General Election TV debates

easypazz

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Are SF being criticised for this 'lack of ambition' or is it just seen as one of those things. Is anyone calling for parties to be allowed to adjust their tickets closer to the election?

I doubt SF saw this coming, and after the locals and Europeans were more focused on holding their own.

4 years ago FF may have won more seats if they had ran more candidates, but never expected to do as well as they did.

elperello

maccored wrote: »

that was mid 80s.

Hamsterchops wrote: »

82, 83, 84...

Just to clarify the Ballot box/Armalite quote is from Danny Morrison speaking at the Sinn Fein Ard Fheis 1981.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/the-year-of-hunger-strikes-the-ballot-box-and-the-armalite-1.437930

Loafing Oaf

easypazz wrote: »

I doubt SF saw this coming, and after the locals and Europeans were more focused on holding their own.

Yeah just three weeks ago they removed Chris MacManus from the ticket in Sligo-Leitrim to ensure Martin Kenny's seat wasn't jeopardised, so the surge has clearly blindsided them as much as anybody. I suppose there's an argument that political parties should always be expecting and planning for the best outcome.

FG seem to have made the opposite mistake in Meath West and possibly elsewhere. They've gone with three candidates in the hope of winning two, and now it looks like they may well end up with none.

maccored

elperello wrote: »

Just to clarify the Ballot box/Armalite quote is from Danny Morrison speaking at the Sinn Fein Ard Fheis 1981.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/the-year-of-hunger-strikes-the-ballot-box-and-the-armalite-1.437930

which makes it even more relevant to an election in 2020 .....

McMurphy

Anyone else listening to Eoghan Harris losing his shlt on Newstalk?

Muahahaha

Final TV debate tonight on TV3. Will be Simon Coveney and Pearse Doherty, not sure who FF are putting up, Dara Calleary?

is_that_so

McMurphy wrote: »

Anyone else listening to Eoghan Harris losing his shlt on Newstalk?

Why would you put yourself through that?!

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Anyone else listening to Eoghan Harris losing his shlt on Newstalk?

Had the volume too high when I switched over...need ear drops!

FrancieBrady

Muahahaha wrote: »

Final TV debate tonight on TV3. Will be Simon Coveney and Pearse Doherty, not sure who FF are putting up, Dara Calleary?

All party?

redmgar

SF wont even make 20%, every election they poll higher than they actually get.
They will claim the third highest number of seats, and then if the do become the junior party in a coalition they will be destroyed.

Jinglejangle69

Some wan on RTÉ 1 there just waiting on her forever home from DCC, her words not mine!!

Why not like

McMurphy

Harris has Twitter in meltdown, don't think M.M needs this kind of reaction.

Arseways reaction.


Take a look at these search results: https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Eoghan%20Harris%22&s=09

easypazz

redmgar wrote: »

SF wont even make 20%, every election they poll higher than they actually get.
They will claim the third highest number of seats, and then if the do become the junior party in a coalition they will be destroyed.

Looks a bit different this time.

Muahahaha

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All party?

AFAIK just FFG & SF deputy leaders debating tonight

McMurphy wrote: »

Anyone else listening to Eoghan Harris losing his shlt on Newstalk?

Yeah heard it just there, Harris was doing his best to equate the election of SF to the rise of the Nazis. I mean he basically said that if SF get elected then we are going down the road of ethnic cleansing. Then he went on to say how people should vote for Michael Martin and Brendan Howlin if they want radical change, that was the bit that had me spitting out my tea

lawred2

He's only brought on to generate tweets and texts. He's a content creator for newstalk.

I Am The Law

McMurphy wrote: »

Anyone else listening to Eoghan Harris losing his shlt on Newstalk?

Thought he died years ago.

James Brown

McMurphy wrote: »

Anyone else listening to Eoghan Harris losing his shlt on Newstalk?

He's an irrelevant crank.
Lapsed communist

FrancieBrady

Muahahaha wrote: »

AFAIK just FFG & SF deputy leaders debating tonight



Yeah heard it just there, Harris was doing his best to equate the election of SF to the rise of the Nazis. I mean he basically said that if SF get elected then we are going down the road of ethnic cleansing. Then he went on to say how people should vote for Michael Martin and Brendan Howlin if they want radical change, that was the bit that had me spitting out my tea

I think he said 'Ethnic cleansing was the inevitable end of the SF project'.

