Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

Leroy42

Donald Trump wrote: »

I'm not sure where you are getting "plan" from......it's just that they don't care that more poor or vulnerable people will die if they take the option that will cost them least expense personally.

And where are you getting that from? I mean it is quite a position to take that Johnson is actually fine with people, his own countrymen, dying.

Donald Trump

Leroy42 wrote: »

And where are you getting that from? I mean it is quite a position to take that Johnson is actually fine with people, his own countrymen, dying.

About 10 posts back. A quote from Mr Cummings, Boris' advisor

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112912162&postcount=2141

You might say that "at least Boris didn't say that", but how long did he dither while the rest of the world were screaming at him to take things seriously

Leroy42

Donald Trump wrote: »

About 10 posts back. A quote from Mr Cummings, Boris' advisor

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112912162&postcount=2141

You might say that "at least Boris didn't say that", but how long did he dither while the rest of the world were screaming at him to take things seriously

Which has been denied. There is no doubt that people are going to die from this, everyone knows that, it is up to the likes of Johnson to limit the damage.

But I don't think it is some plan to systematically kill off the poor etc. It is down to incompetence and arrogance. They really believed they knew better. They felt that they knew everything, they had been right about Brexit ref, right about the GE, they were Kings of the World. And they don't want to the world to change because they might not be kings anymore.

Do I think Cummins and Johnson would happily sacrifice people for that? Yes, totally, wrapped in the 'greater good' nonsense.

It is just that I don't think it is some big conspiracy. So I think we both agree on the overall, just how they got to that position is where we differ.

Donald Trump

Leroy42 wrote: »

Which has been denied. There is no doubt that people are going to die from this, everyone knows that, it is up to the likes of Johnson to limit the damage.

But I don't think it is some plan to systematically kill off the poor etc. It is down to incompetence and arrogance. They really believed they knew better. They felt that they knew everything, they had been right about Brexit ref, right about the GE, they were Kings of the World. And they don't want to the world to change because they might not be kings anymore.

Do I think Cummins and Johnson would happily sacrifice people for that? Yes, totally, wrapped in the 'greater good' nonsense.

It is just that I don't think it is some big conspiracy. So I think we both agree on the overall, just how they got to that position is where we differ.

I don't think that anyone talked about a big conspiracy. They are not actively trying to kill off anyone.

Point was that they didn't appear care that their strategy would impose collateral damage on the vulnerable.
Or at least, given the choice between potentially less disruption to the economy vs less avoidable deaths, they appear to have gone for the former.

If Johnson or his family catches corona, do you think they'll be lying in the makeshift ward which used to be a hospital canteen? More than likely not. If the economy contracts severely, do you think he will lose personal wealth? Most likely.

If he wants herd immunity, let him send his family to some hospital to pick it up.

AllForIt

This constant barrage of criticism of BJ's demeanor never got anyone anywhere, including that second rate journalist Ian Dunt, who seems to spend every waking moment of his life dreaming up new angles of criticism which after a while you notice are just the same rehashed points over and over again, like you see on this thread. What a bore.

It didn't work before the last UK election and it's not working now.

May was too cold, Mogg is too posh, Boris is too Boris, yawn yawn.

Professor Moriarty

AllForIt wrote: »

This constant barrage of criticism of BJ's demeanor never got anyone anywhere, including that second rate journalist Ian Dunt, who seems to spend every waking moment of his life dreaming up new angles of criticism which after a while you notice are just the same rehashed points over and over again, like you see on this thread. What a bore.

It didn't work before the last UK election and it's not working now.

May was too cold, Mogg is too posh, Boris is too Boris, yawn yawn.

Apart from the fact that his 'demeanour' is just a persona, Johnson's ineptitude behind his 'endearing eccentric' facade will cost thousands of lives. His dithering in taking meaningful steps to tackle the coronavirus outbreak was criminal and so they have no hope of flattening the curve now, unfortunately. Britain will suffer because of this herd immunity bullsh1t and lack of leadership.

AllForIt

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Apart from the fact that his 'demeanour' is just a persona, Johnson's ineptitude behind his 'endearing eccentric' facade will cost thousands of lives. His dithering in taking meaningful steps to tackle the coronavirus outbreak was criminal and so they have no hope of flattening the curve now, unfortunately. Britain will suffer because of this herd immunity bullsh1t and lack of leadership.

