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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Beyond that the EU should tell the British government that the entire trade deal will lapse if they fail to stand by British government commitments and implement the protocol in full.

    Which is exactly what they will do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Unless you're squeaky clean yourself you shouldn't point the finger..
    "Ian Wright: Irish teenager Patrick O'Brien given probation over racist abuse - BBC Sport

    Brexit was a movement against immigration. Farage plenty of photo-ops in front of signs showing migrants and "taking back control of borders" was a key slogan in the Brexit campaign.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-blames-outrage-over-8234755


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Padre_Pio wrote:
    Brexit was a movement against immigration. Farage plenty of photo-ops in front of signs showing migrants and "taking back control of borders" was a key slogan in the Brexit campaign.


    Farage also came on stage at rallies with air raid sirens blaring. It wasn't just immigration.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    First Up wrote: »
    Farage also came on stage at rallies with air raid sirens blaring. It wasn't just immigration.

    I know it wasn't just immigration, but the previous poster was incorrect saying that immigration was only a small part of it.

    The main problem with Brexit is that it sold itself as all things to all people.

    Anti-Immigration? Brexit is for you.
    Anti-EU? Brexit is for you.
    Anti-regulation? Brexit is for you.
    Want Britain to return to the "good old days"? Brexit is for you.
    Want to protest Cameron's government? Brexit is for you.

    So when it happened, the entire Brexit team hadn't a notion of how to actually execute on their promises, since their promises were often contradictory.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Padre_Pio wrote:
    So when it happened, the entire Brexit team hadn't a notion of how to actually execute on their promises, since their promises were often contradictory.

    As we are seeing every day in the lorry queues and empty shelves.

    The other bit they haven't absorbed yet is that they have taken themselves from a seat at the same table to a spot near the back of the queue.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Brexit was a movement against immigration. Farage plenty of photo-ops in front of signs showing migrants and "taking back control of borders" was a key slogan in the Brexit campaign.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-blames-outrage-over-8234755

    I agree that it was a perfect storm for the initial stage. Also people in the main who bought into it were absolutely ignorant of any of the points they were swallowing.

    But the last landslide victory for the Conservative party even though everyone had seen the issues meant that it was clear that they wanted out

    The biggest part in the whole story was the weak Labour leader. It was preferable to leave than have Corbyn as PM.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Brexit was a movement against immigration. Farage plenty of photo-ops in front of signs showing migrants and "taking back control of borders" was a key slogan in the Brexit campaign.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-blames-outrage-over-8234755

    Don't you mean 'Ex-Pats'?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Brexit was a movement against immigration. Farage plenty of photo-ops in front of signs showing migrants and "taking back control of borders" was a key slogan in the Brexit campaign.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-blames-outrage-over-8234755

    Yes that's correct. A move towards a points based immigration system to attract quality applicants. Similar to Canada and Australia. Two countries who are consistently among the best places to live in the world

    The uk recently offered a pathway to citizenship for over 3 million Hong Kong residents.

    The UK has a very diverse population. An example of this would the fact that in London white British born people are now the minority.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Yes that's correct. A move towards a points based immigration system to attract quality applicants. Similar to Canada and Australia. Two countries who are consistently among the best places to live in the world

    The uk recently offered a pathway to citizenship for over 3 million Hong Kong residents.

    The UK has a very diverse population. An example of this would the fact that in London white British born people are now the minority.

    Is it not that they are not the majority but still make up 45% of the population in London and much larger number than any other ethnicity?


  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Yes that's correct. A move towards a points based immigration system to attract quality applicants. Similar to Canada and Australia. Two countries who are consistently among the best places to live in the world

    That kind of makes it look like that the points bases immigration make them (or contribute towards them) being rated the best places to live in the world.
    Which list are you using for that rating and how many EU countries are on it.
    I had a quick google and on this list 5 of the top 10 are EU countries.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

    So points based immigration doesn't seem to have a huge impact on the quality of life but I suppose it depends what criteria was used to create the ranking.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Yes that's correct. A move towards a points based immigration system to attract quality applicants. Similar to Canada and Australia. Two countries who are consistently among the best places to live in the world

    You're equating having a points-based system to being a nice place to live. That's not true.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,615 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    You're equating having a points-based system to being a nice place to live. That's not true.

