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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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    #4742
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Harpon wrote: »
    From what I have read the UK have got an amazing deal. Free access to the single market, no quotas, no tariffs. Seems the UK were allowed to cherry pick after all, begs the question why should other countries stay in the EU if deals like this are possible?

    Spin.

    Both sides will be at it.


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    #4743
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Harpon wrote: »
    From what I have read the UK have got an amazing deal. Free access to the single market, no quotas, no tariffs. Seems the UK were allowed to cherry pick after all, begs the question why should other countries stay in the EU if deals like this are possible?

    Unfortunately it looks like they've done rather well out of it. I can see others following suit over the next few years if their economy does well.


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    #4744
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,387 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Unfortunately it looks like they've done rather well out of it. I can see others following suit over the next few years if their economy does well.

    You've read the treaty have you?

    Fuck off with your spinning. I'm absolutely sick of this. If the deal said every man would have to go fishing for six months in the year you'd still be hailing it as a great deal.


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    #4745
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,708 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    They have done well. There seems to be a misguided assumption the only country who value their independence in Europe is the UK.

    There are lessons for the EU here. If you want to stop the bleed then stop endlessly taking sovereignty from member countries and centralising it in Brussels.


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    #4746
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They have done well. There seems to be a misguided assumption the only country who value their independence in Europe is the UK.

    There are lessons for the EU here. If you want to stop the bleed then stop endlessly taking sovereignty from member countries and centralising it in Brussels.

    Where has the EU taken sovereignty? With evidence please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4747
    Nate--IRL--
    Registered Users Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    This was posted on the other thread - useful high level overview of what the agreement covers.

    https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1342129505540984837

    Nate


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    #4748
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Roaming charges for mobile data in the UK then?


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    #4749
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Deal is brilliant for Amazon shoppers and the like as well as exporters here.


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    #4750
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,387 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They have done well. There seems to be a misguided assumption the only country who value their independence in Europe is the UK.

    There are lessons for the EU here. If you want to stop the bleed then stop endlessly taking sovereignty from member countries and centralising it in Brussels.

    What bleed? There's literally no serious talk of any other nation doing what the UK has done.

    Also from what I've read so far it seems they've achieved quite little. Tariff free access for goods in from a market in which they are a net importer from?


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    #4751
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Seems the UK has won plenty of small skirmishes, but I he EU has won the big battles.


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    #4752
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,826 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nate--IRL-- wrote: »
    This was posted on the other thread - useful high level overview of what the agreement covers.

    https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1342129505540984837

    Nate

    Puts it firmly in perspective and shut up the Brexiteers. Not hard to see who the massive losers are there.


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    #4753
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,387 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It's interesting that they choose to stay out of Erasmus. My guys is that was entirely political that the UK didn't want to be further fostering a group of young people that would be very sympathetic to the EU.

    I suspect Erasmus will be replaced with a UK USA exchange programme


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    #4754
    Aurelian
    Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭Aurelian


    Sheep Shagger wrote: »
    Deal is brilliant for Amazon shoppers and the like as well as exporters here.

    I thought imports will be liable for customs declarations and VAT just not duties?


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    #4755
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    We'll have to see how it plays out in practice but it doesnt seem like a terrible deal


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    #4756
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 614 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Roaming charges for mobile data in the UK then?

    Wonder would that apply in ireland. Be a nightmare around the border counties again if that is the case. Getting charged roaming and sitting in your own kitchen


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    #4757
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If you want to stop the bleed then stop endlessly taking sovereignty from member countries and centralising it in Brussels.

    The lesson is for the rest of us in the EU to cherish our membership and call out the liars, frauds, and useful idiots, who'd seek to cleave us from our European partners.


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    #4758
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The lesson is for the rest of us in the EU to cherish our membership and call out the liars, frauds, and useful idiots, who'd seek to cleave us from our European partners.

    Brexit is an embarrassment for the UK


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    #4759
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    First of many hopefully.

    Italy next maybe.


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    #4760
    Choosehowevr.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Choosehowevr.


    Brexit deal resolves 'question that has bedevilled politics for decades'

    According to the guardian headline ,I didn't look further but what question might that be?


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    #4761
    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Can someone remind me here, what is the downside for the UK from this deal?

    They have full and free access to the EU market. Without paying the £10 billion annual fee they were paying before.

    Shouldn't all the net contributors just leave the EU and take the same deal? The EU has potentially destroyed itself with this.


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    #4762
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Can someone remind me here, what is the downside for the UK from this deal?

    They have full and free access to the EU market. Without paying the £10 billion annual fee they were paying before.