Apart from you nitpicking over my choice of nouns the rest does't particularly address anything I said so I'm not quite sure why you quoted me.

Not that I'm saying you don't have every right to use BJ's management of this crisis to criticize him in every hysterical conceivable way you can think of, go right ahead. I actually find it rather amusing.

Professor Moriarty

AllForIt wrote: »

Apart from you nitpicking over my choice of nouns the rest does't particularly address anything I said so I'm not quite sure why you quoted me.

Not that I'm saying you don't have every right to use BJ's management of this crisis to undermine him in every hysterical conceivable way you can think of, go right ahead. I actually find it rather amusing.

Didn't nitpick. My point is that his facade hides his ineptitude. Read my post again in that context. Anyway, if you think that pointing out that his terrible dithering and lack of leadership will lead to thousands of deaths is 'hysterical' then I don't think you understand what's going to happen in Britain in the next few weeks.

davedanon

AllForIt wrote: »

Apart from you nitpicking over my choice of nouns

He wasn't. He was correcting your spelling. Possibly you didn't notice.

davedanon

Also, Prof. Moriarty has named himself well. Characterising anything he/she/other (I'm just gonna put hso from now on) posts as 'hysterical' is sort of laughable. But well done you. Straight out of RWNJ 101, that one.

timetogo1

AllForIt wrote: »

May was too cold, Mogg is too posh, Boris is too Boris, yawn yawn.

May is was too cold and Mogg is too posh. Are those the only criticisms that you think Dunt and other commentators have for those two?

McGiver

AllForIt wrote:

This constant barrage of criticism of BJ's demeanor never got anyone anywhere, including that second rate journalist Ian Dunt, who seems to spend every waking moment of his life dreaming up new angles of criticism which after a while you notice are just the same rehashed points over and over again, like you see on this thread. What a bore.

This is called a democratic opposition and a proper journalism. I think you would appreciate living in Turkey or Russia where journalists criticising the government are jailed or simply disappear.

Donald Trump

Nearly 8 weeks and no updates to this thread? A bit like the UK "negotiators" understanding of reality methinks - no updates or improvements over time!

I see in the papers that they still won't agree to a level playing field conditions, citing that Brexit was supposed to do away with "red tape"......while at the same time gleefully hurtling towards a situation where they won't have access to what is currently their biggest market

Some shower of clowns to be still at that messing at this stage

blinding

The Eu does not Respect British democracy. These is no point in attempting to negotiate with an Organisation like the Eu and Barnier when they do not Respect the democracy of your Country.

There will be No Deal.

Padre_Pio

blinding wrote: »

The Eu does not Respect British democracy. These is no point in attempting to negotiate with an Organisation like the Eu and Barnier when they do not Respect the democracy of your Country.

There will be No Deal.

Didn't take you long to come out of the woodwork.

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

The Eu does not Respect British democracy. These is no point in attempting to negotiate with an Organisation like the Eu and Barnier when they do not Respect the democracy of your Country.

There will be No Deal.

That kind of waffle makes me think of mock elections they might run in a primary school to teach the children about elections - the winner would invariably be the "candidate" with a manifesto of no homework and no classes except for PE and football.
But the anti-democratic teacher bastards never respected the democratic vote :pac:


I organised a vote in the house here last night and 100% of the people here voted that the EU should give everyone here 100m Euro each. 100%!!!! But I'd imagine the anti-democratic EU will ignore that "will of the people" vote. I wonder if we should take our case to the UN. Whaddaya think?

blinding

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Didn't take you long to come out of the woodwork.

Lovers of Democracy are not easily Cowed. Something the Eu can’t handle.

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

Lovers of Democracy are not easily Cowed. Something the Eu can’t handle.

The people of the UK love democracy that they held one referendum in the last X years....which was explicitly qualified in advance as (legally) a non-binding vote. Why would they put up with that if they like it so much?


Mad that, innit?

Padre_Pio

blinding wrote: »

Lovers of democracy are not easily cowed. Something the EU can’t handle.

Not easily taught grammar either.

Don't worry, you'll be thread banned again soon enough.

