Miami Showband Massacre

Whelo79

Confirmation has been released of British collusion as was always suspected

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/01/24/news/mod-documents-link-robert-niarac-linked-to-miami-showband-massacre-1823416/

10000maniacs

I remember as a kid seeing the story break on John Craven's Newsround. Obviously sanitized for younger viewers but still shocking.

tdf7187

80% of this forum don't want to hear about this, or will find a way to blame Sinn Fein.

ILoveYourVibes

tdf7187 wrote: »

80% of this forum don't want to hear about this, or will find a way to blame Sinn Fein.

I don't blame sf.

I didn't want it to be true.

Its painful for many.

But it is true. Sadly. And we need to unpack it.

But we need to unpack it in a way that is not hijacked by people with an agenda.

Also we and the victims deserve an apology from the UK govt and all involved.

biko

I'm glad this comes to light finally, even though many have suspected this all along.

biko

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

But we need to unpack it in a way that is not hijacked by people with an agenda.

What does this even mean?

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Also we and the victims deserve an apology from the UK govt and all involved.

I fail to see why you deserve an apology. Or do you mean the Irish nation?

Eric Cartman

Nice to have confirmation which hopefully provides some closure to the families and the surviving member.

Usually I abhore the actions of sinn fein / ira but seeing the soldier was killed by them in 77 and his body never found did put a little smirk on my face

McMurphy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nice to have confirmation which hopefully provides some closure to the families and the surviving member.

Usually I abhore the actions of sinn fein / ira but seeing the soldier was killed by them in 77 and his body never found did put a little smirk on my face

There were actually posters on this site went toe to toe with me because I had said I had no sympathy for Nairiacs plight.

end of the road

we all knew this was the case of course but it's still nice to have it confirmed.

horsebox1977

The Toadman wrote: »

First I've hear of Nairac. Nice to know he met a brutal end.

Put through a mincer in South Armagh. The poor little mite.

Water John

The first people to be thought of are those that survived and the families of those that didn't.

careless sherpa

The Toadman wrote: »

First I've hear of Nairac. Nice to know he met a brutal end.

Is surprising he managed to last as long as he did. He went into the three steps bar and put in a fake Belfast accent and started asking questions. Was abducted by locals within minutes and then faced a few questions

Whelo79

careless sherpa wrote: »

Is surprising he managed to last as long as he did. He went into the three steps bar and put in a fake Belfast accent and started asking questions. Was abducted by locals within minutes and then faced a few questions

This wasn't a one off, he had done this countless times. He was even up singing rebel songs. The man is suspected of being in charge of many British led atrocities up the North. When confirmation like this is coming out and you look at incidents like Loughisland, Bloody Sunday etc etc you wonder were the IRA actually a necessity up there in order to protect Catholics.

Catholics originally welcomed the British army into Belfast, they cheered them down the streets with cups of tea and biscuits as they thought they were there to protect them from the suffering they had endured from the RUC. That opinion quickly changed.

Boxcar_Willie

horsebox1977 wrote: »

Put through a mincer in South Armagh. The poor little mite.

Then fed to pigs .

The Satanist

Britain is a terrorist state.

Odhinn

The Satanist wrote: »

Britain is a terrorist state.

Considering their activities over the centuries, from this to the Dublin-monaghan bombings, to the atrocities in Kenya and Aden, in Asia, The middle east and Africa, thats a bit of an understatement. An evil empire based primarily on violence and repression, sowing division wherever it went.

Lemming

Odhinn wrote: »

Considering their activities over the centuries, from this to the Dublin-monaghan bombings, to the atrocities in Kenya and Aden, in Asia, The middle east and Africa, thats a bit of an understatement. An evil empire based primarily on violence and repression, sowing division wherever it went.

Not to detract from the sentiment of your post, but that pretty much describes empires as a general rule of thumb. The British empire was not unique in that regard; a high-achiever (if you will) in the infliction-of-misery stakes, but not unique.

Odhinn

Lemming wrote: »

Not to detract from the sentiment of your post, but that pretty much describes empires as a general rule of thumb. The British empire was not unique in that regard; a high-achiever (if you will) in the infliction-of-misery stakes, but not unique.