    It is also blaming immigrants for the countries problems. Inherent in the call for a points based system is that then only the 'good' immigrants will get in, rather than the useless load of scroungers they currently have.

    The theory seems to be that getting rid of all the wasters, which obviously are the cause of all the problems in the country both taking all the benefits and taking all the jobs, will sort out the problems and make everything great again.

    Noone seems to have stopped to ask why the UK ended up being this craphole that the immigrants are to blame for.

    Still, at least they have got their Brexit now so everything will be amazing in the UK from now on. What, what that you say, the deal they signed and rushed through seems to needs loads of work.

    I suppose that the immigrants fault as well.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Brexit is the fault of Merkel, nope it’s not the Onion it’s the Telegraph

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1353471490348474369

    Another day, another little erosion of the difference between the two.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Another day, another little erosion of the difference between the two.

    So wait, I thought the Telegraph were saying Brexit was a good thing? From that article, it doesn't look like was good at all.

    I'm very confused...


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    So wait, I thought the Telegraph were saying Brexit was a good thing? From that article, it doesn't look like was good at all.

    I'm very confused...

    The Telegraph flipped in January, once people started losing jobs.

    Queue Brexiters calling it another Fake Newspaper :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,714 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    The Telegraph flipped in January, once people started losing jobs.

    Queue Brexiters calling it another Fake Newspaper :rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Finally one thing that I'd agree with brexiteers on :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Whoops, looks like all the poor lads who rushed in to defend the Commision regardless of the circumstances might have more reason to blush now

    It was the Commisioner who made the call to trigger Article 16, it wasnt the by-product of some procedural mistake. She also admits the EU has made a bit of a balls of their vaccine strategy.

    "Von der Leyen also admitted she should never “even have thought” of invoking a clause in the Brexit withdrawal agreement to prevent vaccines crossing the border on the island of Ireland."

    Also revealed that commisioners arent even always aware of emergency decisions made by the commision (900 emergency decisions made since the pandemic began.) which is why Mairead McGuinness didnt know that the commision she sits on had just f***ed the GFA in the bin. Great to see strong checks and balances on the executive power given to unelected positions charged with running Europe. :o


    Another right gem here too: "If we conclude a contract, we need another five days for the member states to say, 'yes' — and these are five days, five working days. So obviously of course a decision taken by 27 lasts longer than if you just go by yourself, but I am deeply convinced that the European approach is the right one."

    Despite the fact that all the evidence is to the contrary. One the plus side, while it might take every countrys approval for a contract, the EU can impose a hard border on this island without even informing the Irish government, let alone needing their approval, so swings and roundabouts eh? :D

    https://www.politico.eu/article/von-der-leyen-says-eu-misjudged-complexity-of-manfacturing-coronavirus-vaccines-on-large-scale/


    Not to mind, lets all post about Johnson or Farage to distract ourselves. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Bambi wrote: »
    Whoops, looks like all the poor lads who rushed in to defend the Commision regardless of the circumstances might have more reason to blush now

    It was the Commisioner who made the call to trigger Article 16, it wasnt the by-product of some procedural mistake. She also admits the EU has made a bit of a balls of their vaccine strategy.

    "Von der Leyen also admitted she should never “even have thought” of invoking a clause in the Brexit withdrawal agreement to prevent vaccines crossing the border on the island of Ireland."

    Also revealed that commisioners arent even always aware of emergency decisions made by the commision (900 emergency decisions made since the pandemic began.) which is why Mairead McGuinness didnt know that the commision she sits on had just f***ed the GFA in the bin. Great to see strong checks and balances on the executive power given to unelected positions charged with running Europe. :o


    Another right gem here too: "If we conclude a contract, we need another five days for the member states to say, 'yes' — and these are five days, five working days. So obviously of course a decision taken by 27 lasts longer than if you just go by yourself, but I am deeply convinced that the European approach is the right one."

    Despite the fact that all the evidence is to the contrary. One the plus side, while it might take every countrys approval for a contract, the EU can impose a hard border on this island without even informing the Irish government, let alone needing their approval, so swings and roundabouts eh? :D

    https://www.politico.eu/article/von-der-leyen-says-eu-misjudged-complexity-of-manfacturing-coronavirus-vaccines-on-large-scale/


    Not to mind, lets all post about Johnson or Farage to distract ourselves. :)

    When did this happen?