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

That kind of waffle makes me think of mock elections they might run in a primary school to teach the children about elections - the winner would invariably be the "candidate" with a manifesto of no homework and no classes except for PE and football.
But the anti-democratic teacher bastards never respected the democratic vote :pac:


I organised a vote in the house here last night and 100% of the people here voted that the EU should give everyone here 100m Euro each. 100%!!!! But I'd imagine the anti-democratic EU will ignore that "will of the people" vote. I wonder if we should take our case to the UN. Whaddaya think?

Brexit won every election in Britain since the Brexit referendum. Parties that said they would respect the Democracy of their Country that is.

Did you see what happened to Jo Swinson and the Anti-Democratic Liberal Democrats ? ?

Did you see what happened to the Anti-Democratic Change Uk ? ?

Did you see what happened to Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party when they changed their position from respecting the result of the 2016 Brexit referendum ? ?

The Eu because it does not respect democracy cannot cope with that you can lose in a democracy. Bye Bye Eu from Britain. Brilliant Democratic Decision from the British People.

The Irish people better make sure they do no upset the Eu again. The Irish establishment and the Eu won’t be allowing any more no’s from the Irish people. It’ll be all nodding donkeys from now on ! ! !

blinding

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Not easily taught grammar either.

Don't worry, you'll be thread banned again soon enough.

Dissent must not be Allowed in the Most Glorious Eu Empire :eek::eek::eek:

Nobody can Declare that the Emperor is Bollock Naked ! ! ! :eek::eek::eek:

No Dissent Allowed ! Where in Central Europe did we hear that Before ! ! !


I do have to admire how well the Eu looks after the Migrant Labour in Brussels and Strasbourg;);):D:D

Keelings and the likes should have a look, at the looking after those Migrant Labourers get ;):D:D

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

Brexit won every election in Britain since the Brexit referendum. Parties that said they would respect the Democracy of their Country that is.

Did you see what happened to Jo Swinson and the Anti-Democratic Liberal Democrats ? ?

Did you see what happened to the Anti-Democratic Change Uk ? ?

Did you see what happened to Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party when they changed their position from respecting the result of the 2016 Brexit referendum ? ?

The Eu because it does not respect democracy cannot cope with that you can lose in a democracy. Bye Bye Eu from Britain. Brilliant Democratic Decision from the British People.

The Irish people better make sure they do no upset the Eu again. The Irish establishment and the Eu won’t be allowing any more no’s from the Irish people. It’ll be all nodding donkeys from now on ! ! !

UK are some gobshites to be going on about democracy given the number of their colonies which had to resort to armed insurrection to obtain their own independence. But that is a topic for a different thread.





Nobody is stopping the UK leaving. In fact they are already gone and not a single bullet fired in anger to achieve that! As the thread says - the should "piss off and get on with Brexit".


The UK electorate can vote "democratically" all they like that the EU has to give them X or Y. They are not in the EU and don't have a say. They'll (possibly) get an offer and then they can take it or leave it.

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

The people of the UK love democracy that they held one referendum in the last X years....which was explicitly qualified in advance as (legally) a non-binding vote. Why would they put up with that if they like it so much?


Mad that, innit?

Except the Politicians both before and after said the result would be respected.:D:D

The Before bit was when they thought / were sure they would win;);):D

Democracy won and any country that would put the Eu before its Democracy would be Barking :eek:

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

UK are some gobshites to be going on about democracy given the number of their colonies which had to resort to armed insurrection to obtain their own independence. But that is a topic for a different thread.





Nobody is stopping the UK leaving. As the thread says - the should "piss off and get on with Brexit".


The UK electorate can vote "democratically" all they like that the EU has to give them X or Y. They are not in the EU and don't have a say. They'll (possibly) get an offer and then they can take it or leave it.

I suppose if the Eu had an army they would have invaded Britain and used its Jackboot to thwart British Democracy.

Padre_Pio

blinding wrote: »

I suppose if the Eu had an army they would have invaded Britain and used its Jackboot to thwart British Democracy.

Answer me this.

Britain voted for Brexit in 2016.

There is no mechanism to keep Britain in the EU any longer. Britain could leave literally any time.
Yet they're still here, 4 years and three governments later.

Is that Britains fault or the EU?

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

Except the Politicians both before and after said the result would be respected.:D:D

The Before bit was when they thought / were sure they would win;);):D

Democracy won and any country that would put the Eu before its Democracy would be Barking :eek:

UK voted to leave. It is gone.
What is your issue with "democracy". Is it a word that Nige used to use or something? Or do you not fully understand what the word means?