Alas you are correct on that. There is also the same tendency to romantacise elements of it, while burying others.

smurgen

Whelo79 wrote: »

This wasn't a one off, he had done this countless times. He was even up singing rebel songs. The man is suspected of being in charge of many British led atrocities up the North. When confirmation like this is coming out and you look at incidents like Loughisland, Bloody Sunday etc etc you wonder were the IRA actually a necessity up there in order to protect Catholics.

Catholics originally welcomed the British army into Belfast, they cheered them down the streets with cups of tea and biscuits as they thought they were there to protect them from the suffering they had endured from the RUC. That opinion quickly changed.

Remember when RTE done a prime time special about him in 2017 more or less portraying him as an innocent victim and exonorating him of wrong doing?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scientist-provides-evidence-exonerating-robert-nairac-of-troubles-killings-1.3069263

MrAbyss

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but seeing the soldier was killed by them in 77 and his body never found did put a little smirk on my face

Hopefully they played Showband songs really loud while torturing him to death. I think Quintin Tarantino should make a movie of it. Him being castrated to the stirring chorus of Do The Hucklebuck.

You know you wanna see this.

Junkyard Tom

smurgen wrote: »

Remember when RTE done a prime time special about him in 2017 more or less portraying him as an innocent victim and exonorating him of wrong doing?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scientist-provides-evidence-exonerating-robert-nairac-of-troubles-killings-1.3069263

I wonder how many British agents we have in places of influence in Ireland.

The Satanist

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I wonder how many British agents we have in places of influence in Ireland.

We should have a Garda investigation into it.


Oh wait....

Stovepipe

Given that two of the killers were already members of the British military, collusion already existed. I suspect the late Nairac is being tied to this killing as a way of tidying up loose ends. He will probably also be blamed, now that he is safely dead, for every single unsolved killing of a Catholic right up to the estimated date of his death, so as to close a few files and bury the past. Apart from that, anyone on this thread who wished him a cruel death and an even crueller fate thereafter needs to have a close look at themselves.

ILoveYourVibes

biko wrote: »

What does this even mean?

I fail to see why you deserve an apology. Or do you mean the Irish nation?

Well i don't usually refer to myself as 'we'.

We need to unpack this.

Meaning we need to dissect this.

Analyze it.

Understand the details.

How far up the chain of UK authority did it go etc? Where govt cabinet members involved? If so they need to apologize too.

ILoveYourVibes

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I wonder how many British agents we have in places of influence in Ireland.

Not sure. Define places of influence.

They are there though.

suicide_circus

Odhinn wrote: »

Considering their activities over the centuries, from this to the Dublin-monaghan bombings, to the atrocities in Kenya and Aden, in Asia, The middle east and Africa, thats a bit of an understatement. An evil empire based primarily on violence and repression, sowing division wherever it went.

it's impossible to deny that statement. but had some country not reached that level of hegemony, how retarded would mankind have been technologically ? i'm obviously not supportive of the unspeakable violence done by the british empire and the suffering that resulted but in terms of world history, if it wasnt them, it was probably gonna be someone else and there were dividends.

wmahcm

Odhinn wrote: »

Considering their activities over the centuries, from this to the Dublin-monaghan bombings, to the atrocities in Kenya and Aden, in Asia, The middle east and Africa, thats a bit of an understatement. An evil empire based primarily on violence and repression, sowing division wherever it went.

Provos loved to do the same and blow up women and kids out shopping.

Fann Linn

suicide_circus wrote: »

it's impossible to deny that statement. but had some country not reached that level of hegemony, how retarded would mankind have been technologically ? i'm obviously not supportive of the unspeakable violence done by the british empire and the suffering that resulted but in terms of world history, if it wasnt them, it was probably gonna be someone else and there were dividends.

Life of Brian territory in that last sentence.

suicide_circus

Fann Linn wrote: »

Life of Brian territory in that last sentence.

sure yes. had i lost my father in the troubles i wouldn't be able to view it with a cold objective eye, i get that.

Junkyard Tom

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Define places of influence.

Media, politics, civil service and so on.

smurgen

wmahcm wrote: »

Provos loved to do the same and blow up women and kids out shopping.

So start a thread about them.this is a thread about British terrorists.