Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

FrancieBrady · 06-05-2021 3:37pm

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

The real questions in today's hoopla with Boris sending in gunboats are

What is Boris trying to hide/distract from now?
Is this a deliberate ploy to influnce election by strocking the nationistic appendage?

The Scots could take another massive step another Indy Referendum today...perfect distraction = overreact.

06-05-2021 3:38pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

With the right breeze and a neap tide you can cross the channel in approx 4 hours...under SAIL.
How quickly could a 'warship' cruising at over 20 knots be there? A couple of hours at most.

Condor ferries take 8 hours. Maybe they should buy a sail boat instead

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anyway, seems the French have done what they said and returned in the afternoon after protesting so it's the UK left looking silly and OTT here.

only in your little world Francie.

06-05-2021 3:39pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Delusional post. All of the things I have described have actually already happened. You're alleging more of the same is hyperbole.

If you mean people in Northern Ireland rioting, yes I agree that is more than likely going to happen again.

Not sure what your on about with sabre rattling to be honest.

FrancieBrady · 06-05-2021 3:43pm

Aegir wrote: »

Condor ferries take 8 hours. Maybe they should buy a sail boat instead

Clearly you have no idea what you are on about, hence the snide answer.

A ship cruising the channel in excess of 20 knits would cross in a matter of hours.

Condor Ferries cross in 4 hours.

The Poole Jersey ferry route connects England with Jersey. Currently there is just the 1 ferry company operating this ferry service, Condor Ferries. The crossing operates up to 7 times each week with sailing durations from around 4 hours 30 minutes.

06-05-2021 3:47pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Clearly you have no idea what you are on about, hence the snide answer.

A ship cruising the channel in excess of 20 knits would cross in a matter of hours.

Condor Ferries cross in 4 hours.

Clearly the Royal Navy should move their base to Poole then, just in case the French try it again :rolleyes:

ambro25 · 06-05-2021 3:47pm

Aegir wrote: »

at what point will the zombie apocalypse happen?

Why do you think Astra Zeneca insisted on that liability waiver from HMG to get the vaccine early?

steddyeddy · 06-05-2021 3:59pm

The BBC reporting on today's events. Looks like this will get worse before it gets better.

A spokesman for fishermen from France's Normandy region suggested that no progress had been made during the talks.

"We're getting deeper into deadlock," Hugo Lehuby told Reuters news agency. "Either this gets resolved, or retaliatory measures are taken."

Look at the dichotomy between the EU and UK statements.

In Brussels, a European Commission spokeswoman said "additional conditions" attached to the new licences were a breach of the Brexit trade deal.

Meanwhile, No 10 said, in a call with Jersey officials, Prime Minister Boris Johnson had given his "unequivocal support" for the island and confirmed that the two Royal Navy vessels would "remain in place to monitor the situation as a precautionary measure".

So in other words the British government have broken another of their negotiated agreements and they've sent out navy vessels as a precautionary measure.

FrancieBrady · 06-05-2021 4:09pm

Aegir wrote: »

Clearly the Royal Navy should move their base to Poole then, just in case the French try it again :rolleyes:

Why would they do that when HMS Tamar is based in Portsmouth and has a speed of 25 knots.

FrancieBrady · 06-05-2021 4:11pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

The BBC reporting on today's events. Looks like this will get worse before it gets better.

Look at the dichotomy between the EU and UK statements.

So in other words the British government have broken another of their negotiated agreements and they've sent out navy vessels as a precautionary measure.

The Jersey people might want to have a word with Arlene Foster about Boris's reassurances.

An Claidheamh · 06-05-2021 4:16pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Jersey people might want to have a word with Arlene Foster about Boris's reassurances.

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06-05-2021 4:22pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

The BBC reporting on today's events. Looks like this will get worse before it gets better.

Look at the dichotomy between the EU and UK statements.

So in other words the British government have broken another of their negotiated agreements and they've sent out navy vessels as a precautionary measure.

Which bit of the agreement did the UK government break? What clauses did the UK government put in place that are controversial?

Why are the French taking action against Jersey and not Guernsey?

if you can work out the answer to that, then you will work out a lot more about the situation.

06-05-2021 4:27pm

Why did the brits send in a gunship to a protest?

Overheal · 06-05-2021 4:30pm

winstonia83 wrote: »

Why did the brits send in a gunship to a protest?

Shellfish ambitions

06-05-2021 4:32pm

winstonia83 wrote: »

Why did the brits send in a gunship to a protest?

Riot police can’t swim.

06-05-2021 4:32pm

Overheal wrote: »

Shellfish ambitions

But they can't even sell them to the French. Jersey better off leaving if it can.

06-05-2021 4:37pm

winstonia83 wrote: »

But they can't even sell them to the French. Jersey better off leaving if it can.

Actually, scrap that. I forgot Jersey is a tax heaven for the wealthy so I doubt fishing accounts for much.

06-05-2021 4:45pm

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

However, speaking at a press conference, reports The Independent, in Brussels, Commission spokesperson Vivian Loonela said: “On 30 April, the Commission was notified by the UK authorities of granting 41 licences to the EU vessels fishing in Jersey territorial waters from 1 May.

“But there were additional conditions set to these licences. We have following the receiving of this, indicated to the UK that we see that the provisions of the EU/UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement, that we recently agreed, have not been met there, have not being respected.”

Under the terms of the deal any new conditions limiting EU fishing activities in UK water must be based on a clear scientific rationale, be non-discriminatory between the UK and European boats and be notified in advance to the other party, said Ms Loonela.