Now the UK are at a situation where they want, or are at least nominally trying to get, a deal. So it is the same as if the UK tried to do a deal with China. If the Chinese say that they require certain conditions on its end then the UK either agrees, tries to compromise, or walks away.

I fail to comprehend why you might think that China laying out their terms on a proposed deal could somehow impinge on the democracy of the UK? It's up to UK negotiators to agree to it or not. 100% their choice. If they don't like it then don't sign.



If I'm trying to buy a house and the seller says that they want to keep living it in for the next 12 months then I can say "no" and walk away. They can ask for that condition if that is what they need. I don't have to agree to it. It's not exactly impinging on my civil liberties and doesn't somehow affect my franchise.

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

I suppose if the Eu had an army they would have invaded Britain and used its Jackboot to thwart British Democracy.

UK is like a mad ex-girlfriend that really lets herself go a bit into he relationship. You give her the benefit of the doubt for a while and then as she descends into further chaos and you realise what she is like in reality, you try to help her before eventually you can't take it any more and have to cut ties.



10 years later she gets out of the nuthouse on day release and turns up at the church on your wedding day waddling down the aisle covered in muck and screaming at you to stop trying to force her to be your girlfriend.

blinding

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Answer me this.

Britain voted for Brexit in 2016.

There is no mechanism to keep Britain in the EU any longer. Britain could leave literally any time.
Yet they're still here, 4 years and three governments later.

Is that Britains fault or the EU?

It is the fault of some of the British politicians .

Those that got elected on platforms to Respect the 2016 Brexit referendum in the 2017 General Election. And then proceed to do the direct opposite after fraudently stealing their seats.

You will notice the vast majority of these were booted out on their ar$e in the 2019 Election. Another great win for Democracy:D:D

You do realise that for approximately the last 18 months the Eu could have forced Britain out of the Eu.

Anyway they are going now and if the Eu cannot see that it has more important stuff to be worrying about then; What can you say.

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

It is the fault of some of the British politicians .

Those that got elected on platforms to Respect the 2016 Brexit referendum in the 2017 General Election. And then proceed to do the direct opposite after fraudently stealing their seats.

You will notice the vast majority of these were booted out on their ar$e in the 2019 Election. Another great win for Democracy:D:D

You do realise that for approximately the last 18 months the Eu could have forced Britain out of the Eu.

Anyway they are going now and if the Eu cannot see that it has more important stuff to be worrying about then; What can you say.

That's mad in fairness. UK had a legally non-binding referendum.
And the EU are anti-democratic for not forcing them out (i.e. for accepting the many requests from the UK-elected representatives for an extension)?

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

UK is like a mad ex-girlfriend that really lets herself go a bit into he relationship. You give her the benefit of the doubt for a while and then as she descends into further chaos and you realise what she is like in reality, you try to help her before eventually you can't take it any more and have to cut ties.



10 years later she gets out of the nuthouse on day release and turns up at the church on your wedding day waddling down the aisle covered in muck and screaming at you to stop trying to force her to be your girlfriend.

The Eu is like an ex boyfriend/ girlfriend that has been dumped and just cannot come to terms with it. The Eu needs a new boyfriend / girlfriend. Show some leg will ya ! ! !

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

The Eu is like an ex boyfriend/ girlfriend that has been dumped and just cannot come to terms with it. The Eu needs a new boyfriend / girlfriend. Show some leg will ya ! ! !

As I said, yes, the fat ex covered in muck waddling down the aisle deluded into thinking the other person still gives a shit about them :pac:


UK is gone. Go. Stop asking for extensions and hanging around. Move out and move on.

Padre_Pio

blinding wrote: »

It is the fault of some of the British politicians .

Those that got elected on platforms to Respect the 2016 Brexit referendum in the 2017 General Election. And then proceed to do the direct opposite after fraudently stealing their seats.

You will notice the vast majority of these were booted out on their ar$e in the 2019 Election. Another great win for Democracy:D:D

You do realise that for approximately the last 18 months the Eu could have forced Britain out of the Eu.

Anyway they are going now and if the Eu cannot see that it has more important stuff to be worrying about then; What can you say.

Those DEMOCRATICALLY elected politicians who asked for extension after extension?
The current DEMOCRATICALLY elected government who are in an absolute shambles and will almost definitely ask for another extension.

