Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

Risteard81 · 29-03-2021 5:46pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

Why is it the "Irish Republic" as opposed to "Ireland", the name of the state, or "Republic of Ireland", the description of the state? Why is "Nations" given an arbitrary capital letter?

These are not helpful questions to ask. Rationality, coherence, even sense, are not the strong suits in this particular post.

I referred to the Republic - not the 26-County statelet.

Padre_Pio · 29-03-2021 7:29pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

I referred to the Republic - not the 26-County statelet.

Do you live in the real world?

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 7:31pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

Brexit is a positive thing. The so-called "EU" is the enemy of the Irish Republic and all free Nations. It must be eradicated permanently.

It won't work, what I'm more concerned about is the damage it will do before they realise it...

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 7:33pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why is it the "so-called "EU""?

Probably because France and Germany seem to be running it...

Seth Brundle · 29-03-2021 7:40pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Probably because France and Germany seem to be running it...

Your evidence for this allegation is...?

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 7:48pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Your evidence for this allegation is...?

Even Stevie Wonder can see it....

https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/06/25/germany-is-doomed-to-lead-europe

ancapailldorcha · 29-03-2021 7:50pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Even Stevie Wonder can see it....

https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/06/25/germany-is-doomed-to-lead-europe

So nothing then. Did you even read that?

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 7:51pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Your evidence for this allegation is...?

Bet you're part of the brigade in complete denial that the EU is heading for a European superstate...

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 7:56pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

So nothing then. Did you even read that?

Everytime the agenda is set for the EU... Macron and Merkle are wheeled out... If you paid as much attention to the EU as you seem to think you do, that would be in neon lights...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1Y028W

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/02/04/brexit-is-a-revolt-against-german-run-europe-super-state---commentary.html

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/germany-s-intentions-for-the-eu-are-as-clear-now-as-they-were-in-1914-p5hst3tt3

"Pavilion members like Ireland will always be last on the list as the union’s paymasters advance their own interests"

ancapailldorcha · 29-03-2021 7:59pm

Why not make an argument in your own words instead if just dumping links? Since it's apparently so obvious, this should be easy.

VinLieger · 29-03-2021 8:00pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

I referred to the Republic - not the 26-County statelet.

You mean the revolutionary state that was voted by our popularly elected Dail to be replaced by the Irish Free State and officially ceased to exist in December 1922?

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 8:00pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why not make an argument in your own words instead if just dumping links? Since it's apparently so obvious, this should be easy.

I just did, as far as I remember you're another in the brigade of denying were the EU is headed, infact you've fought tooth and nail down through the years to defend the "unions" honour...

VinLieger · 29-03-2021 8:04pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Bet you're part of the brigade in complete denial that the EU is heading for a European superstate...

Why would it be a bad thing? Or can you tell me the other viable options for dealing with an increasingly belligerent Russia and China? Whose very obvious goals are to fracture and destroy the EU to further their own nationalistic agendas.

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 8:11pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Why would it be a bad thing? Or can you tell me the other viable options for dealing with an increasingly belligerent Russia and China? Whose very obvious goals are to fracture and destroy the EU to further their own nationalistic agendas.

For a whole lot of reasons, it's antidemocratic for a start, it doesn't even have people's consent.I'm a firm believer in the proclamation of independence.
Trying to foist some pseudo EU identity on people won't work, it reeks of the USSR, this obsession with making us all the same is tearing the soul out of countries.
From a cultural and national perspective, it's suicide.
Ah the ol chestnut of the bogey men of Russia and China... Funny how that's only come about in the last few years as the EU pushes it's federalist ambitions, as if it's trying desperately to justify and legitimise itself...
China and Russia are probably laughing all the way as Europe destroys itself...

First Up · 29-03-2021 8:25pm

Doctor Roast wrote:

Bet you're part of the brigade in complete denial that the EU is heading for a European superstate...

Could you describe the sequence of events that you think could lead to the nation states of Europe voting themselves out of existence?

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 8:28pm

First Up wrote: »

Could you describe the sequence of events that you think could lead to the nation states of Europe voting themselves out of existence?

We're already well down that road, the EU operates on integration through stealth... The brits copped on.. and left

By the way we all know how it goes when you vote against the EU.... Of course you wanted more EU

Risteard81 · 29-03-2021 8:35pm

VinLieger wrote: »

You mean the revolutionary state that was voted by our popularly elected Dail to be replaced by the Irish Free State and officially ceased to exist in December 1922?

It never ceased to exist. The Executive Council of the 2nd Dáil ceded its Governmental Authority to the Army to be held in trust until such time as the 3rd Dáil could convene.

First Up · 29-03-2021 8:37pm

Doctor Roast wrote:

We're already well down that road, the EU operates on integration through stealth... The brits copped on.. and left

Integration through stealth. Sounds fascinating - please tell us more.

ancapailldorcha · 29-03-2021 8:37pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

I just did, as far as I remember you're another in the brigade of denying were the EU is headed, infact you've fought tooth and nail down through the years to defend the "unions" honour...

