Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

bob mcbob · 04-02-2020 12:01pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

And worth pointing out in this context that the Scottish Parliament does have the power to vary the basic rate of income tax in Scotland, if it chooses. It has never exercised that power, but the principle that, legally and constitutionally, there can be different tax rates in different parts of the UK is well settled. Plus, of course, there have long been calls in NI for corporation tax rates there to be aligned to rates in the Republic, which again would mean different corporation tax rates in NI and GB.

While the tax rates are the same, the thresholds for these tax rates are lower in Scotland than in the rest of the UK (ie the point at which higher rate tax starts is lower in Scotland).

Risteard81 · 04-02-2020 2:16pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Ireland needs to prepare for no-deal. Britain is heading for a major collision with reality, by the looks of it. In the medium term we need to get the British state out of the six counties and in the longer term we need to quit the farce of 'neutrality' and get fully behind a federal EU.

Supporting "EU" federalism is treasonous.

For what died the sons of Róisín?

marieholmfan · 04-02-2020 2:19pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

Supporting "EU" federalism is treasonous.

For what died the sons of Róisín?

Fame I think. Or maybe gold.

ancapailldorcha · 04-02-2020 2:25pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

Supporting "EU" federalism is treasonous.

For what died the sons of Róisín?

Accusing people of treason is an emotional and, frankly weak argument.

Boredstiff666 · 04-02-2020 4:18pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Accusing people of treason is an emotional and, frankly weak argument.

If a person supports the authority and control of it's people to be transferred to another power other than it's own elected government.......Would that be Treason?

It's 1924 and somebody proposes that laws made in Britain are to overule laws made in the Dail. Then they transfer that power to Westminster.......would that be Treason or a Treasonous act?

Would somebody not living in Ireland but supporting such publically.......Would that person be seen as a traitor?

joeguevara · 04-02-2020 4:32pm

I have seen so often in this and other threads that posters slip in, cause something an act of treason (e.g. Lisbon 2) and when asked to explain why it is disappear.

Treason is not an adjective. It is a defined act in Ireland. It is as follows: in levying war against the State, or assisting any State or person or inciting or conspiring with any person to levy war against the State, or attempting by force of arms or other violent means to overthrow the organs of government established by this Constitution, or taking part or being concerned in or inciting or conspiring with any person to make or to take part or be concerned in any such attempt

Being part of the EU or any action Ireland has taken so far with the EU is not treason.

Boredstiff666 · 04-02-2020 4:33pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Ireland needs to prepare for no-deal. Britain is heading for a major collision with reality, by the looks of it. In the medium term we need to get the British state out of the six counties and in the longer term we need to quit the farce of 'neutrality' and get fully behind a federal EU.

There will be a 'no deal' as you say. Whether the UK wants it or not that is going to be the result. But also the EU will start to break up in it's present form.

That's what I think will happen throughout the year maybe next year.

relax carry on · 04-02-2020 4:51pm

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

There will be a 'no deal' as you say. Whether the UK wants it or not that is going to be the result. But also the EU will start to break up in it's present form.

That's what I think will happen throughout the year maybe next year.

How do you think a no deal scenario between the UK and the EU which can't happen until the end of this year will lead to the break up of the EU in its present form this year or next year. What are you basing that on?

GhostofKNugget · 04-02-2020 4:57pm

relax carry on wrote: »

How do you think a no deal scenario between the UK and the EU which can't happen until the end of this year will lead to the break up of the EU in its present form this year or next year. What are you basing that on?

I presume he's guessing that the UK will be so wildly successful outside the EU that the rest of the countries will jump ship to the sunny uplands of WTO rules.

ancapailldorcha · 04-02-2020 5:03pm

Are we seriously back to this?

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Junkyard Tom · 04-02-2020 6:05pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

Supporting "EU" federalism is treasonous.

For what died the sons of Róisín?

How utterly clueless do you have to be to not understand that being in the EU enhances Irish sovereignty? During the recent Brexit negotiations, if we hadn't been in the EU, we'd have been told by the British 'shut the **** up, Paddy' (metaphorically) and we'd be looking at a hard border back through the country.

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

But also the EU will start to break up in it's present form.

On the contrary. The utter mess Britain has gotten itself in will serve as a hard lesson in 21st Century geopolitics.

threeball · 04-02-2020 6:13pm

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

There will be a 'no deal' as you say. Whether the UK wants it or not that is going to be the result. But also the EU will start to break up in it's present form.

That's what I think will happen throughout the year maybe next year.

Serious delusions of how important the UK is to Europe. It was never a full participant as can been seen with them not adopting the Euro. The anti-EU sentiment has been shelved all over Europe including Italy. The UK is on its Tobler.

