Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

Dyr

Scoondal wrote: »

EU didn't end up "throwing Ireland under the bus".
UK did end up throwing NI under their own bus.
It's a UK problem now. Let them sort out the mess they have created in their "united" kingdom.
Ireland has shown much more immediate dynamic solutions than the UK. Businesses are better prepared, ports infrastructure has already been upgraded and we are increasing our direct shipping routes to other EU ports.
Little britain is scrabbling around trying to make things work and blaming the EU for being nasty and vindictive (ref Nigel Farage).

NI got a pretty sweet deal out of Brexit

Hows the vaccine roll out going in the UK? I understand those, much forecasted on boards, medicine shortages post Brexit are hitting the Brits hard

FrancieBrady

Bambi wrote: »

NI got a pretty sweet deal out of Brexit

Hows the vaccine roll out going in the UK? I understand those, much forecasted on boards, medicine shortages post Brexit are hitting the Brits hard

Probably your only chance to gloat so make hay while the sun shines. Looks to me, though like we (the EU) massively funded this vaccine and they welched on the deal. Tis the British way - welching on deals.
Hard to plan for, but we'll move on and remember and learn.

Dyr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Probably your only chance to gloat so make hay while the sun shines. Looks to me, though like we (the EU) massively funded this vaccine and they welched on the deal. Tis the British way - welching on deals.
Hard to plan for, but we'll move on and remember and learn.

You could call it gloating but the more accurate description would be "Filleann an feall ar an bhfeallaire." Northern Nationalists can Google that.

All the gleeful anticipation of the Brits being taught a lesson with medical supply problems post Brext, the ironing of it is pretty funny

FrancieBrady

Bambi wrote: »

You could call it gloating but the more accurate description would be "Filleann an feall ar an bhfeallaire." Northern Nationalists can Google that.

All the gleeful anticipation of the Brits being taught a lesson with medical supply problems post Brext, the ironing of it is pretty funny

We're a few weeks in Bambi...you're gloating.

Leroy42

Bambi wrote: »

NI got a pretty sweet deal out of Brexit

Hows the vaccine roll out going in the UK? I understand those, much forecasted on boards, medicine shortages post Brexit are hitting the Brits hard

On a no deal yes that would have caused far more problems than they are experiencing now. Hence why nobody really believed they would go no deal and why, in the end, the UK choose to throw NI and fishermen under the bus.

And we have still to see the full effects on agriculture and manufacturing but the signs are not good.

Not to mention the effect on financial services, which have already seen massive fund transfers out of CoL

Donald Trump

Bambi wrote: »

NI got a pretty sweet deal out of Brexit

Hows the vaccine roll out going in the UK? I understand those, much forecasted on boards, medicine shortages post Brexit are hitting the Brits hard

I wouldn't get too cocky just yet there Bambi.


Two weeks ago the respective UK leaders were told to keep quiet about supply chains for some reason..... https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/nicola-sturgeon-told-keep-vaccine-supply-secret-uk-government-amid-concerns-manufacturers-may-divert-provision-other-countries-3093565

Political leaders of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have been told to keep the details of the number of vaccines supplied to the UK and their countries secret by the UK Government because of concerns over pressures on supply, it has emerged.


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UK Government ministers and scientific advisers are concerned being too transparent about the exact number of vaccines the UK has received would allow other countries in the world to pressurise vaccine manufacturers to divert supply.

Ms. Sturgeon is threatening to publish that data now. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-threatens-to-publish-supply-data-in-eu-vaccine-row-9t5c2xsx8

Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of undermining efforts to prevent the European Union from taking UK-bound vaccines by threatening to publish details of confidential supplies.
The UK government wants to keep secret how many doses are being delivered to avoid aggravating tensions with other nations struggling to secure vaccines.
The row with the European Commission and Astrazeneca over reduced deliveries, thought to total 60 million to 75 million doses, has shown the acute sensitivity of the issue. The commission suspects Astrazeneca of giving Britain preferntial treatment and ordered inspections of its plant in Belgium to check its claim that there was a production problem

Padre_Pio

Bambi wrote: »

You could call it gloating but the more accurate description would be "Filleann an feall ar an bhfeallaire." Northern Nationalists can Google that.

All the gleeful anticipation of the Brits being taught a lesson with medical supply problems post Brext, the ironing of it is pretty funny

I don't understand the mentality of vaccine competition and point scoring over Brexit. Surely it's a good thing that people are getting vaccinated.

The reality IMO is that for the majority it doesn't matter if we get vaccinated. Anyone under 45 is at a minuscule risk already and once the elderly are sorted, the deaths will vanish and we'll move to a coping strategy.