    Shouldn't all the net contributors just leave the EU and take the same deal? The EU has potentially destroyed itself with this.

    Regulations.


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    #4763
    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Regulations.


    They will either have the same regulations as they did while a member, or they can choose to change them and have tariffs imposed on that sector only. Again, where's the downside for the UK.



    All while not paying the £10 billion annual fee they were paying before.


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    #4764
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    First of many hopefully.

    Italy next maybe.

    Why?

    The EU might have its problems but it sure benefited us over the years.


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    #4765
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,453 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Choosehowevr. wrote: »
    Curved bananas and steak pies allowed into the EU again

    As long as the supply of emulsified high-fat pork offal tubes isn't impeded it's all good. :D


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    #4766
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    They will either have the same regulations as they did while a member, or they can choose to change them and have tariffs imposed on that sector only. Again, where's the downside for the UK.



    All while not paying the £10 billion annual fee they were paying before.

    There will be a hard customs and regulatory border. That will come at an administrative cost. And that's just for starters. Inward investment into the UK will plummet as a result. Existing manufacturing will be jeopardised as a result. As for sovereignty, they now have no say in what regulations they adhere to - unless they choose not to export to the EU.


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    #4767
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    There will be a hard customs and regulatory border. That will come at an administrative cost. And that's just for starters. Inward investment into the UK will plummet as a result. Existing manufacturing will be jeopardised as a result. As for sovereignty, they now have no say in what regulations they adhere to - unless they choose not to export to the EU.

    Seems they can now choose in what sectors they want to abide by EU regulations, something we can't do.

    They always knew there was going to be a customs border. I think a lot of people who were crowing about how the EU was going to ream the Brits in negotiations may wind up feeling a bit let down.


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    #4768
    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    There will be a hard customs and regulatory border. That will come at an administrative cost. And that's just for starters. Inward investment into the UK will plummet as a result. Existing manufacturing will be jeopardised as a result. As for sovereignty, they now have no say in what regulations they adhere to - unless they choose not to export to the EU.


    There's no actual customs or tariffs to be paid though under this agreement. There will have to be checks, but I don't see the cost of checks as being that great.



    Maybe they don't have sovereignty, but that is a choice on their part. If they are smart then they can simply follow along with similar regulations to the EU and have full access, without paying the £10 billion. Basically my point is this is a superior situation now than before for the UK, because they had to follow along with EU regulation while a member and pay the membership fee. Also, the EU is no longer sovereign after this either, as it will face tariffs into its biggest market if it decides to make regulatory changes.


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    #4769
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    There's no actual customs or tariffs to be paid though under this agreement. There will have to be checks, but I don't see the cost of checks as being that great.



    Maybe they don't have sovereignty, but that is a choice on their part. If they are smart then they can simply follow along with similar regulations to the EU and have full access, without paying the £10 billion. Basically my point is this is a superior situation now than before for the UK, because they had to follow along with EU regulation while a member and pay the membership fee. Also, the EU is no longer sovereign after this either, as it will face tariffs into its biggest market if it decides to make regulatory changes.

    A question. If you intended to expand your business into Europe in January, would you do that in the UK or in the EU?


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    #4770
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Why?

    The EU might have its problems but it sure benefited us over the years.

    We are a net contributor now and thanks to our leprechaun economics with multinationals offshoring profits here our contribution is based on the skewed gni figure rather than the true figure.

    Our contributions are expected to rise year on year and with the uk shaped hole in the eu budget even more so

    https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2020/1109/1177074-ireland-eu-budget-contribution/

    However, it has emerged that when calculating Ireland's net contribution to the EU budget, the EU bases its calculations not on Modified GNI, but the standard GNI approach as applied to all member states by the EU's statistics agency Eurostat.

    Figures compiled by the CSO show that in 2016, Ireland's Modified GNI was €174.7 billion, but the standard GNI was the higher figure of €220.7 billion.

    That's a lot of extra cheddar


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    #4771
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Fred Cryton wrote:
    They will either have the same regulations as they did while a member, or they can choose to change them and have tariffs imposed on that sector only. Again, where's the downside for the UK.

    It's not about tariffs or quotas. Being outside the Single Market means border administration and delays for everything entering or leaving the EU. Hundreds if not thousands of UK companies have built their business with customers and suppliers in the EU (exports and imports) on the fast movement of materials, components and finished goods.

    All those time-critical supply chains are under threat because many trade relationships are built around Just in Time delivery and that can no longer be guaranteed.

    Taking back control of fisheries might be raising cheers from the Brexit faithful. Taking back control of the M20 might be more important.


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