General Election TV debates

FrancieBrady

Muahahaha wrote: »

Mind telling us what it is costing you Francie? One of my mates confided that if their eldest kid doesnt get a place in his preference universities in Dublin there will be a silver lining in that at least the rent in other cities will be cheaper. Its a shocking state of affairs for parents who just want to give their kids the best chance possible.

My partner would have the exact figure, but one is in an IT and the other is doing a trade qualification, between them fees are coming in around 5000 for the year, one can live at home so rent for the other is 450 a month and then there is a host of other costs for trips, equipment and books, travel and laptops etc. Not to mention the never ending living expenses. Neither qualify for grant aid and neither are in Dublin. Thankfully both have weekend jobs which fills the pocket money demands a bit.

Suckit

It looks like the under 30's maybe 35's are no longer held captive by their family allegiance to a political party as though they were a football team the family needs to support.
They are now free to vote for whomever they wish, whether they understand politics or not.
Anybody but FF/FG are the most attractve to them.
This can only be a good thing.
They are looking at ridiculous house prices, ridiculous rental prices and not-really-an-option health insurance being an option on top of that, should they be unlucky enough to find themselves in need of hospital treatment. As if they weren't already unlucky enough.
FF and FG have had almost a hundred years to show us what they can do. That is more than enough time to at least get decent health care.
I can see the point of anyone wanting to vote for anybody else, but can't find myself agreeing with anybody that would vote for either of those parties.
When you have the likes of Eoghan Murphy and Simon Harris doing a terrible job, and the rest of the country watching the probability that they will get in again even after infuriating people enough, that they themselves decide to complain about the people being annoyed enough to dare approach them and annoying THEM!... FFS. What do they expect?

/Rant

Calhoun

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

You left our the bit that says " we have 20000 people on trolleys but luckily for us we are still the 4th best in Europe".. Well done leo....

4th best at having people on trolleys lol.

windy shepard henderson

Calhoun wrote: »

4th best at having people on trolleys lol.

Statistically of course.. Some of those people might die in the process of counting them :rolleyes:

Calhoun

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Statistically of course.. Some of those people might die in the process of counting them :rolleyes:

Statistics :P

windy shepard henderson

Calhoun wrote: »

Statistics :P

Shouldn't be funny... But absolutely hilarious 🀣🀣

Naggdefy

Edgware wrote: »

By any chance did Sinn Fein say how they would break the beef cartel?

Athletics training, hurling training, rugby training all talking about politics?
Do you really think we believe that ****e

It's fairly common to take children to various sports/activities. You sound a bit clueless. There's also handball, swimming, Gaelic football.

I'll tell you something else for nothing.. when the kids are playing/training adults talk on the sidelines.

I don't know where you're from but we're pretty sociable.

Yurt2

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Should third-placed Leo be allowed into the debate now?

This is absolutely fantastic. I hope FG get absolutely crushed on polling day. Their entire election strategy has been "we're sh*t but have you considered the other options might be sh*tter? Now check out this video with irritating free stock music."

Idbatterim

Let the peasants have free water! Quite!

Idbatterim

Suckit wrote: »

It looks like the under 30's maybe 35's are no longer held captive by their family allegiance to a political party as though they were a football team the family needs to support.
They are now free to vote for whomever they wish, whether they understand politics or not.
Anybody but FF/FG are the most attractve to them.
This can only be a good thing.
They are looking at ridiculous house prices, ridiculous rental prices and not-really-an-option health insurance being an option on top of that, should they be unlucky enough to find themselves in need of hospital treatment. As if they weren't already unlucky enough.
FF and FG have had almost a hundred years to show us what they can do. That is more than enough time to at least get decent health care.
I can see the point of anyone wanting to vote for anybody else, but can't find myself agreeing with anybody that would vote for either of those parties.
When you have the likes of Eoghan Murphy and Simon Harris doing a terrible job, and the rest of the country watching the probability that they will get in again even after infuriating people enough, that they themselves decide to complain about the people being annoyed enough to dare approach them and annoying THEM!... FFS. What do they expect?

/Rant

Good post. And a bit of me thinks , well after what has happened now , they’ll pull up their socks etc. this is a warning shot. They’ll think twice about not delivering again, but if ff are ahead of fg now in polls after destroying the place not long ago. Letting them off with a warning isn’t enough, it is time for a lesson. They must be scared ****less that the marriage of convenience might be interrupted. Probably scared ****less that a new party comes in and actually gets things done !