Boredstiff666 · 04-02-2020 6:16pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

How utterly clueless do you have to be to not understand that being in the EU enhances Irish sovereignty? During the recent Brexit negotiations, if we hadn't been in the EU, we'd have been told by the British 'shut the **** up, Paddy' (metaphorically) and we'd be looking at a hard border back through the country.

On the contrary. The utter mess Britain has gotten itself in will serve as a hard lesson in 21st Century geopolitics.

It doesnt matter whose mess it is or who is to blame.

You lot or should I say the Boards 'Anti's' seem to think all will be well in Euro land and 1+1=2 etc. But in reality we all know life aint like that.

If it was then everything in life would be easy but also very boring.

There must be as many anti EU people in the EU now as pro EU so we will see what happens as well as the outside forces who will also stick their oar in to help things along.

After all Leo thought it would be plain sailing. He even thought up to last weekend that all he had to do is shout EU great and British fools and the electorate would fall at his feet.

People want change and will do the strangest things.

Boredstiff666 · 04-02-2020 6:18pm

threeball wrote: »

Serious delusions of how important the UK is to Europe. It was never a full participant as can been seen with them not adopting the Euro. The anti-EU sentiment has been shelved all over Europe including Italy. The UK is on its Tobler.

Haven't mentioned the UK causing no deal in my post. I think severe paranoia has set in already.

GhostofKNugget · 04-02-2020 6:28pm

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

There must be as many anti EU people in the EU now as pro EU so we will see what happens as well as the outside forces who will also stick their oar in to help things along.

Why must there be as many anti-EU now?

Junkyard Tom · 04-02-2020 6:36pm

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

There must be as many anti EU people in the EU now as pro EU

You're wrong.

so we will see what happens as well as the outside forces who will also stick their oar in to help things along.

Boredstiff666 · 04-02-2020 6:41pm

GhostofKNugget wrote: »

Why must there be as many anti-EU now?

Cus there is. Theres also lots in Ireland as well but they dont come on Boards.

GhostofKNugget · 04-02-2020 6:42pm

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Cus there is. Theres also lots in Ireland as well but they dont come on Boards.

Right...

First Up · 04-02-2020 6:47pm

Boredstiff666 wrote:

Cus there is. Theres also lots in Ireland as well but they dont come on Boards.

They don't vote for anti EU parties either.

Boredstiff666 · 04-02-2020 6:49pm

First Up wrote: »

They don't vote for anti EU parties either.

They do in europe.

First Up · 04-02-2020 6:50pm

Boredstiff666 wrote:

They do in europe.

You mean in the countries in the EU?

threeball · 04-02-2020 7:16pm

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Haven't mentioned the UK causing no deal in my post. I think severe paranoia has set in already.

Your post isn't even relevant to what I posted. If you can't even read it how do you expect to make a coherent argument.

Professor Moriarty · 04-02-2020 7:23pm

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

It doesnt matter whose mess it is or who is to blame.

You lot or should I say the Boards 'Anti's' seem to think all will be well in Euro land and 1+1=2 etc. But in reality we all know life aint like that.

If it was then everything in life would be easy but also very boring.

There must be as many anti EU people in the EU now as pro EU so we will see what happens as well as the outside forces who will also stick their oar in to help things along.

After all Leo thought it would be plain sailing. He even thought up to last weekend that all he had to do is shout EU great and British fools and the electorate would fall at his feet.

People want change and will do the strangest things.

Au contraire. In fact:

"62% of citizens believe that their countries' EU membership is a good thing, whilst over two-thirds of respondents (68 %) are convinced that their country has benefited from being a member of the EU. This is the highest score ever measured since 1983."

Boredstiff666 · 04-02-2020 7:37pm

It really is too easy. If anyone was looking for names I could log em all in less than 5 minutes.:D

Irishmale0399 · 04-02-2020 7:49pm

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

It really is too easy. If anyone was looking for names I could log em all in less than 5 minutes.:D

Just out of interest what condition do you think Irish roads and motorways would be in without the EU?? What do you think tourism, colleges etc. would look like??

Padre_Pio · 04-02-2020 8:27pm

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Just out of interest what condition do you think Irish roads and motorways would be in without the EU?? What do you think tourism, colleges etc. would look like??

Ireland would be a backwater without the EU.

We'd be like Moldova or one of those places.

fly_agaric · 04-02-2020 8:29pm

It's all been going downhill since the British departed and left us in our own muck really.
But if we take the sage advice of this thread's little Brexit fanclub we can be out of the EU and back on the path to greatness arm in arm with the UK.
Tune up God Save the Queen!