The DEMOCRATIC EU who graciously granted all the UKs requests.

The delusion is strong. I'm out.

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

As I said, yes, the fat ex covered in muck waddling down the aisle deluded into thinking the other person still gives a shit about them :pac:


UK is gone. Go. Stop asking for extensions and hanging around. Move out and move on.

You are behind the times. Its the Eu that is asking for extensions now.

Try to get a new boyfriend / girlfriend for the Eu. Its getting embarrassing now.

The Eu lost Democratically . It has to get used to this or it will crumble like all the other Empires ! ! !

Irishmale0399

blinding wrote: »

You are behind the times. Its the Eu that is asking for extensions now.

Try to get a new boyfriend / girlfriend for the Eu. Its getting embarrassing now.

The Eu lost Democratically . It has to get used to this or it will crumble like all the other Empires ! ! !

If Boris the great and his army of followers want out surely they will refuse the EU and extension and put everything to bed. Time for himself and his merry men to put their money where their mouth is and leave without a deal. It is simple and if Boris really wants out he will refuse to talk and walk the walk.


Personally, I feel he will not do it, will blame the EU for forcing him to stay to negociate a trade deal or he will blame the Covid19 situation. The simple fact is....he wants everything and has very little if anything to offer.

blinding

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Those DEMOCRATICALLY elected politicians who asked for extension after extension?
The current DEMOCRATICALLY elected government who are in an absolute shambles and will almost definitely ask for another extension.

The DEMOCRATIC EU who graciously granted all the UKs requests.

The delusion is strong. I'm out.

The British people didn’t ask for any extensions.
Politicians who fraudulently took their seats did.

The British People said bye bye to the Eu and they are delighted with their decision. The Eu has to learn that it can lose in Democracies. If it does not respect the Democracy of Nation states; What is the Eu :eek::eek::eek:

blinding

blinding wrote: »

You do realise that for approximately the last 18 months the Eu could have forced Britain out of the Eu.

By denying the UK its democratic right to ask for an extension.

I can't see how the EU has not respected the UK's democracy. They had a vote to leave and they left. They asked for extensions and were given them.

What exactly did the EU do?

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

You are behind the times. Its the Eu that is asking for extensions now.

Try to get a new boyfriend / girlfriend for the Eu. Its getting embarrassing now.

There are a lot more countries trying to get into the EU than out of it. Plenty of interest from other countries wanting to do deals with it too.



If there is no deal with the UK then it would be perfectly reasonably for EU to insist, in future deals with third countries, on restrictions on certain trade between those countries and the UK.

blinding wrote: »

The Eu lost Democratically . It has to get used to this or it will crumble like all the other Empires ! ! !

It's kind of funny. Part of me thinks you're just taking the piss and having the craic posting that stuff. Another part of me worries that you actually believe it.

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

The British people didn’t ask for any extensions.
Politicians who fraudulently took their seats did.

The British People said bye bye to the Eu and they are delighted with their decision. The Eu has to learn that it can lose in Democracies. If it does not respect the Democracy of Nation states; What is the Eu :eek::eek::eek:

Cheeky politicians. Not being democratically elected. The divils.


UK should run their elections properly the next time to stop those elections being rigged. Maybe they can get a few election observers in from the likes of Zimbabwe or Venezuelan to stop those corrupt UK politicians from seizing power they weren't granted democratically. Hopefully they will leave the genuine people's choice for MPs like Domnic Cummings and Nigel Farage. People who legitimately and democratically earned their seats in the House of Parliament. (Along of course with all the inherited life Peers in the House of Lords)

blinding

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

If Boris the great and his army of followers want out surely they will refuse the EU and extension and put everything to bed. Time for himself and his merry men to put their money where their mouth is and leave without a deal. It is simple and if Boris really wants out he will refuse to talk and walk the walk.


Personally, I feel he will not do it, will blame the EU for forcing him to stay to negociate a trade deal or he will blame the Covid19 situation. The simple fact is....he wants everything and has very little if anything to offer.

Boris will come under some political pressure if he does that. This intake of Tory MPs like the Eu about as much as people like a rat in their kitchen. Their will be plenty of hardline Tory MPs to replace Boris if he does not leave the Eu when he said he would.

Thanks to the Anti-Democratic Re-Mainers the Tories have an 80 Seat Majority.