No, you made a snarky comment and dumped a link to an opinion piece you clearly didn't read.

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 8:46pm

First Up wrote: »

Integration through stealth. Sounds fascinating - please tell us more.

You first.... please explain how we've gone from an economic bloc to a parliament, flag, anthem, governmental buildings, courts, currency, citizenship...anyone remember the referendums Europe wide on that... Didn't think so

Oh yeah in Ireland were we had to vote 4 times on 2 EU treaties, Denmark on Maastricht, the French and Dutch referendums on an EU constitution only to have their votes ignored and it brought in through the backdoor...

Looking forward to your reply

First Up · 29-03-2021 9:09pm

Doctor Roast wrote:

Looking forward to your reply

You don't like the EU, yes I get that.

But please chart the path to a super state. Especially the by stealth bit.

Doctor Roast · 29-03-2021 9:12pm

First Up wrote: »

You don't like the EU, yes I get that.

But please chart the path to a super state. Especially the by stealth bit.

So no answer... Case closed

FrancieBrady · 29-03-2021 9:21pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

You first.... please explain how we've gone from an economic bloc to a parliament, flag, anthem, governmental buildings, courts, currency, citizenship...anyone remember the referendums Europe wide on that... Didn't think so

Could you point to a 'democracy' where every single thing decided by the elected representatives has to go before the electorate for decision?

There isn't, we elect people and so give them permission to change things and t make decisions on our behalf.

Oh yeah in Ireland were we had to vote 4 times on 2 EU treaties, Denmark on Maastricht, the French and Dutch referendums on an EU constitution only to have their votes ignored and it brought in through the backdoor...

Looking forward to your reply

This has been explained so many times now it beggars belief. Scroll back and you'll find the answer to it.

First Up · 29-03-2021 9:29pm

Doctor Roast wrote:

So no answer... Case closed

So is the slippery slope to a super state.

Unless you know otherwise of course.....

Padre_Pio · 29-03-2021 9:32pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

You first.... please explain how we've gone from an economic bloc to a parliament, flag, anthem, governmental buildings, courts, currency, citizenship...anyone remember the referendums Europe wide on that... Didn't think so

Oh yeah in Ireland were we had to vote 4 times on 2 EU treaties, Denmark on Maastricht, the French and Dutch referendums on an EU constitution only to have their votes ignored and it brought in through the backdoor...

Looking forward to your reply

Oh God, every point makes me want to puke.
Some lads need an enemy to fight. Bunch of champagne socialists.

I could bother, but there's no point. you're clearly entrenched in your views and not willing to accept any input.

Oh yeah in Ireland were we had to vote 4 times on 2 EU treaties

Please, read a book.

Risteard81 · 29-03-2021 9:37pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This has been explained so many times now it beggars belief. Scroll back and you'll find the answer to it.

Indeed there is an answer to why Nice 2 and Lisbon 2 happened.

That answer is Treason.

Padre_Pio · 29-03-2021 9:44pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

Indeed there is an answer to why Nice 2 and Lisbon 2 happened.

That answer is Treason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZkTnJnLR0

FrancieBrady · 29-03-2021 9:48pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

Indeed there is an answer to why Nice 2 and Lisbon 2 happened.

That answer is Treason.

With a capital T? Must be serious.

Voting in a referendum is treason now.

Padre_Pio · 29-03-2021 9:54pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

With a capital T? Must be serious.

Voting in a referendum is treason now.

This undemocratic EU, full of elected MPs, foisting their rules on us through referendums after we voted to join.

And for what? What have the EU ever done for us?!
Apart from the following:

Irish businesses have unhindered access to a market of over 510 million people
An estimated 978,000 jobs have been created in Ireland during the years of membership and trade has increased 150 fold
Foreign Direct Investment in to Ireland have increased dramatically from just €16 million in 1972 to more than €30 billion
Irish citizens have the right to move, work and reside freely within the territory of other member states
Between 1973 and 2015, Ireland received over €74.3 billion from the EU. During the same time, it contributed approximately €32 billion to the EU budget (Department of Finance figures).
Between 1973 and 2014 Irish farmers received €54 billion from the Common Agricultural Policy.
Irish views and interests are reflected in the policies of the EU towards the rest of the world.
EU membership has helped bring peace and political agreement in Northern Ireland through support and investment in cross-border programmes.
The Irish language is an official working language in the EU, which helps to protect the country’s native mother tongue for future generations.

VinLieger · 29-03-2021 9:57pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

It never ceased to exist. The Executive Council of the 2nd Dáil ceded its Governmental Authority to the Army to be held in trust until such time as the 3rd Dáil could convene.

LOL this is like some of the qanon freemen madness where they claim the US government became a corporation in 1871 and every law passed since then is illegitimate

Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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