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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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    #2192
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Cheeky politicians. Not being democratically elected. The divils.


    UK should run their elections properly the next time to stop those elections being rigged. Maybe they can get a few election observers in from the likes of Zimbabwe or Venezuelan to stop those corrupt UK politicians from seizing power they weren't granted democratically. Hopefully they will leave the genuine people's choice for MPs like Domnic Cummings and Nigel Farage. People who legitimately and democratically earned their seats in the House of Parliament. (Along of course with all the inherited life Peers in the House of Lords)


    Many politicians in the 2017 Election won their seats on manifestos to respect the Brexit referendum. After stealing their seats they did the direct oposite.

    Hence in 2019 they were kicked out on their ar$e. What is it with Eu-philes and having No Respect for Democracy.

    What is the Eu if it does not Respect the Democracy of Nation States ? ? ?:eek::eek:


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    #2193
    Joe_ Public
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    theological wrote: »
    I agree with this. There was an imbalance between MPs in parliament and the decision that the people took in 2016. That was resolved last December, and the path is clear for the UK to become a third country after the transition period.

    I'm glad to see this thread is active. The virus and dealing with it is obviously much much much more important.

    You agree with "The British People are delighted with their decision?"

    Have you seen any of the recent polling? It would suggest that is an erroneous statement. I only ask as i know you are a great man for the polls altogether.


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    #2194
    Irishmale0399
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    blinding wrote: »
    Boris will come under some political pressure if he does that. This intake of Tory MPs like the Eu about as much as people like a rat in their kitchen. Their will be plenty of hardline Tory MPs to replace Boris if he does not leave the Eu when he said he would.

    Thanks to the Anti-Democratic Re-Mainers the Tories have an 80 Seat Majority.

    Plenty of room to replace Boris with someone who will do what the Tories promised at the last election. The Tories are; One party in power with a huge majority. They do not have the excuses of Irish politicians with their tin pot coalitions not to do as they promised at the General Election. Bye Bye Eu.

    A Great Victory for Democracy. The Eu has to learn that it can lose in the Democracy of Nation States.


    Stop....Boris has the majority in parliment or not?? Has he not based his whole term on the fact that he wants out at all costs??? He has said he would go without a deal......... If so he can do as he wants. Now it is time for him to stand up and his followers to stop blaming the others.


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    #2195
    blinding
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    You agree with "The British People are delighted with their decision?"

    Have you seen any of the recent polling? It would suggest that is an erroneous statement. I only ask as i know you are a great man for the polls altogether.
    Did you pay any attention to the relatively recent 2019 general election i.e. The real Democracy.

    Where is Jo Swinson and the Liberal Democrats = dead and buried. I think Jo Swinson may have actually de-materialised. She has not been seen since the election.

    Where are the Eu-Phile Change Uk = dead and buried = must have also de-materialised !

    Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party after abandoning the policy of respecting the Brexit referendum = The worst result since 1935 and it could have been a lot worse had Nigel Farages Brexit Party withdrawn from another 20 or 30 seats.

    Stop only listening to Pro Eu Irish propaganda. The Eu is dead and buried in Britain and it ain’t coming back ! ! !


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    #2196
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    Stop....Boris has the majority in parliment or not?? Has he not based his whole term on the fact that he wants out at all costs??? He has said he would go without a deal......... If so he can do as he wants. Now it is time for him to stand up and his followers to stop blaming the others.



    Boris will have to do as he promised or he will be replaced with someone who will do it.

    Thanks to the Anti-Democratic Re-Mainers the Tories have a Majority to do as they please.

    This intake of Tories are about as Eu-Sceptic as you could possibly get.


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    #2197
    Joe_ Public
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    blinding wrote: »
    Did you pay any attention to the relatively recent 2019 general election i.e. The real Democracy.

    Where is Jo Swinson and the Liberal Democrats = dead and buried. I think Jo Swinson may have actually de-materialised. She has not been seen since the election.