His effortless seguing into the comparison of a song from Cabaret The Film to Tiocaigh Ár Lá was awesome.

McMurphy

I Am The Law wrote: »

Thought he died years ago.

He belongs to a breed of dying dinosaurs alright, but he's still alive and spewing his bile.

Sir Oxman

Muahahaha wrote: »

AFAIK just FFG & SF deputy leaders debating tonight



Yeah heard it just there, Harris was doing his best to equate the election of SF to the rise of the Nazis. I mean he basically said that if SF get elected then we are going down the road of ethnic cleansing. Then he went on to say how people should vote for Michael Martin and Brendan Howlin if they want radical change, that was the bit that had me spitting out my tea

That overhyped Mairead McGuinness one came out with a more mannerly out-of-the-side-of-her-mouth equation of SF with Nazis when she was warbling about her visit to Auschwitz the other day - 'we need to be careful with our democracy in regards to the election' says the Blueshirt party member.


The pearl clutching is fckin hilarious.

Sir Oxman

lawred2 wrote: »

He's only brought on to generate tweets and texts. He's a content creator for newstalk.

Yup, there he is trending #1 on Twitter.

Even SO'R had to ask McDowell what the fck he was on about this morning in his rant.


It's the last putsch, I mean push by the learned upstanding members of our society to preserve the duopoly.

James Brown

The only thing concerning me about such matters is the fact that the media will show such bias. It's disgusting. SF aren't even in government.

elperello

maccored wrote: »

which makes it even more relevant to an election in 2020 .....

Historical accuracy is always relevant.

James Brown

elperello wrote: »

Historical accuracy is always relevant.

As Charlie Tan-again found out.

charlie14

Matt Barrett wrote: »

He's an irrelevant crank.
Lapsed communist

He has been as crazy as a bag of cats for at least the last 20 years.

Mad irrelevant old fart.

Idbatterim

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The only thing concerning me about such matters is the fact that the media will show such bias. It's disgusting. SF aren't even in government.

you are surprised about this, the montrose parasites would be hit with higher taxes... of course they would be worried

James Brown

elperello wrote: »

Historical accuracy is always relevant.

As Charlie Tan-again found out.

blanch152

Suckit wrote: »

A lady was just on Joooooeeee Duffy.
I didn't hear the beginning of what she was speaking about, it sounded like local teens causing trouble. Joe asked would she not speak to her local TD about it when they come knocking, she said that nobody has knocked yet, and anyway, she is sick of all the false promises and lies from them, at this stage she is thinking of voting SF.
She's not the only one, there are thousands out there.

FG and FF can go on about Paul Quinn until they are blue in the face, and they can talk about SF's paramilitary links and that they are not a normal party etc..
Basically, they can keep reminding everyone where SF came from and their past, all they like.
The one thing that they themselves need to realise, is that most of people that plan to vote SF this weekend already know that. They are well aware of all of those things and more, yet are still going to vote for them, and these aren't the SF loyal.
They are the average person at home.

Why will they be likely to vote for them?
Because FF and FG have driven them to it.
It is as simple as that. So instead of looking around and giving out about the other parties, maybe they should be looking at the massive f*ck up they themselves have put themselves in, and what they can do (really do, actually physically make happen) about it to win them back.
A good start would be to end the lies, the false promises, the cronyism and the 'loyal to us' benefits.
The easy stuff, that doesn't cost anything to fix.
If they are lucky enough to get the chance again, those should be the first things to be addressed. Not mentioned, just proven.

If she went to Sinn Fein, those young kids messing around would end up like Paul Quinn

Loafing Oaf

Muahahaha wrote: »

Then he went on to say how people should vote for Michael Martin and Brendan Howlin if they want radical change

Was he still talking about Leo "leaving the door on the latch" for SF. Been banging that drum for a while, without a shred of supporting evidence...

This is it

Is there another leaders debate on tonight? I read it was on VM 1 but there's nothing listed when I check entertainment.ie