General Election TV debates

gormdubhgorm

easypazz wrote: »

I doubt Boris, or the Tories, were the first to do it either.

I don't anything wrong with it TBH.

NIMAN

I think there is another one on soon, isn't there?
Just Leo and Michael again?

Think I've had enough now, don't see what they would discuss or say that they haven't done already.

An Ciarraioch

7-way one again on VM1 at 9.30 tonight.

easypazz

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

7-way one again on VM1 at 9.30 tonight.

7 way or 2 way.

Can nobody in TV spot the gap in the market to have a 3 way between the big three parties?

gormdubhgorm

easypazz wrote: »

7 way or 2 way.

Can nobody in TV spot the gap in the market to have a 3 way between the big three parties?

Sinn Fein would love that to be viewed as the 'credible' alternative to Tweedledee and Tweedledum. But I cannot see it offering anything new other than being easier to manage than 7.

It would give SF a lift in status to be mentioned in the same breath as FG/FF.
It is obvious SF are just playing the long game as those who remember the troubles die off - and the hardliner SF people with the shady pasts die off as well.
It will be decades and decades before SF are viewed as the real alternative with the majority of the electorate as a result.

Plus FG/FF would be clever enough not to give SF a chance to be given elevated status in such a debate. As it could make them appear to be softening in thier stance with SF.

Such a debate would be interesting though as Martin would have to back FG over SF. While SF could attack both as parties of the 'establishment'.

Muahahaha

easypazz wrote: »

7 way or 2 way.

Can nobody in TV spot the gap in the market to have a 3 way between the big three parties?

Its 7 way tonight and then 2 way on RTE on Tuesday which is the last TV debate before polling day. Tonights debate will have Mick Barry taking over from Richard Boyd Barret and Catherine Murphy standing in for Roisin Shorthall.

The penultimate TV debate of the general election campaign takes place on Thursday night. Seven party leaders will go head-to-head with just nine days left until voting. Leo Varadkar, Micheál Martin, Mary Lou McDonald, Brendan Howlin, Eamon Ryan, Mick Barry and Catherine Murphy will take part in the debate on Virgin Media One at 9.30pm.


It is the last all-party debate planned with the final TV slot being a head-to-head between Taoisech Leo Varadkar and Fianna Fáil Micheál Martin next week.

Id defintely expect Ivan Yates to go for Mary Lou over the Ard Comhairle issue. Though he interviewed her in depth on Newstalk last week and she was well able for him.

Catherine Murphy needs to speak up tonight as Roisin Shortall was very quiet the other night. Michael Martin needs to land at least some blows on Leo.

James Brown

easypazz wrote: »

7 way or 2 way.

Can nobody in TV spot the gap in the market to have a 3 way between the big three parties?

They don't want to give any party equal status to FF/FG. It's those two or an all in.

Calhoun

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Sinn Fein would love that to be viewed as the 'credible' alternative to Tweedledee and Tweedledum. But I cannot see it offering anything new other than being easier to manage than 7.

It would give SF a lift in status to be mentioned in the same breath as FG/FF.
It is obvious SF are just playing the long game as those who remember the troubles die off - and the hardliner SF people with the shady pasts die off as well.
It will be decades and decades before SF are viewed as the real alternative with the majority of the electorate as a result.

Plus FG/FF would be clever enough not to give SF a chance to be given elevated status in such a debate. As it could make them appear to be softening in thier stance with SF.

Such a debate would be interesting though as Martin would have to back FG over SF. While SF could attack both as parties of the 'establishment'.

It's not even the troubles that they need to get past, look at the case of Maria Cahill and how they handled that.

The legacy of that is still ongoing as she had to worry about her safety.

Until they get their ducks in a row and act like the legal system in ireland means a damn they don't deserve to be treated like they are politically credible.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/mairia-cahill-in-legal-bid-to-stop-election-candidates-being-forced-to-publish-address-38456861.html

SafeSurfer

I think Sinn Fein should be part of a three way debate. With over 20 seats they are not a fringe party any more. Having only FF/FG debate plays into SFs hands to establish them as a radical alternative to the status quo and serves to keep their policy proposals away from scrutiny.

Loafing Oaf

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think Sinn Fein should be part of a three way debate. With over 20 seats they are not a fringe party any more.

But if you did that Labour and Sol-PBP would be clamouring to join the party, as they are near in seat totals to SF than SF are to FG or FF. And if them why not the Greens and SDs? And the whole thing becomes a chaotic shouting match...

tobsey

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think Sinn Fein should be part of a three way debate. With over 20 seats they are not a fringe party any more. Having only FF/FG debate plays into SFs hands to establish them as a radical alternative to the status quo and serves to keep their policy proposals away from scrutiny.

Mary Lou is not trying to be Taoiseach. The head to heads are between to two candidates for that role. The leaders debate gives all the leaders an opportunity. If SF had put forward 70 odd candidates so that they had some prospect of leading government then she would have a case to be included. However they’re only running 42 and have no chance of being the leading party in a government.

mgn

Good man Ivan, straight in no bullsh*it.

Sir Oxman

Ivan straight in with the insults!
Who put Tinkerbell beside Varadkar?

mzungu

Ivan in with the put-downs!

Matt taking no crap.

Jinglejangle69

Matt is the worst presenter in TV and radio.

mzungu

Ivan dialling up the showmanship tonight.

Kermit.de.frog

Eamon Ryan looking increasingly dis-shevelled these day.

The Rape of Lucretia

Brendan Howlin is tiny even when he moves to the extreme left.

Sir Oxman

Everyone is on their shouting game tonight.

L1011

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think Sinn Fein should be part of a three way debate. With over 20 seats they are not a fringe party any more. Having only FF/FG debate plays into SFs hands to establish them as a radical alternative to the status quo and serves to keep their policy proposals away from scrutiny.

Numerous pre 2011 elections where Labour had a >20 seat count had potential Taoiseach only debates.





This one tonight is a ****ing mess already and not everyone has spoken yet.

easypazz

9 way shout down.

Westernyelp

Matt is embarrassing

easypazz

Here comes Munter Murphy.

jammiedodgers

Howlin up on his tip toes

mgn

Mick Barry all for taxing the rich to build houses for the usual clowns that never done a days work in their lives.

Muahahaha

mzungu wrote: »

Ivan in with the put-downs!

Matt taking no crap.

Defintely seems like the producers have told Matt & Ivan to go full scorched earth tonight, its a different debate to the Claire Byrne one

Utopia Parkway

Ivan and Matt are speaking more than the candidates. It’s a 9 way debate.

L1011

Murphy is even worse than Shortall, jesus. She sounds like she's about to start crying. She is far more capable in the Dáil.

elperello

It's not a debate it's a shouting match.

CFlat

It's all a bit aggressive by the moderators.