In 6 months, we'll have so many vaccines no one will care about them.
The true litmus test will always be the number of deaths.

FrancieBrady

Donald Trump wrote: »

I wouldn't get too cocky just yet there Bambi.


Two weeks ago the respective UK leaders were told to keep quiet about supply chains for some reason..... https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/nicola-sturgeon-told-keep-vaccine-supply-secret-uk-government-amid-concerns-manufacturers-may-divert-provision-other-countries-3093565





Ms. Sturgeon is threatening to publish that data now. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-threatens-to-publish-supply-data-in-eu-vaccine-row-9t5c2xsx8

I'd feel genuinely sorry for the British people if they lost out here, 100,000 deaths is an awful situation to be in.

Peregrinus

First Up wrote: »

They must be close to running out of things to be wrong about and straws to clutch.

Oh, God, no. Do not underestimate them. Their capacity to be wrong about things is boundless!

Peregrinus

RobMc59 wrote: »

Why are you referring to the deal which is supposed to be fantastic for the EU?

I haven't seen anybody saying that the deal is "supposed to be fantastic for the EU" - other, perhaps, than hard Brexiters wishing to criticise it.

RobMc59 wrote: »

This is a consequence of that deal.

No, it isn't. It's a consequence of Brexit. The most we can say is that it's a Brexit consequence that the TCA failed to avert. But the only way the TCA could have a erted this is if the TCA had provided for the UK to rejoin the CFP and open its fishing grounds to EU vessels on the current terms. And the UK was never likely to agree to that, because regaining exclusive access to the UK's fishing grounds was aggressively sold as a bonus of Brexit.

RobMc59 wrote: »

As I've said,I believe Ireland have been treated very badly by brussels over this.

It's Brussels' fault that the UK will not participate in the CFP? Brussels made the UK adopt this position?

Are you telling us, then, that Brexit has been a complete failure? That the promised "taking back control" has not happened, and the the UK's positions are still being dictated to it by Brussels?

Imreoir2

Peregrinus wrote: »

It's Brussels' fault that the UK will not participate in the CFP? Brussels made the UK adopt this position?

Are you telling us, then, that Brexit has been a complete failure? That the promised "taking back control" has not happened, and the the UK's positions are still being dictated to it by Brussels?

Clearly Brussels is at fault for not having found a way to change the laws of physics. Theirs was a simple task of both respecting the soverignty of the UK and the UKs demand to restrict EU access to its fishing waters, while also ensuring no negative impact on the European fishing industry would result from said UK demand.

Obviously, what was needed was for Brussels to come up with a way to create matter (in the form of fish) from nothng. They have no one to blame but themselves for their failure.

Certainly Ireland would be well advised to consider leaving the EU until such time as this EU incompetance over the trifling matter of changing the physical rules of the universe is overcome, and even then we should be sceptical about membership.

loughside

Gone a tad quiet on this thread lol.... has the penny finally dropped??

So now we have a Hard Border on the island of ireland,.. well, well!

The hard border the eu kept crying about and they implement it. They really are showing their true colours now.

Nazism is alive and well in the EU and no one can say otherwise.
This open aggression and trade war is without doubt an international incident.

FrancieBrady

loughside wrote: »

Gone a tad quiet on this thread lol.... has the penny finally dropped??

So now we have a Hard Border on the island of ireland,.. well, well!

The hard border the eu kept crying about and they implement it. They really are showing their true colours now.

Nazism is alive and well in the EU and no one can say otherwise.
This open aggression and trade war is without doubt an international incident.

Wha?

Melanchthon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Wha?

They just invoked article 16.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-55864442?__twitter_impression=true

This is a serious mess

Edit:they being the EU which is the unexpected thing

Doctor Roast

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Brexit Britain getting 2 million doses a week from AZ alone while EU is in a mess now.

Why not just acknowledge the EU has screwed up here?

Even Germany saw the writing on the wall a week a go.

Like at the start of the pandemic, the Italians were under serious pressure, were was the EU? Parading Greta around EU buildings...

FrancieBrady

Melanchthon wrote: »

They just invoked article 16.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-55864442?__twitter_impression=true

This is a serious mess

Edit:they being the EU which is the unexpected thing

Other than Arlene raving about a 'hard border', how is it a hard border?

loughside

The behaviour of the EU clearly demonstrates that from day one the northern Ireland border would be weaponised.

They have shown the entire world that their word is worthless and that they cannot be trusted.

This is what happens when a trade association gets ideas above its station and bureaucrats think they are politicians.