    Where are the Eu-Phile Change Uk = dead and buried = must have also de-materialised !

    Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party after abandoning the policy of respecting the Brexit referendum = The worst result since 1935 and it could have been a lot worse had Nigel Farages Brexit Party withdrawn from another 20 or 30 seats.

    Stop only listening to Pro Eu Irish propaganda. The Eu is dead and buried in Britain and it ain’t coming back ! ! !

    The election where pro brexit parties got a combined less than 50% of the vote? Yeah i noticed that alright.

    My question anyway was for theo because as a guy who loves his polls I'm just wondering what he makes of the latest brexit opinions. Are the British people really delighted with how things are working out?


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    #2198
    fash
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    I think it's in the EU's long term interests to allow and assist the hardest possible Brexit. Obviously it won't change the mind of the true Brexit believers- however it will discredit them more to those on the fence - while demonstrating the reason and purpose for solidarity to countries within and without the EU.

    It will be interesting to see what happens after June - at that point, there is no ability for the UK to ask for an extension so it loses even more options. Hopefully the gloves really come off at that point. The UK and its Brexiter puppet masters need to be shown for what they are - a small country run by charlatans not in control of its destiny.


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    #2199
    Donald Trump
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    blinding wrote: »
    Many politicians in the 2017 Election won their seats on manifestos to respect the Brexit referendum. After stealing their seats they did the direct oposite.

    Hence in 2019 they were kicked out on their ar$e. What is it with Eu-philes and having No Respect for Democracy.

    What is the Eu if it does not Respect the Democracy of Nation States ? ? ?:eek::eek:




    Do you not understand the basics of how the process works? I think you are obsessed with the "D" word.


    From EU perspective, once a country officially triggers the Article 50 provisions and gives its formal notice, then it begins a 2 year timer.



    Who in a country has the power to trigger that is of no concern to the EU. (Do you not recall the UK HOC debating and passing laws saying who could and could not make those decisions).

    Under what basis a country triggers it - as a result of a popular vote or otherwise - is irrelevant to the law of the EU. All that matters is that a country officially triggers it.



    The UK could have officially delegated the power to arbitrarily trigger A50 to the person in the UK longest on the dole if they wanted to. Or they could have granted it to the winner of X-factor. That is their decision. Once the person with the authority to do so, does it, then from the EU perspective the process is started.



    UK started the process and then faffed around and begged for an extension. Then another, etc. etc. At no stage did the EU try to change or stop the process. And that is agnostic of how or why the UK decision maker made that decision. It is of no concern to the EU (in the legal sense) whether it was based off a popular direct vote or a decision of their elected representatives, or a direction from the Queen, or whether Theresa May went out on a coke binge and decided to send it and refused to retract it out of embarrassment.


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    #2200
    blinding
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    The election where pro brexit parties got a combined less than 50% of the vote? Yeah i noticed that alright.

    My question anyway was for theo because as a guy who loves his polls I'm just wondering what he makes of the latest brexit opinions. Are the British people really delighted with how things are working out?
    You do realise that Nigel Farage pulled the Brexit Party out of 192 thats 192 Seats.

    They showed at the Very Recent Election that they wanted to get the hell out of the Eu.

    I am not going to go through the list of Eu-Philes that were annihilated at that Election again even if it is fun:D:D:D

    If the Eu will not accept the Democratic Decisions of Nation States ! What is the Eu ? ?:eek::eek:

    The British people do not want their country in the Eu. How many times do you have to be told :eek::eek::eek:


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    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    blinding wrote: »
    You do realise that Nigel Farage pulled the Brexit Party out of 192 thats 192 Seats.

    They showed at the Very Recent Election that they wanted to get the hell out of the Eu.