  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    Any readers who have UK friends/relations get them to sign this petition, it`s already reached 100,000 in less than 24 hours, let the unaccountable, unelected EU know there will be no more Irish Sea border in the United Kingdom !!
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/573209


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,714 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    loughside wrote: »
    Any readers who have UK friends/relations get them to sign this petition, it`s already reached 100,000 in less than 24 hours, let the unaccountable, unelected EU know...
    Before I look at your petition, I'd like to see if you really understand what you're claiming.
    Who in the EU is unaccountable?
    Who in the EU is unelected?
    If the EU is unelected as you claim, how does it compare to the UK institutions?
    loughside wrote: »
    there will be no more Irish Sea border in the United Kingdom !!
    ...but the UK government agreed to this and the PM claimed it was a "good deal for the whole of Europe". He even tweeted this to celebrate his achievement...
    https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1342123159181516802


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    loughside wrote: »
    Any readers who have UK friends/relations get them to sign this petition, it`s already reached 100,000 in less than 24 hours, let the unaccountable, unelected EU know there will be no more Irish Sea border in the United Kingdom !!
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/573209

    Has the 'Government' responded yet?

    P.S. Why would the EU be concerned or respond to a petition in a third country? Is there a precedent for this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Granadino


    loughside wrote: »
    Any readers who have UK friends/relations get them to sign this petition, it`s already reached 100,000 in less than 24 hours, let the unaccountable, unelected EU know there will be no more Irish Sea border in the United Kingdom !!
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/573209

    Is it possible to verify where those signatures came from? Can they be "bought"? How many are from Eng, Wales, Scot I wonder.... As in, how many people on the "mainlawnd" :rolleyes: give a f*ck?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    loughside wrote: »
    Any readers who have UK friends/relations get them to sign this petition, it`s already reached 100,000 in less than 24 hours, let the unaccountable, unelected EU know there will be no more Irish Sea border in the United Kingdom !!
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/573209

    LOL that 25% of the signatures are apparently from NI. Looks like Team GB doesn't really give a f*ck :rolleyes:

    Since when are the EU unaccountable and unelected?
    We elect our MPs, same as every other country?

    There are groups within the EU who are not directly elected by us, but who are appointed by our MPs, so they're indirectly elected, same as many members of UK groups. Dominic Cummings, for instance, was the chief architect of BoJo's Brexit and he was unelected.

    Besides, Britain agreed to these checks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Granadino wrote: »
    Is it possible to verify where those signatures came from? Can they be "bought"? How many are from Eng, Wales, Scot I wonder.... As in, how many people on the "mainlawnd" :rolleyes: give a f*ck?

    I'd be extremely concerned as a Unionist, claiming this is of major importance to Unionists that only 100,000 people have signed it. Are there not almost a million of them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I'd be extremely concerned as a Unionist, claiming this is of major importance to Unionists that only 100,000 people have signed it. Are there not almost a million of them?

    Give them time, they're still on Windows 95.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,714 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Give them time, they're still on Windows 95.
    1795 that is!


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Granadino


    Just listen to Gregory Campbell here. He's a spoofer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000rwp4


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Somebody is analysing where the signatures are coming from:

    https://twitter.com/MorpheusNI/status/1357739480942264320

    It is kind of embarrassing is it not?...this petitions should be in the millions immediately if anyone in the UK, never mind NI, cared or thought there was a huge issue here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Granadino


    Somebody is analysing where the signatures are coming from:

    https://twitter.com/MorpheusNI/status/1357739480942264320

    It is kind of embarrassing is it not?...this petitions should be in the millions immediately if anyone in the UK, never mind NI, cared or thought there was a huge issue here.

    Very. But would the UK govt verify the e-signatures, as in, if they're all spam but over the required number , would the UK govt entetain the petition...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Granadino wrote: »
    Very. But would the UK govt verify the e-signatures, as in, if they're all spam but over the required number , would the UK govt entetain the petition...

    UK govt is gonna talk the talk and get some tweaks and then we carry on as we were.


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