General Election TV debates

Life long FG voter but prob gonna vote for SF.

lawred2

I think I'm voting SF.

FFG candidates in Fingal turn me cold.

easypazz

realdanbreen wrote: »

The scary thing is that someone who's on here all the time and apparently follows politics is still of the opinion that either FF or FG will go into government with SF! Both FF and FG regard SF as toxic as do 80% of the electorate so it would be political hari kari to touch them.

FG wont have the numbers, and by the sounds of things will be well beaten, I expect them to declare early that they want to into opposition.

That leaves FF/SF and a few others as probably the only option.

Failing that Leo has said as a last resort FG will prop up FF, and hope deep down FF cant deliver their promises and after 3 budgets FG get another shot.

davycc

I'm voting Sinn Fein too. Denise Mitchell Dublin bay north #1!

gormdubhgorm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The key here tipp Gunner was the accident with the machinery was an accident. In NI there are 'accidents' or 'unfortunate incidents' with political undertones/excuses.

Big difference.

You've ignored the other two incidents ive mentioned very conveniently. These murders happened under the FG governments watch because quite frankly FG dont give a flying fúck about ordinary people. Policing, healthcare, and housing have all fallen off the cliff under their watch.

As for the incident with the machinery, it was absolute wrecklessness. And why get machinery to move a tent?? it may have been an accident but should never have happened. Im no supporter of Sinn Fein but im not falling for these blueshirt psychos and their sudden sense of morality :rolleyes:
We were asked to commemorate the black and tans and the RIC who apparently were 'only doing their jobs'. They can fúck off.

ricero

Cowardly and weasel like by Simon Harris. Embarrassing stuff for him not to attend on his doorstep.

easypazz

gmisk wrote: »

Yep they mentioned it right at start and a few times when FG came up.

Eoghan Murphy also seems to have gone into hiding

And Timmy Dooley to be fair.

And lisa Chambers.

No doubt they will all reappear.

Unlike Sinn Fein, when you are disappeared you are gone for good, your body wont ever be found.

ricero

Voting Sinn Fein in dun laoghaire.

Was a labour voter in the past before this but never again.

easypazz

easypazz wrote: »

FG wont have the numbers, and by the sounds of things will be well beaten, I expect them to declare early that they want to into opposition.

That leaves FF/SF and a few others as probably the only option.

Failing that Leo has said as a last resort FG will prop up FF, and hope deep down FF cant deliver their promises and after 3 budgets FG get another shot.

Not having a go at you but Im vomiting at the thoughts of what you just said... Why cant we just vote a brand spanking new party in who puts the Irish people first?

McMurphy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What's 'scary' about a FF leader, particularly, doing an about face after an election?

I said it before, if the only option for Michael Martin to become Taoiseach is a deal with SF, he will find the words to do it.

I get the feeling the realdanbreen is a realFFdiehard.

easypazz wrote: »

FG wont have the numbers, and by the sounds of things will be well beaten, I expect them to declare early that they want to into opposition.

That leaves FF/SF and a few others as probably the only option.

Failing that Leo has said as a last resort FG will prop up FF, and hope deep down FF cant deliver their promises and after 3 budgets FG get another shot.

I doubt very much leo will still be leader by Easter if they suffer as big a seat loss as is being predicted.

Mantis Toboggan

Voting for the shinners also but don't expect them to get more than 20 seats.

lawred2

ricero wrote: »

Cowardly and weasel like by Simon Harris. Embarrassing stuff for him not to attend on his doorstep.

Himself and Murphy have been buried by FG HQ for this election campaign.. an obvious attempt by FG to try and not talk about where they are failing the most.

FrancieBrady

gmisk wrote: »

Or another confidence and supply with FG with him as taoiseach?

Which the electorate will treat the same as this one.

I think what this campaign has illustrated clearly is that the electorate's patience is not unlimited. They are looking for change and they are looking past the powerswap for that change. All the way up to the 50-65 demographic people are saying they will consider voting SF.

That is huge and it has clearly unsettled. FF and FG are rattled and their various supporters on here are turning on SF and the electorate itself. Just look at the last few pages for the disparaging comments about voters.

Zetor19

A different poll out tonight sf 25 Ff 22 tans 17 😀

McMurphy

lawred2 wrote: »

Himself and Murphy have been buried by FG HQ for this election campaign.. an obvious attempt by FG to try and not talk about where they are failing the most.

Nail on head.

lawred2

Zetor19 wrote: »

A different poll out tonight sf 25 Ff 22 tans 17 😀

Tans never ceases to crack me up

An analogy.

On February 8th you will be given a choice of 2 Circuses. Duffys or Fossetts. Both have same amount of clowns.....Which one will you vote for?

:rolleyes:

easypazz

McMurphy wrote: »

I get the feeling the realdanbreen is a realFFdiehard.




I doubt very much leo will still be leader by Easter if they suffer as big a seat loss as is being predicted.

I'd speculate they will leave him until the time is right. If a FF/SF coalition is formed then they will be in no rush. Let the dust settle first.

emo72

lawred2 wrote: »

Himself and Murphy have been buried by FG HQ for this election campaign.. an obvious attempt by FG to try and not talk about where they are failing the most.

Now that you mention it I haven't heard from them in weeks.