Edgware

Naggdefy wrote: »

It's fairly common to take children to various sports/activities. You sound a bit clueless. There's also handball, swimming, Gaelic football.

I'll tell you something else for nothing.. when the kids are playing/training adults talk on the sidelines.

I don't know where you're from but we're pretty sociable.

Did you take a poll of everyone there or just the few you spoke to?

Edgware

Idbatterim wrote: »

Let the peasants have free water! Quite!

Any chance of more of that free cheese they were giving out?

Jinglejangle69

gmisk wrote: »

What the heck are you on about?! Tinfoil hats?!
Anything to back up that claim? Nope.
Any reply to the 400 euro for a room in Dublin BS? Nope.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/more-landlords-have-multiple-properties-897316.html

This article from 2019 clearly states number of landlords increasing and the number of landlords with multiple properties increasing.

https://michelleburke.ie/landlords-leaving-market-in-droves/

Your article is based on 2018.

And this article states the opposite.

Who do we believe?

https://www.rent.ie/rooms-to-rent/dublin/dublin-8/

Oh and here's us a room for 400 a month.

That was the first site I checked, straightway 400 a month.

I know you'll just come back with ah yeah but something something.

gmisk

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

https://michelleburke.ie/landlords-leaving-market-in-droves/

Your article is based on 2018.

And this article states the opposite.

Who do we believe?

https://www.rent.ie/rooms-to-rent/dublin/dublin-8/

Oh and here's us a room for 400 a month.

That was the first site I checked, straightway 400 a month.

I know you'll just come back with ah yeah but something something.

Are you finished telling people to eat s##t?

That "article" is from an auctioneer and letting agents website and doesnt actually link into an article to back up what it is saying.

What are your feelings now on the other "article" you posted?

That is a shared bloody room with two single beds....did you actually look at the advert?! So 800 euro for a room...unless you want to share a ROOM with a complete stranger for the bargain price of 400 euro a month...

wowy

gmisk wrote: »

Are you finished telling people to eat s##t?

That "article" is from an auctioneer and letting agents website and doesnt actually link into an article to back up what it is saying.

What are your feelings now on the other "article" you posted?

That is a shared bloody room with two single beds....did you actually look at the advert?! So 800 euro for a room...unless you want to share a ROOM with a complete stranger for the bargain price of 400 euro a month...

I'm on my phone so I can't link, but Google the RTB annual report for 2018. Page 15 has the figures on tenancy registrations .

From 2016 to 2018 the number of private rented tenancies dropped from just under 320,000 to 307,000.

The total number of tenancies increased but those increases are skewed by registrations of Approved Housing Body tenancies, which only became a requirement in 2016. Remove those AHB tenancies and the 320k to 307k drop makes sense.

Number of landlords reduced marginally from 175k to 173k, but again those numbers are skewed by AHBs now being counted, as well as new investor funds in that period.

The figures demonstrate that private landlords are leaving the sector.

McMurphy

Yurt! wrote: »

This is absolutely fantastic. I hope FG get absolutely crushed on polling day. Their entire election strategy has been "we're sh*t but have you considered the other options might be sh*tter? Now check out this video with irritating free stock music."

Pretty much this tbh.

Millions spent on the spin unit to make them more appealing to the unwashed.

It's exactly like all the money they spent on Irish water consultants, it goes to show they have absolutely zero concept about what constitutes value for money.

Idbatterim

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/brendan-oconnor-please-no-more-election-debates-38918127.html

Galwayguy35

I wonder do these debates change anyones mind at all on who they are voting for, all it seems to be is a few politicians shouting at each other and making promises we know won't be kept.

It would be good if there was a third party option but SF just won't get the number of seats needed even if they have a good election and they lean too far to the left for me.

Having said that I think Pearse Doherty and Mary Lou are very capable politicians but the rest of them are just wafflers like the hard left.

Jinglejangle69

gmisk wrote: »

Are you finished telling people to eat s##t?

That "article" is from an auctioneer and letting agents website and doesnt actually link into an article to back up what it is saying.

What are your feelings now on the other "article" you posted?

That is a shared bloody room with two single beds....did you actually look at the advert?! So 800 euro for a room...unless you want to share a ROOM with a complete stranger for the bargain price of 400 euro a month...

Ah jaysus will you calm down I had a few on me, jesus noone was hurt, sensitive souls around here.