Loonela said: “Based on that, we have indicated that until we have received further justifications from the UK authorities we consider that these new conditions should not apply.”

“We are continuing our discussions with the UK, we are calling for calm in this situation, we are doing as foreseen in the agreement as well as keeping in mind the best interests of our fishing community. Full compliance with the TCA is essential in this process.”

So which clauses were added by the UK government and why is Jersey being singled out?

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-05-2021 4:53pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing these famous British electricity boats at Jersey

You do know Jersey has it's own fully functioning power plant right?

FrancieBrady · 06-05-2021 4:56pm

Aegir wrote: »

So which clauses were added by the UK government and why is Jersey being singled out?

Protest resources obviously. They are protesting by focusing on Jersey, the nearest part of the UK to them...seems simple enough.

FrancieBrady · 06-05-2021 4:57pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You do know Jersey has it's own fully functioning power plant right?

Jesus...it's clearly a benefit to them to get power from France, or else they'd be...well work it out yourself. :rolleyes:

06-05-2021 5:09pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Protest resources obviously. They are protesting by focusing on Jersey, the nearest part of the UK to them...seems simple enough.

yep, that's what I thought.

How about you do a bit of reading up on the subject

https://www.bbc.com/news/57001584

06-05-2021 5:10pm

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Obviously the EU think agreement is being broken by UK and they said just that, uk does have a long history of breaking agreements as well.

Something is very fishy here

you do know that Jersey isn't actually in the UK, right?

steddyeddy · 06-05-2021 5:13pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You do know Jersey has it's own fully functioning power plant right?

Some power station.....

An estimated 95% of the island's electricity arrives by undersea cables from France, which is only 14 miles away.

06-05-2021 5:21pm

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

The real question does Boris?

He signed an international agreement (on behalf of jersey) which is being broken it seems

I would bet my life savings no Boris knowing a lot more about the situation than you do.

FrancieBrady · 06-05-2021 5:21pm

Aegir wrote: »

yep, that's what I thought.

How about you do a bit of reading up on the subject

https://www.bbc.com/news/57001584

The French fishermen are unhappy about the British reneging on deals about fishing rights. They are obvoiously targeting areas. First imports to Boulonge now Jersey. Seems fairly clear to me.

10000maniacs · 06-05-2021 5:23pm

the Jersey locals are firing shots. LOL.

https://twitter.com/ITVChannelTV/status/1390209161317728257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1390209161317728257%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ladbible.com%2Fnews%2Fuk-man-from-jersey-re-enactment-group-fires-musket-at-french-boats-20210506

steddyeddy · 06-05-2021 5:40pm

Aegir wrote: »

I would bet my life savings no Boris knowing a lot more about the situation than you do.

You're saying Boris "no border in the Irish sea" Johnson is up on the details of the deals he signs?

06-05-2021 6:17pm

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

The bbc article YOU posted had this gem

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However, the UK government is ultimately responsible for its international relationships. That's why access to fishing waters around the Channel Islands are dealt with specifically in the new UK-EU trade agreement.
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I would bet that Boris did not read “the best deal ever” he put his signature on

Not it seems you read articles you post

yes, so basically the States of Jersey tell the UK government what they want the UK government manages that on their behalf.

So the basic agreement is that French fishing boats that have a history to fish in Jersey waters can continue to fish there, subject to them getting a licence. Job done, UK and EU agree this, all put to bed.

The Bailiwick of Jersey issues those licences and appear to have put some additional requirements in there, or been a bit fast with the number of days it is allowing boats to fish.

This is why (and the thing francie can't get his head around) the French maritime minster made the frankly bizarre threat to cut off the power to Jersey and why the boats went there this morning, not because it's close to France and easier to get to.

The UK, as part of it's obligations to Jersey as a Crown dependency, is also responsible for the martime protection of the Channel islands and this includes fisheries, hence the Royal Navy (and not Dorset police:rolleyes:) sending two fisheries protection ships over to monitor the situation.

FrancieBrady · 06-05-2021 7:01pm

Aegir wrote: »

yes, so basically the States of Jersey tell the UK government what they want the UK government manages that on their behalf.

So the basic agreement is that French fishing boats that have a history to fish in Jersey waters can continue to fish there, subject to them getting a licence. Job done, UK and EU agree this, all put to bed.

The Bailiwick of Jersey issues those licences and appear to have put some additional requirements in there, or been a bit fast with the number of days it is allowing boats to fish.

This is why (and the thing francie can't get his head around) the French maritime minster made the frankly bizarre threat to cut off the power to Jersey and why the boats went there this morning, not because it's close to France and easier to get to.

The UK, as part of it's obligations to Jersey as a Crown dependency, is also responsible for the martime protection of the Channel islands and this includes fisheries, hence the Royal Navy (and not Dorset police:rolleyes:) sending two fisheries protection ships over to monitor the situation.

They could have 'monitored' it with a pair of binoculars from the coast and had a warship there within hours if the French suddenly used their fishing fleet to invade or begin firing missiles.

The UK look like overreacting Britannia Rules the Waves fools Aegir, AGAIN, not to mention irresponsible fools.

06-05-2021 7:25pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They could have 'monitored' it with a pair of binoculars from the coast and had a warship there within hours if the French suddenly used their fishing fleet to invade or begin firing missiles.

The UK look like overreacting Britannia Rules the Waves fools Aegir, AGAIN, not to mention irresponsible fools.

Francie, you are just being daft.

Navies carry out fisheries protection, it’s part of their job.

That’s why an Irish warship arrested a northern Irish fishing crew off Dundalk a few years back, not a copper in a dinghy.

Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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