Plenty of room to replace Boris with someone who will do what the Tories promised at the last election. The Tories are; One party in power with a huge majority. They do not have the excuses of Irish politicians with their tin pot coalitions not to do as they promised at the General Election. Bye Bye Eu.

A Great Victory for Democracy. The Eu has to learn that it can lose in the Democracy of Nation States.

theological

blinding wrote: »

The British people didn’t ask for any extensions.
Politicians who fraudulently took their seats did.

The British People said bye bye to the Eu and they are delighted with their decision. The Eu has to learn that it can lose in Democracies. If it does not respect the Democracy of Nation states; What is the Eu :eek::eek::eek:

I agree with this. There was an imbalance between MPs in parliament and the decision that the people took in 2016. That was resolved last December, and the path is clear for the UK to become a third country after the transition period.

I'm glad to see this thread is active. The virus and dealing with it is obviously much much much more important.

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

Cheeky politicians. Not being democratically elected. The divils.


UK should run their elections properly the next time to stop those elections being rigged. Maybe they can get a few election observers in from the likes of Zimbabwe or Venezuelan to stop those corrupt UK politicians from seizing power they weren't granted democratically. Hopefully they will leave the genuine people's choice for MPs like Domnic Cummings and Nigel Farage. People who legitimately and democratically earned their seats in the House of Parliament. (Along of course with all the inherited life Peers in the House of Lords)

Many politicians in the 2017 Election won their seats on manifestos to respect the Brexit referendum. After stealing their seats they did the direct oposite.

Hence in 2019 they were kicked out on their ar$e. What is it with Eu-philes and having No Respect for Democracy.

What is the Eu if it does not Respect the Democracy of Nation States ? ? ?:eek::eek:

Joe_ Public

theological wrote: »

I agree with this. There was an imbalance between MPs in parliament and the decision that the people took in 2016. That was resolved last December, and the path is clear for the UK to become a third country after the transition period.

I'm glad to see this thread is active. The virus and dealing with it is obviously much much much more important.

You agree with "The British People are delighted with their decision?"

Have you seen any of the recent polling? It would suggest that is an erroneous statement. I only ask as i know you are a great man for the polls altogether.

Irishmale0399

blinding wrote: »

Boris will come under some political pressure if he does that. This intake of Tory MPs like the Eu about as much as people like a rat in their kitchen. Their will be plenty of hardline Tory MPs to replace Boris if he does not leave the Eu when he said he would.

Thanks to the Anti-Democratic Re-Mainers the Tories have an 80 Seat Majority.

Plenty of room to replace Boris with someone who will do what the Tories promised at the last election. The Tories are; One party in power with a huge majority. They do not have the excuses of Irish politicians with their tin pot coalitions not to do as they promised at the General Election. Bye Bye Eu.

A Great Victory for Democracy. The Eu has to learn that it can lose in the Democracy of Nation States.

Stop....Boris has the majority in parliment or not?? Has he not based his whole term on the fact that he wants out at all costs??? He has said he would go without a deal......... If so he can do as he wants. Now it is time for him to stand up and his followers to stop blaming the others.

blinding

Joe_ Public wrote: »

You agree with "The British People are delighted with their decision?"

Have you seen any of the recent polling? It would suggest that is an erroneous statement. I only ask as i know you are a great man for the polls altogether.

Did you pay any attention to the relatively recent 2019 general election i.e. The real Democracy.

Where is Jo Swinson and the Liberal Democrats = dead and buried. I think Jo Swinson may have actually de-materialised. She has not been seen since the election.

Where are the Eu-Phile Change Uk = dead and buried = must have also de-materialised !

Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party after abandoning the policy of respecting the Brexit referendum = The worst result since 1935 and it could have been a lot worse had Nigel Farages Brexit Party withdrawn from another 20 or 30 seats.

Stop only listening to Pro Eu Irish propaganda. The Eu is dead and buried in Britain and it ain’t coming back ! ! !

blinding

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Stop....Boris has the majority in parliment or not?? Has he not based his whole term on the fact that he wants out at all costs??? He has said he would go without a deal......... If so he can do as he wants. Now it is time for him to stand up and his followers to stop blaming the others.

Boris will have to do as he promised or he will be replaced with someone who will do it.