Its says in the article it was from a Irish Times survey.

As I said you're just gonna come back and argue with whatever I put up.

You're right and I'm wrong, happy?

Did you go further down the link and see the room for 450?

Course you didn't.

Jinglejangle69

wowy wrote: »

I'm on my phone so I can't link, but Google the RTB annual report for 2018. Page 15 has the figures on tenancy registrations .

From 2016 to 2018 the number of private rented tenancies dropped from just under 320,000 to 307,000.

The total number of tenancies increased but those increases are skewed by registrations of Approved Housing Body tenancies, which only became a requirement in 2016. Remove those AHB tenancies and the 320k to 307k drop makes sense.

Number of landlords reduced marginally from 175k to 173k, but again those numbers are skewed by AHBs now being counted, as well as new investor funds in that period.

The figures demonstrate that private landlords are leaving the sector.

Cant be dealing with facts around here.

Everyone knows landlords are leaving the sector in droves but the poster is stubbornly refusing to listen, hands over the ears.

I see sheep

Shinners on the charge!
People waking up the the bull**** FF & FG have been serving up for a century, Brilliant

Kivaro

As I posted on another thread:

"Change".
That is what we want.
Totally fed up with the usual horrendous representation and incompetent governing of our country.

easypazz

Kivaro wrote: »

As I posted on another thread:

"Change".
That is what we want.
Totally fed up with the usual horrendous representation and incompetent governing of our country.

Who are "we"

Lots of people need to be careful what they wish for here.

Sinn Fein, if they got their way, are capable of implementing off the wall policies which could pull the rug from under the feet of a lot of people who voted for them.

Things are not bad for most people.

Naggdefy

Edgware wrote: »

Did you take a poll of everyone there or just the few you spoke to?

When you speak to 7 or 8 from differing backgrounds on a few evenings I think you're allowed speculate on an online forum.

Amazing the angst an observation from a random person is causing you. Really funny actually.

christy c

I see sheep wrote: »

Shinners on the charge!
People waking up the the bull**** FF & FG have been serving up for a century, Brilliant

Fresh bull**** from SF seems to be the roast of the day.

Idbatterim

easypazz wrote: »

Who are "we"

Lots of people need to be careful what they wish for here.

Sinn Fein, if they got their way, are capable of implementing off the wall policies which could pull the rug from under the feet of a lot of people who voted for them.

Things are not bad for most people.

I don’t think they can implement off the wall stuff. They need ff or fg to prop them up. Europe also vet our budgets. Like Brexit though , if they get in , it could cause people to hold off or cancel investment. Consumers spending may tighten. Look at this stage , I don’t know what the answer is. Maybe giving sf a run , is a better option than a hundred years of ffg failure and if we don’t give it to them now. Can anyone else even countenance the notion of another five years of ffg doing nothing ?

Suckit

So, with timing being everything, what day should we expect to be reading the latest bombshell that will undoubtedly drop about SF? :rolleyes:

easypazz

Idbatterim wrote: »

I don’t think they can implement off the wall stuff. They need ff or fg to prop them up. Europe also vet our budgets. Like Brexit though , if they get in , it could cause people to hold off or cancel investment. Consumers spending may tighten. Look at this stage , I don’t know what the answer is. Maybe giving sf a run , is a better option than a hundred years of ffg failure and if we don’t give it to them now. Can anyone else even countenance the notion of another five years of ffg doing nothing ?

Have we not one of the strongest economies in europe?

Yes high rents are an issue, but these things are cyclical too.

Health is not as bad as people make out either.

tobsey

Suckit wrote: »

So, with timing being everything, what day should we expect to be reading the latest bombshell that will undoubtedly drop about SF? :rolleyes:

Tuesday probably, maybe Wednesday. It won’t be unique to target SF though. FF and FG would love to target each other with something juicy and follow up with “we’re the only ones to keep SF down”. Similar to Labour late in 2011 scaring people about an FG majority and got a massive boost.

And SF are well capable of it too. See the brown envelope/Twitter debacle from the previous presidential election.

Suckit

easypazz wrote: »

Have we not one of the strongest economies in europe?

Yes high rents are an issue, but these things are cyclical too.

Health is not as bad as people make out either.

We have one of the worst access to health in Europe if not the worst, and a growing population.
As for the cyclical rents, they haven't gone downwards in over 20 years except maybe for a few that were too high even for the boom.