General Election TV debates

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Don’t talk about expediency when a Sinn Fein apology to a murder victims family comes 13 years after the murder, 2 days before an election.
Please.

Which addresses the point I made, how?

Which would be better for the Quinn family, the gang behind Paul's murder broken up and in prison or an apology from a SF minister?

maccored

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Don’t talk about expediency when a Sinn Fein apology to a murder victims family comes 13 years after the murder, 2 days before an election.
Please.

why are SF apologising? Has FF and FG apologised to?

ELM327

maccored wrote: »

why are SF apologising? Has FF and FG apologised to?

I didnt know that FF/FG were involved and were opposed to the SCC?

maccored

ELM327 wrote: »

I didnt know that FF/FG were involved and were opposed to the SCC?

and the SCC has what to do with a murder in the north? In fact what do SF have to do with that murder? I've been waiting all day on that answer

James Brown

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So now your saying that you hope the mother who you say you feel for doesn’t get what she says would make her feel better?

Right. Very clear, honest position there.

If she wants an apology for something that SF lad said it's his personal call quite frankly unless it was false, then he certainly should. If the lad was involved in criminality, I might apoloigise for using her son as a soundbite, but not the content, if true.
FF/FG's time might be better spent being genuine and looking into the case beyond this election IMO. Years before would have been nice too.
Would you apologise to her if it made her feel better or would you insist it had nothing to do with you?

FrancieBrady

ELM327 wrote: »

I didnt know that FF/FG were involved and were opposed to the SCC?

It isn't too long ago that the Garda Commissioner was dismissing claims that the border was a 'lawless zone'.

What have FG and FF ever done about border smuggling?

When a Quinn executive is beaten savagely they can task the GC to act and get things sorted pronto, having ignored 8yrs of similar intimidation and even attacks on the gardai themselves.

No questions to ask there?

optogirl

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It is easy to find out what benefits an area gets by having a senior government minister or in particular a Taoiseach representing them. I find it strange that someone would not believe that to be the case. Mayo during the last government enjoyed significantly more that its share of Lotto funding, guess who was the Taoiseach then and the minister .

Who doesn't believe it? I asked if it bears out. I didn't say it's not true.

AudreyHepburn

ELM327 wrote: »

I didnt know that FF/FG were involved and were opposed to the SCC?

They’re not involved at all. Anyone with any sense would know that.

The amount of hiding of heads in the sand and deflection when it comes to the dark side of Sinn Fein is frightening.

ML’s inability or unwillingness to answer the tough questions last night tells me all I need to know about her and her party.

maccored

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

They’re not involved at all. Anyone with any sense would know that.

The amount of hiding of heads in the sand and deflection when it comes to the dark side of Sinn Fein is frightening.

this is deflection. the SCC has no jurisdiction in Armagh. SF isnt linked to the murderers - so lets get back to the point .... why do SF have to apologise but no-one else does?

Edgware

optogirl wrote: »

Does that really bear out? Do constituencies of Taoisigh benefit? If anything I would presume that your 'local' representation is actually gone given the workload of a Taoiseach.

This constituency had a Taoiseach for 10 years

realdanbreen

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I remember the murder and disappearance of Jean McConville was used against Adams but with MLMcD now in charge the media attention must turn to something more recent and Paul Quinn replaces Jean McConville.
Same old bias from RTE, the names only change.

The cheek of them! Bringing up all those murders!

AudreyHepburn

maccored wrote: »

this is deflection. the SCC has no jurisdiction in Armagh. SF isnt linked to the murderers - so lets get back to the point .... why do SF have to apologise but no-one else does?

Who says no else has to? That’s beside the point tbh.

My problem is that there are an awful lot of people who are apparently prepared to act as of Sinn Fein’s darker elements don’t matter in order to vote them into power.

charlie14

maccored wrote: »

this is deflection. the SCC has no jurisdiction in Armagh. SF isnt linked to the murderers - so lets get back to the point .... why do SF have to apologise but no-one else does?

Paul Quinn was murdered near Oram in County Monaghan.

James Brown

realdanbreen wrote: »

The cheek of them! Bringing up all those murders!

I'm sure the families appreciate the attention, alas it's not genuine nor heartfelt. They should really be chasing the authorities.

gormdubhgorm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Decrying using victims to score points.

This SF narrative of using victims to score points is a handy deflection argument.
But every time I hear it I think of Mary Lou walking over dead bodies trying to pretend it never happened.

Or maybe someone covered her eyes

https://i.imgur.com/m0zW5uA.mp4

misterme123

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I doubt it. Do you think the woman only began raising the issue in the last week? Or maybe FF/FG/RTE only heard about Paul Quinn this week, like most of us I'd imagine.

The murder was a notable news story at the time. Many people who only occasionally read the news would remember the case even if his killers hadn't been connected to Sinn Féin. That you never heard of it doesn't mean anything.

