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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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    #4712
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    If the UK got a trade deal and retained control of their financials, standards and borders in exchange for fish well we know who played a blinder in negotiations.



    the EU is retaining control on standards afaik


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    #4713
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Farage seems happy enough.


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    #4714
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Farage seems happy enough.

    He's out of his bunker to make himself look relevant


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    #4715
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Choosehowevr. wrote: »
    He's out of his bunker to make himself look relevant

    I'd say the fella who caused the UK to leave the EU is quite relevant.


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    #4716
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    Bambi wrote: »
    the fella who caused the UK to leave the EU

    David Cameron


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    #4717
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Choosehowevr. wrote: »
    He's out of his bunker to make himself look relevant

    Who's laughing now

    https://youtu.be/L5xlQVr-j08


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    #4718
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Choosehowevr. wrote: »
    David Cameron

    Why did Cameron call a referendum? Farage.

    Calling Farage irrelevant is a bit like this:




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    #4719
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    Bambi wrote: »
    Why did Cameron call a referendum? Farage.

    Calling Farage irrelevant is a bit like this:


    True

    Will farage be there if the sh1t hits the fan after this deal


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    #4720
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I think the better question is how can Ireland use this to our advantage rather than the britcentric obsession with berating Farage et al.

    Weird sorta Shoneen approach that, although we may need to update the terminology to address that strange breed of Irish people who have shifted their need for approval onto their betters on the continent, Jacque-eens perhaps. :)


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    #4721
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Bambi wrote: »
    Why did Cameron call a referendum? Farage.

    Calling Farage irrelevant is a bit like this:



    It isn't, really. Brexit needed a spineless PM loathed by most of the country and 17.4 million votes. UKIP were never going to win more than a few MP's.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4722
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Why do people vote for him then? Why does he have the support he has in parliament and among the public? I mean, if all that is true.

    The British print press and news media has been largely captured by Tory sympathetic interests. You control the media then you get to influence how people think.

    The Tory Party is still doing quite well in the polls despite Government corruption, cronyism, incompetence, and massive death toll from COVID.


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    #4723
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    It isn't, really. Brexit needed a spineless PM loathed by most of the country and 17.4 million votes. UKIP were never going to win more than a few MP's.

    they only ever managed to win one westminster election and that was with a former conservative MP who left UKIP not long after.


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    #4724
    joseywhales
    Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Well thank God we are meeting the end of this, fingers crossed. Did anyone actually care about fishing or was it just political grandstanding? What is the industry worth in the scheme of things? I haven't seen details on this level playing field and the potential schedule of penalties for breaking the dynamic equilibrium of standards/state aid etc, that must be extremely complex.

    I personally don't understand the obsession with nationalism from any side. We should just focus on the money and increasing or sustaining our standard of living, the rest is some expensive fantasy.


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    #4725
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    they only ever managed to win one westminster election and that was with a former conservative MP who left UKIP not long after.

    It was two by-elections as I recall and then Douglas Carswell in 2015.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4726
    ancapailldorcha
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    joseywhales wrote: »
    Well thank God we are meeting the end of this, fingers crossed. Did anyone actually care about fishing or was it just political grandstanding? What is the industry worth in the scheme of things? I haven't seen details on this level playing field and the potential schedule of penalties for breaking the dynamic equilibrium of standards/state aid etc, that must be extremely complex.

    I personally don't understand the obsession with nationalism from any side. We should just focus on the money and increasing or sustaining our standard of living, the rest is some expensive fantasy.

    Nobody cared about fishing, not even the fishermen.

    It was just a totem so people could give expression to their Europhobia and resentment without sounding like morons. Voting to take back control of national waters sounds nominally less idiotic than voting because of EU regulations you know nothing about.

    The majority of British-caught fish go to the EU so if there's any holdups then freight will get more expensive.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4727
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    It was two by-elections as I recall and then Douglas Carswell in 2015.

    you're correct. my memory playing tricks with me. still not a stellar performance though.


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    #4728
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Is it done yet?
    So whats the deal?


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    #4729
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you're correct. my memory playing tricks with me. still not a stellar performance though.

    It was in terms of votes won but that doesn't really translate properly into seats until the 25% mark.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4730
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    Is it done yet?
    So whats the deal?

    Curved bananas and steak pies allowed into the EU again


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    #4731
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Nobody cared about fishing, not even the fishermen.

    It was just a totem so people could give expression to their Europhobia and resentment without sounding like morons. Voting to take back control of national waters sounds nominally less idiotic than voting because of EU regulations you know nothing about.

    The majority of British-caught fish go to the EU so if there's any holdups then freight will get more expensive.

    That's not true.Fishing,although relatively unimportant to Britain financially has some value to Johnson and co 'sabre rattling' but it's greatest value has been as a negotiating tool ,the EU was unable to hide just how important it is to them.


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    #4732
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Choosehowevr. wrote: »
    Curved bananas and steak pies allowed into the EU again


    phew


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    #4733
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    Did Britain actually do a costing for Brexit prior to all this?

    Farage seemed to be all about the sovereignty and refugees and then the public sleepwalked into it


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    #4734
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    That's not true.Fishing,although relatively unimportant to Britain financially has some value to Johnson and co 'sabre rattling' but it's greatest value has been as a negotiating tool ,the EU was unable to hide just how important it is to them.

    It's politically important for the reasons I outlined above. Otherwise, Harrod's contribute more to the British Exchequer.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4735
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    Britain allowed sell curved bananas but has to import steak and kidney pies

    Reduction in numbers of fish fingers allowed to be caught


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    #4736
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Nobody cared about fishing, not even the fishermen.

    Really?

    Not sure about that, otherwise what has all the fuss been about with the fishing communities in Scotland, Cornwal, Grimsby, Whitby etc....

    Surely this deal was to keep their livelihoods alive? And that has been achieved by Boris and his team.


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    #4737
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    It isn't, really. Brexit needed a spineless PM loathed by most of the country and 17.4 million votes. UKIP were never going to win more than a few MP's.

    More emoting. Was never about seats, The numbers voting for UKIP scared the ****e out of the Tories, enough for the Camzer to promise a referendum. Like him our loathe him, Farage is the prime mover behind Brexit. You'd think after four years, the guff and hysterics would have moderated a bit.


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    #4738
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    Bambi wrote: »
    More emoting. Was never about seats, The numbers voting for UKIP scared the ****e out of the Tories, enough for the Camzer to promise a referendum. Like him our loathe him, Farage is the prime mover behind Brexit. You'd think after four years, the guff and hysterics would have moderated a bit.
    Looking like you're the one obsessed with farage


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    #4739
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    So in 5 years time they'll all be back looking for a deal on fishing. Seems like a can kicking exercise to me.


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    #4740
    Harpon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭Harpon


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    Is it done yet?
    So whats the deal?

    From what I have read the UK have got an amazing deal. Free access to the single market, no quotas, no tariffs. Seems the UK were allowed to cherry pick after all, begs the question why should other countries stay in the EU if deals like this are possible?


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    #4741
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Harpon wrote: »
    From what I have read the UK have got an amazing deal. Free access to the single market, no quotas, no tariffs. Seems the UK were allowed to cherry pick after all, begs the question why should other countries stay in the EU if deals like this are possible?

    Regulations.


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