    I am not going to go through the list of Eu-Philes that were annihilated at that Election again even if it is fun:D:D:D

    If the Eu will not accept the Democratic Decisions of Nation States ! What is the Eu ? ?:eek::eek:

    The British people do not want their country in the Eu. How many times do you have to be told :eek::eek::eek:

    Off with them. They can leave tomorrow morning if they really want to.


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    #2202
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Off with them. They can leave tomorrow morning if they really want to.


    It's worth pointing out that the UK have already left the European Union.

    This piece is just about what happens after the transition period.


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    #2203
    blinding
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    fash wrote: »
    I think it's in the EU's long term interests to allow and assist the hardest possible Brexit. Obviously it won't change the mind of the true Brexit believers- however it will discredit them more to those on the fence - while demonstrating the reason and purpose for solidarity to countries within and without the EU.

    It will be interesting to see what happens after June - at that point, there is no ability for the UK to ask for an extension so it loses even more options. Hopefully the gloves really come off at that point. The UK and its Brexiter puppet masters need to be shown for what they are - a small country run by charlatans not in control of its destiny.
    Do as you please. Its not as if the British people respect the Anti-Democratic Eu.

    You would think that the Eu might have more important stuff to be doing but I suppose when you have No respect for Democracy then it is Important to attempt to Punish those that have the Temerity to Vote against you.

    The Eu is no Respecter or democracy because the Eu knows democracy does not guarantee their Result.

    The Lack of respect the Eu has for Democracy will eventually be its undoing. The people of Nation States love their Democracy far more than the Eu. The Eu just cannot cope with Democracy. Thats why it hates Democracy.

    Long Live Democracy and the Nation State !


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    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,828 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    The British people do not want their country in the Eu. How many times do you have to be told :eek::eek::eek:

    They should stop electing parties that keep them in it so.


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    #2205
    blinding
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They should stop electing parties that keep them in it so.
    They did in December 2019 and thanks to the Anti-Democratic Re-Mainers you now have a Tory majority of 80 with the most Eu-sceptic MPs ever ! ! !


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    #2206
    trashcan
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    blinding wrote: »

    If the Eu will not accept the Democratic Decisions of Nation States ! What is the Eu ? ?:eek::eek:
    :

    Where has the EU not accepted the decision of the UK ? Have they not been negotiating the wthdrawal for the last few years. Perhaps you think the EU not giving the UK everything it wants is " not accepting" their decision ? The EU has never tried to stop them leaving. Who was it that kept asking for extensions ?


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    Joe_ Public
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    blinding wrote: »
    You do realise that Nigel Farage pulled the Brexit Party out of 192 thats 192 Seats.

    They showed at the Very Recent Election that they wanted to get the hell out of the Eu.

    I am not going to go through the list of Eu-Philes that were annihilated at that Election again even if it is fun:D:D:D

    If the Eu will not accept the Democratic Decisions of Nation States ! What is the Eu ? ?:eek::eek:

    The British people do not want their country in the Eu. How many times do you have to be told :eek::eek::eek:

    So what for what farage did or didnt do. The people had a choice of a pro brexit candidate in every constituency and chose that candidate in less than half. Bottom line.

    They're gone anyway so makes no odds. Just you cant pretend to speak for the "British People" as much as you think, they comprise of more than the sizeable minority of headbangers who subscribe to free and independent Engl....sorry, Great Britain, at any cost.


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    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    blinding wrote: »
    They did in December 2019 and thanks to the Anti-Democratic Re-Mainers you now have a Tory majority of 80 with the most Eu-sceptic MPs ever ! ! !


    "Dead in a ditch" as the fella promised...


    ....he seems to be still in a job over there


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    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    "Dead in a ditch" as the fella promised...


    ....he seems to be still in a job over there

    He tried his best to fulfil his promise by shaking hands with coronavirus patients.


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    Blueshoe
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    EU want UK to commit to standards in various industries as to not undercut the Eu.

    UK says no we don't have to stick by EU rules as we are not in Eu. Neither side budging.
    Hard Brexit incoming.