Spanish Eyes

IMV anyone who votes SF has blood on their hands. Easy enough to Scratch a box, but that is your choice.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No doubt about it, SF is a party of many different voices and opinions.
Adams and McG were masters at keeping them all onside and on message mostly.
I think history will look kindly on their achievement there tbh.

I don't get the sense SF were ready for this. I don't think anyone was really.

Fair enough- then they're probably "reacting" rather than "responding", which is not a nice place to be in an election.

Personally speaking, I think this shows up their limitations- they didn't have a vision- they went blindly into this election in their normal mode of "attack the opposition" on the basis they might increase their seats by a few, which was a reasonable expectation- and just didn't know what to do, or how to handle, the surge in support.

Like I said, IMHO, it was a hugely missed opportunity- and I think by your replies, you don't disagree.

Have to say, fair play to you defending the party you love- I don't agree with SF policies so I won't be voting for them. But maybe other parties need to devote time to passionate defending, as you do. The world is changing fast and it's becoming he/she who shouts, not loudest, but with as much simplicity and through the right channels, with the words that resonate most with the voters, that will win elections.

This Leadership debate was one of the blandest i've seen- but the next one, after this election, I'm expecting "fireworks" - because I think all parties will realise, that their current approach is 40 years out of date.

lawred2

Charlie Kelly is a looper anyway

McMurphy

easypazz wrote: »

I'd speculate they will leave him until the time is right. If a FF/SF coalition is formed then they will be in no rush. Let the dust settle first.

I've literally my money on a FF minority govt, so we'll see I suppose.

I said ages ago that Varadkar had no hope whatsoever of leading FG back to govt under his own steam when he was shunted into his position over coveney, and I think I'm going to be proven right.

I am also on record of guessing that Madigan could lose her seat as a direct consequence of her and Maria Bailey's shenanigans.

Not long to see how it pans out now.

easypazz

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

IMV anyone who votes SF has blood on their hands. Easy enough to Scratch a box, but that is your choice.

FF and FG have stabbed me more times than SF ever could

Bunny Colvin

Haha that guy was on the Freeman Mega thread. First time seeing him talk, he's certainly living up to his reputation.

charlie14

tayto lover wrote: »

If Martin refuses to form a Govt with SF then I believe he’ll be ousted. He will definitely change his mind before that happens. He’s not stupid and will want to lead a Govt. There seems to be plenty of FF members in favour of it.

There is another possibility that I don`t think anybody has considered.


If those predictions are anyway close, Martin could go for a minority government with Lab and the Greens and a side deal with a few generic FF TD`s as back-up for tight Dail votes.

All that would require is FG not proposing Varadkar and abstaining from the vote on Martin for Taoiseach.
Maybe a bit off the wall, but is it not a possibility ?

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

I've literally my money on a FF minority govt, so we'll see I suppose.

I said ages ago that Varadkar had no hope whatsoever of leading FG back to govt under his own steam when he was shunted into his position over coveney, and I think I'm going to be proven right.

I am also on record of guessing that Madigan could lose her seat as a direct consequence of her and Maria Bailey's shenanigans.

Not long to see how it pans out now.

I don't think you're wrong, and if you are, not by much (in that Leo just might scrape it by the narrowest of margins)- SO! what's your prediction on another General Election in the next 18 months? :P

Water John

Well If MM takes in Soc Dems as well, the number may go over 80. Both Roisin and Catherine are two of the best TDs in the Dail.
This I hope would be a good, social Govn't.

charlie14

McMurphy wrote: »

I've literally my money on a FF minority govt, so we'll see I suppose.

I said ages ago that Varadkar had no hope whatsoever of leading FG back to govt under his own steam when he was shunted into his position over coveney, and I think I'm going to be proven right.

I am also on record of guessing that Madigan could lose her seat as a direct consequence of her and Maria Bailey's shenanigans.

Not long to see how it pans out now.

Apologies.
I thought I was the first to mention the possibility of a minority government.:o

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair enough- then they're probably "reacting" rather than "responding", which is not a nice place to be in an election.

Personally speaking, I think this shows up their limitations- they didn't have a vision- they went blindly into this election in their normal mode of "attack the opposition" on the basis they might increase their seats by a few, which was a reasonable expectation- and just didn't know what to do, or how to handle, the surge in support.

Like I said, IMHO, it was a hugely missed opportunity- and I think by your replies, you don't disagree.

Have to say, fair play to you defending the party you love- I don't agree with SF policies so I won't be voting for them. But maybe other parties need to devote time to passionate defending, as you do. The world is changing fast and it's becoming he/she who shouts, not loudest, but with as much simplicity and through the right channels, with the words that resonate most with the voters, that will win elections.

This Leadership debate was one of the blandest i've seen- but the next one, after this election, I'm expecting "fireworks" - because I think all parties will realise, that their current approach is 40 years out of date.

If you think I 'love' any political party then you are sadly mistaken.

I recognise all their foibles and the bluster and the bull****. I also recognise what they achieve and do.

In 4 years time we will be back here arguing and debating the merits and faults of those going forward for election...how many of the manifesto promises of any of the parties do you think will be fulfilled? They will like the ones the last time and the time before that, be forgotten and people will cod themselves that the glossy new ones are relevant and true. What do they say about one born every minute?