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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)
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Boredstiff666 wrote: »Be a minimum of 23% cheaper. A minimum of 230 euro on every 1000.
Ehhh ... are you sure about that? :rolleyes:
Ireland's standard rate of VAT is 23%, with reduced rates of 13.5% and 9% on certain products. So stuff will be a maximum of 23% cheaper.
Unless, of course, you're buying a thousand euros' worth of tampons, currently zero-rated in Ireland but taxed at 5% in the UK ...
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CelticRambler wrote: »Ehhh ... are you sure about that? :rolleyes:
Ireland's standard rate of VAT is 23%, with reduced rates of 13.5% and 9% on certain products. So stuff will be a maximum of 23% cheaper.
Unless, of course, you're buying a thousand euros' worth of tampons, currently zero-rated in Ireland but taxed at 5% in the UK ...relax carry on wrote: »What are you basing that on? It's been pointed out to you multiple times there are multiple rates of VAT. If the UK look to remove VAT in its entirety from its own internal goods/services then the tax take which the UK used to receive from VAT will need to be replaced by something else. You'll literally replace one consumption tax with another.
You see this is what you are dealing with here.
A selection of people who cannot accept what has happened and will happen here in Ireland and also are obsessed with another country whose inhabitants by large do not know they exist.
Let alone from that in their haste to condemn anything that they oppose. They do not or incapable of even understanding what was written and what they are reading.
In my post which they refer too. I clearly pointed out that IF the vat was abolished in NI then goods would be at least 23% cheaper than here in the Republic. I also pointed out clearly that any loss to the Gov would be small because of the tiny population in NI.
So in their frantic attempt to muddy what people clearly say they just keep spouting gobbledygook and pure bollox. Then start the accusations game. Who the hell would travel to NI to buy a truck load of Tampax?
It really is a pure waste of time. I am beginning to think its just one or two people with multiple Boards accounts.0 -
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Boredstiff666 wrote: »I clearly pointed out that IF the vat was abolished in NI then goods would be at least 23% cheaper here in the Republic. I also pointed out clearly that any loss to the Gov would be small because of the tiny population in NI.
You postulated that the UK govt would abolish VAT
As a result, you stated that UK rates of VAT would not apply in NI, i.e. that goods sold in NI would be vat-free.
You did not, in any post, say that VAT in the RoI would inevitably be abolished.
But you did imply that it wouldn't because supposedly goods would be (a minimum of) 23% cheaper in NI, encouraging everyone from Dundalk to Skibbereen to do their shopping north of the border.
How on earth have you suddenly made the leap from that to saying that prices "here in the Republic" would be 23% cheaper?
It sounds like you don't really know how national sovereignty and economics work in practice. At the moment, I'm temporarily based in the border-zone of France, Germany and Switzerland. In France, VAT rates are 20%, 13%, 10%, 5.5% and 2.1%; In Germany, the rates are 19% and 7%; outside the EU, in Switzerland, they're 7.7%, 3.7% and 2.5%. Guess what? Nobody cares that there are ten different rates in operation within the space of a few hundred km².
And guess what else? The country with the lowest overall VAT rates (i.e., the one that's not in the EU) has the highest retail prices for just about everything.
So would you like to put real figures to your assertion, or is it just another hypothetical example like the "German car manufacturers" you cited above?0 -
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CelticRambler wrote: »
You postulated that the UK govt would abolish VAT
As a result, you stated that UK rates of VAT would not apply in NI, i.e. that goods sold in NI would be vat-free.
You did not, in any post, say that VAT in the RoI would inevitably be abolished.
But you did imply that it wouldn't because supposedly goods would be (a minimum of) 23% cheaper in NI, encouraging everyone from Dundalk to Skibbereen to do their shopping north of the border.
How on earth have you suddenly made the leap from that to saying that prices "here in the Republic" would be 23% cheaper?
It sounds like you don't really know how national sovereignty and economics work in practice. At the moment, I'm temporarily based in the border-zone of France, Germany and Switzerland. In France, VAT rates are 20%, 13%, 10%, 5.5% and 2.1%; In Germany, the rates are 19% and 7%; outside the EU, in Switzerland, they're 7.7%, 3.7% and 2.5%. Guess what? Nobody cares that there are ten different rates in operation within the space of a few hundred km².
And guess what else? The country with the lowest overall VAT rates (i.e., the one that's not in the EU) has the highest retail prices for just about everything.
So would you like to put real figures to your assertion, or is it just another hypothetical example like the "German car manufacturers" you cited above?
What the hell are you banging on about? I gave an example of abolishing vat in Northern Ireland only and that was in reference to a claim of open borders here between the south and north. Put whatever you are smoking down and go and rest somewhere with fresh air then read again.0 -
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Boredstiff666 wrote: »My point exactly and of no cost to the uk and a win win win situation to them. So Leo or? installs a hard border....classic dont you think.
Haven't you forgotten the signed, sealed and delivered frontstop? Those EU customs officers will be collecting VAT on the GB-NI border if there's any risk of those products entering the EU market, i.e. the boots of Irish-registered cars. It's all there in the Withdrawal Agreement, "oven ready" so to speak. 0 -
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It has been 12 hours, and *looks around* the place is still here.
I thought the Apocalypse would have happened by now.
It's a bit chilly over here, one of them.lazy winds that refuses to go around you so cuts right through ya. I'm off to morrisons shortly to stock up on essential, I'll report back and let you all know if the shelves are bare.0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »How would it not be seen as the first shots in an economic war designed to undermine the economy of a neighbouring state.Boredstiff666 wrote: »Not really nobody wants to hear about the place.....anywhere except Leo of course.
OK, so now the idea is that Boris can undermine the whole of the EU by leaving the standard UK VAT rate at 20% for the Scots, English and Welsh, but dropping it to zero for NI. And this'll work because 4 million Kerrymen will drive to Newry to take advantage of VAT-free televisions, but not a single one of the 60 million living on the island of Great Britain will abandon their local Currys-PCWorld to hop over to Belfast for the same reason?
I'm going to need another coffee to get my head around this logic. 0 -
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CelticRambler wrote: »Haven't you forgotten the signed, sealed and delivered frontstop? Those EU customs officers will be collecting VAT on the GB-NI border if there's any risk of those products entering the EU market, i.e. the boots of Irish-registered cars. It's all there in the Withdrawal Agreement, "oven ready" so to speak.
Exactly but none of this is cost or problems to the UK only EU countries.
Remember no hard border on the island of Ireland. But Leo has everyman and his dog checking cars, vans, and lorries.
They couldnt stop guns, rockets and people when the troubles where on and that was with the British army not a few Guards.0 -
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