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    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    EU want UK to commit to standards in various industries as to not undercut the Eu.

    UK says no we don't have to stick by EU rules as we are not in Eu. Neither side budging.
    Hard Brexit incoming.

    Yeah. That or complete capitulation by Johnson.


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    Blueshoe
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Yeah. That or complete capitulation by Johnson.

    Doubtful. Why leave the Eu and then agree to stick with whatever standards they decide. Those standards will change over time also. Why would the UK agree to such a thing.

    They can't be competitive if they let someone else decide the rules.


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    blinding
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    trashcan wrote: »
    Where has the EU not accepted the decision of the UK ? Have they not been negotiating the wthdrawal for the last few years. Perhaps you think the EU not giving the UK everything it wants is " not accepting" their decision ? The EU has never tried to stop them leaving. Who was it that kept asking for extensions ?
    The Eu has continually been in collusion with the Anti-Democratic Re-mainers in Britain since the referendum to overthrow the Democratic Decision of the British people One way or Another.

    The Eu is not a Respecter of Democracy that does not do as ordered by the Eu.

    Ergo the Eu is not Democratic. If the Eu does not respect The Democracy of the Nation State! What is the Eu ? ?:eek::eek:


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    Thargor
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Doubtful. Why leave the Eu and then agree to stick with whatever standards they decide. Those standards will change over time also. Why would the UK agree to such a thing.
    Because they want to sell their goods and services to their biggest export market, the one on their doorstep that doesn't accept inferior standards, and if they dont comply their economy will suffer massive damage.


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    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Doubtful. Why leave the Eu and then agree to stick with whatever standards they decide. Those standards will change over time also. Why would the UK agree to such a thing.

    They can't be competitive if they let someone else decide the rules.

    The EU can't afford to have an American poodle on their doorstep. The UK is going to crash out of a trading agreement with its biggest customer in the middle of a pandemic that they've completely mismanaged. Brilliant.


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    #2216
    blinding
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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    "Dead in a ditch" as the fella promised...


    ....he seems to be still in a job over there
    He did seriously well in the December 2019 General Election. Bye Bye Eu.


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    #2217
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Yeah. That or complete capitulation by Johnson.
    He would be immediately replaced by the Most Hardline Eu-Sceptic you could imagine ! This is the most hard line Eu-Sceptic Tory MPs ever !


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    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    blinding wrote: »
    He would be immediately replaced by the Most Hardline Eu-Sceptic you could imagine ! This is the most hard line Eu-Sceptic Tory MPs ever !

    He would. And that person would have exactly the same problem.


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    Blueshoe
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Because they want to sell their goods and services to their biggest export market, the one on their doorstep that doesn't accept inferior standards, and if they dont comply their economy will suffer massive damage.

    Different standards does not mean inferior. You are only thinking of product safety standards like when Chinese goods enter Europe.
    The Eu is worried that the UK will undercut them not sell them dangerous or inferior quality products


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    #2220
    blinding
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    He would. And that person would have exactly the same problem.
    There will probably be no deal. Neither the Eu or Barnier are serious about doing a sensible deal. Its quite possible that the Hardline Tory Eu-sceptics have no intention of doing a deal either.

    The Eu should be worried about more important stuff but the crushing of the Democratic Decision of a Nation State is more Important to them.

    Democracy will beat them. Being Anti-Democratic is the Achilles Heal of the Eu.

    Because it has No respect for Democracy it just cannot comprehend that the Democracy to people in Nation states is far more Important to those people than the Eu. The Eu will crumble like the other Empires before it. Bye Bye Eu.


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    FrancieBrady
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Doubtful. Why leave the Eu and then agree to stick with whatever standards they decide. Those standards will change over time also. Why would the UK agree to such a thing.

    Because they want a trade deal. Fail to meet the terms = no trade deal. Simple.


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