe it or not some people believe life is still sacred
Look after our own citizens first, if we can't look after our own how can we possibly look after tens of thousands of other people?.
A return to our own heritage. This is something often over looked in Ireland, we need to value our history culture and language. Easier said than done in a country where the vast majority of people don't speak the native tongue in fact openly desipise and dismiss it but we can make a start.
Hate to see Ireland become a meaningless vassel state to the EU which all mainstream parties support as they will not question the EU on anything!.
So with no right wing alternative how is this General Election offering ANY alternative?.
Bit of a joke if you ask me.
You have just made me realise, our main political parties aren't all that bad.
That's just democracy at work.0 -
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