1641

maccored wrote: »

this is deflection. the SCC has no jurisdiction in Armagh. SF isnt linked to the murderers - so lets get back to the point .... why do SF have to apologise but no-one else does?

Absolutely - In just the same way as the National Socialist Party had no links to the Brownshirts.

realdanbreen

The fake tweet which scuppered Sean Gallagher in the presidential election has come back to haunt SF.Mary lou had her Sean Gallagher moment Last night!

Sarcozies

Does anyone else think it's odd that immigration didn't come up once last night? I don't care what side of the aisle your views are on, the fact it was not even up for discussion is so suspicious.

elperello

maccored wrote: »

this is deflection. the SCC has no jurisdiction in Armagh. SF isnt linked to the murderers - so lets get back to the point .... why do SF have to apologise but no-one else does?

Presumably because Conor Murphy said Paul Quinn was involved in criminality.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/conor-murphy-discusses-paul-quinn-being-involved-in-criminality-in-interview-clip-38928671.html

maccored

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Who says no else has to? That’s beside the point tbh.

My problem is that there are an awful lot of people who are apparently prepared to act as of Sinn Fein’s darker elements don’t matter in order to vote them into power.

You are saying no-one has to when you say ff and fg dont need to apologise. Why do sf?

You second point makes no sense - unless youve never heard of whats been happening up the road

FrancieBrady

elperello wrote: »

Presumably because Conor Murphy said Paul Quinn was involved in criminality.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/conor-murphy-discusses-paul-quinn-being-involved-in-criminality-in-interview-clip-38928671.html

As posted elsewhere, Bertie Ahern indicated the same to the Dáil, no less.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112454019&postcount=1992

SafeSurfer

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If she wants an apology for something that SF lad said it's his personal call quite frankly unless it was false, then he certainly should. If the lad was involved in criminality, I might apoloigise for using her son as a soundbite, but not the content, if true.
FF/FG's time might be better spent being genuine and looking into the case beyond this election IMO. Years before would have been nice too.
Would you apologise to her if it made her feel better or would you insist it had nothing to do with you?

“That Sinn Fein lad”. He is the minister for finance in Northern Ireland.

I would apologise if I had called the woman’s murdered son a criminal. Lied about it. Then only told the truth when caught out about it on live TV.

maccored

elperello wrote: »

Presumably because Conor Murphy said Paul Quinn was involved in criminality.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/conor-murphy-discusses-paul-quinn-being-involved-in-criminality-in-interview-clip-38928671.html

Going by the info he received, yes he did. How do you know he is incorrect?

James Brown

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This SF narrative of using victims to score points is a handy deflection argument.
But every time I hear it I think of Mary Lou walking over dead bodies trying to pretend it never happened.

Or maybe someone covered her eyes

https://i.imgur.com/m0zW5uA.mp4

No. The argument is it's nothing to do with ML, or in the Quinn case SF at all, even historically.
The reasoning for FF/FG being full of it with the faux concern is using victims to score points.

You seen this?

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Interesting comment by Bertie Ahern in 2007:

The murder in Monaghan last month of Paul Quinn "was not paramilitary but pertained to feuds about criminality that were taking place", the Taoiseach told the Dáil.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/garda-says-quinn-killing-a-criminal-feud-ahern-1.982248?mode=amp

James Brown

misterme123 wrote: »

The murder was a notable news story at the time. Many people who only occasionally read the news would remember the case even if his killers hadn't been connected to Sinn Féin. That you never heard of it doesn't mean anything.

It means it wasn't an issue worth mentioning by FF/FG until very recently, which is my actual point.

James Brown

1641 wrote: »

Absolutely - In just the same way as the National Socialist Party had no links to the Brownshirts.

Ouch, you're thinking of Fine Gael and the blueshirts.

James Brown

realdanbreen wrote: »

The fake tweet which scuppered Sean Gallagher in the presidential election has come back to haunt SF.Mary lou had her Sean Gallagher moment Last night!

The country dodged a bullet there, (no pun intended). The contents were legitimate.

James Brown

SafeSurfer wrote: »

“That Sinn Fein lad”. He is the minister for finance in Northern Ireland.

I would apologise if I had called the woman’s murdered son a criminal. Lied about it. Then only told the truth when caught out about it on live TV.

I don't have the names of every minister up north on the tip of my tongue.
Good for you.

misterme123

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It isn't too long ago that the Garda Commissioner was dismissing claims that the border was a 'lawless zone'.

What have FG and FF ever done about border smuggling?

When a Quinn executive is beaten savagely they can task the GC to act and get things sorted pronto, having ignored 8yrs of similar intimidation and even attacks on the gardai themselves.

No questions to ask there?

The Gardaí response to border smuggling has been insufficient. But focussing on that as a way to defend the people actually doing the smuggling is laughably illogical. Can you not see that?