Thanks to the Anti-Democratic Re-Mainers the Tories have a Majority to do as they please.

This intake of Tories are about as Eu-Sceptic as you could possibly get.

Joe_ Public

blinding wrote: »

Did you pay any attention to the relatively recent 2019 general election i.e. The real Democracy.

Where is Jo Swinson and the Liberal Democrats = dead and buried. I think Jo Swinson may have actually de-materialised. She has not been seen since the election.

Where are the Eu-Phile Change Uk = dead and buried = must have also de-materialised !

Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party after abandoning the policy of respecting the Brexit referendum = The worst result since 1935 and it could have been a lot worse had Nigel Farages Brexit Party withdrawn from another 20 or 30 seats.

Stop only listening to Pro Eu Irish propaganda. The Eu is dead and buried in Britain and it ain’t coming back ! ! !

The election where pro brexit parties got a combined less than 50% of the vote? Yeah i noticed that alright.

My question anyway was for theo because as a guy who loves his polls I'm just wondering what he makes of the latest brexit opinions. Are the British people really delighted with how things are working out?

fash

I think it's in the EU's long term interests to allow and assist the hardest possible Brexit. Obviously it won't change the mind of the true Brexit believers- however it will discredit them more to those on the fence - while demonstrating the reason and purpose for solidarity to countries within and without the EU.

It will be interesting to see what happens after June - at that point, there is no ability for the UK to ask for an extension so it loses even more options. Hopefully the gloves really come off at that point. The UK and its Brexiter puppet masters need to be shown for what they are - a small country run by charlatans not in control of its destiny.

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

Many politicians in the 2017 Election won their seats on manifestos to respect the Brexit referendum. After stealing their seats they did the direct oposite.

Hence in 2019 they were kicked out on their ar$e. What is it with Eu-philes and having No Respect for Democracy.

What is the Eu if it does not Respect the Democracy of Nation States ? ? ?:eek::eek:

Do you not understand the basics of how the process works? I think you are obsessed with the "D" word.


From EU perspective, once a country officially triggers the Article 50 provisions and gives its formal notice, then it begins a 2 year timer.



Who in a country has the power to trigger that is of no concern to the EU. (Do you not recall the UK HOC debating and passing laws saying who could and could not make those decisions).

Under what basis a country triggers it - as a result of a popular vote or otherwise - is irrelevant to the law of the EU. All that matters is that a country officially triggers it.



The UK could have officially delegated the power to arbitrarily trigger A50 to the person in the UK longest on the dole if they wanted to. Or they could have granted it to the winner of X-factor. That is their decision. Once the person with the authority to do so, does it, then from the EU perspective the process is started.



UK started the process and then faffed around and begged for an extension. Then another, etc. etc. At no stage did the EU try to change or stop the process. And that is agnostic of how or why the UK decision maker made that decision. It is of no concern to the EU (in the legal sense) whether it was based off a popular direct vote or a decision of their elected representatives, or a direction from the Queen, or whether Theresa May went out on a coke binge and decided to send it and refused to retract it out of embarrassment.

blinding

Joe_ Public wrote: »

The election where pro brexit parties got a combined less than 50% of the vote? Yeah i noticed that alright.

My question anyway was for theo because as a guy who loves his polls I'm just wondering what he makes of the latest brexit opinions. Are the British people really delighted with how things are working out?

You do realise that Nigel Farage pulled the Brexit Party out of 192 thats 192 Seats.

They showed at the Very Recent Election that they wanted to get the hell out of the Eu.

I am not going to go through the list of Eu-Philes that were annihilated at that Election again even if it is fun:D:D:D

If the Eu will not accept the Democratic Decisions of Nation States ! What is the Eu ? ?:eek::eek:

The British people do not want their country in the Eu. How many times do you have to be told :eek::eek::eek:

Professor Moriarty

blinding wrote: »

You do realise that Nigel Farage pulled the Brexit Party out of 192 thats 192 Seats.

They showed at the Very Recent Election that they wanted to get the hell out of the Eu.

I am not going to go through the list of Eu-Philes that were annihilated at that Election again even if it is fun:D:D:D

If the Eu will not accept the Democratic Decisions of Nation States ! What is the Eu ? ?:eek::eek:

The British people do not want their country in the Eu. How many times do you have to be told :eek::eek::eek:

Off with them. They can leave tomorrow morning if they really want to.