This will not end well for them. They are becoming a very dangerous laughing stock.

Melanchthon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Other than Arlene raving about a 'hard border', how is it a hard border?

Arlene is being Arlene but this is a big deal, and if the otherside had triggered it would be considered massively negative

loughside

So now we have an unaccountable, unelected collection of bureaucrats making life or death decisions for the people of Ireland,

from DublinLive.ie..
`Irish diplomat, Ray Bassett, told Express.co.uk: “Our Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly, has just been rebuffed publicly when he suggested that Ireland should bring in some supplies of the AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID vaccine in anticipation of its approval by the European Medicines Agency.

“The Irish Government was sharply told by the Commission that this would not be permitted.

“It is hard to see how any democratic Government should allow itself to be overruled by an unelected body like the Commission especially when the health of its citizens is involved in a pandemic.”

FrancieBrady

Melanchthon wrote: »

Arlene is being Arlene but this is a big deal, and if the otherside had triggered it would be considered massively negative

So no Hard Border then.

coolbeans

loughside wrote: »

So now we have an unaccountable, unelected collection of bureaucrats making life or death decisions for the people of Ireland,

from DublinLive.ie..
`Irish diplomat, Ray Bassett, told Express.co.uk: “Our Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly, has just been rebuffed publicly when he suggested that Ireland should bring in some supplies of the AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID vaccine in anticipation of its approval by the European Medicines Agency.

“The Irish Government was sharply told by the Commission that this would not be permitted.

“It is hard to see how any democratic Government should allow itself to be overruled by an unelected body like the Commission especially when the health of its citizens is involved in a pandemic.”

You're attempting to make a serious point by quoting the Express? Seriously? Have they found Madeleine McCann yet? Is there a snow bomb on the way? How many ways have they found to coo over the princes today?

Melanchthon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So no Hard Border then.

Depends what you mean by hard border, like I am fairly anti-Euro federalist (basically my views are pretty similar to 2000's SF on Europe, remainer but skeptical in the true sense not the Daily Mail way) but genuinely didn't think it would be the EU thought it would be some unionist mess up.
Triggering this, in this method (no warning etc), has meant the UK can easily justify doing it again.

In terms of practicality I don't know, like will there be Irish border checks on trucks leaving Ireland to North? There isn't a need but there may be a requirement too since it's been triggered?

FrancieBrady

Melanchthon wrote: »

Depends what you mean by hard border, like I am fairly anti-Euro federalist (basically my views are pretty similar to 2000's SF on Europe, remainer but skeptical in the true sense not the Daily Mail way) but genuinely didn't think it would be the EU thought it would be some unionist mess up.
Triggering this, in this method (no warning etc), has meant the UK can easily justify doing it again.

In terms of practicality I don't know, like will there be Irish border checks on trucks leaving Ireland to North? There isn't a need but there may be a requirement too since it's been triggered?

The UK could always do it. It's a mechanism of the Protocol.

SEPT 23 1989

Did our European "partners" in Berlin consult our government before they did this?

Kermit.de.frog

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Did our European "partners" in Berlin consult our government before they did this?

That's what we have to know.


https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1355227197632610319


Very serious. We now have a border on the island all of a sudden.

FrancieBrady

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's what we have to know.


https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1355227197632610319


Very serious. We now have a border on the island all of a sudden.

There always was one, it was invisible but a border all the same. Try bringing a northern car across and driving it here as your own daily car for instance.

Amirani

loughside wrote: »

So now we have an unaccountable, unelected collection of bureaucrats making life or death decisions for the people of Ireland,

from DublinLive.ie..
`Irish diplomat, Ray Bassett, told Express.co.uk: “Our Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly, has just been rebuffed publicly when he suggested that Ireland should bring in some supplies of the AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID vaccine in anticipation of its approval by the European Medicines Agency.

“The Irish Government was sharply told by the Commission that this would not be permitted.

“It is hard to see how any democratic Government should allow itself to be overruled by an unelected body like the Commission especially when the health of its citizens is involved in a pandemic.”

Stop using Ray Bassett (or the Express) as a source for anything, seriously.

loughside

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Did our European "partners" in Berlin consult our government before they did this?

Why would they do that?!! They used you as `useful idiots` in an attempt to overturn Brexit, now that`s over you don`t count any more.



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Imreoir2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So no Hard Border then.

That's hardily the sodding point. This was a mistake by the EU.

Doctor Roast

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Did our European "partners" in Berlin consult our government before they did this?

“Europe is France and Germany, the rest are just the trimmings”. - De Gaulle