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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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    #2252
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Or responsibility.


    EU is a union of members. If one member wants to remain a member then it needs to convince its own people of the benefits.



    If it doesn't want to remain a member then it can leave.



    It is not the responsibility of German politicians, or French politicians, or Dutch politicians. to explain to someone on the dole in a housing estate in Manchester that their problems are not actually caused the evil EU!
    Ye got the Heave Ho. It happens move on.

    Take up a hobby ! Try to meet a new boy or girl ! ! !


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    #2253
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,826 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    Everything has changed since the December General Election. The Eu now is up against a Clear and Un-Ambigious Decision from the British People.

    They want their Democracy Respected and they want out of the Eu. Now the Eu can respect this or not but this is the Clear and Un-Ambigious Decision of the British people.

    Now, As i said the Eu does not cope well with Democracy but it had better Respect Democracy now if it wants and a deal because if it does not that is fine too.

    A. If they want out = go.
    B. If they want a trade deal with a bigger power = comply or revert to A


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    #2254
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A. If they want out = go.
    B. If they want a trade deal with a bigger power = comply or revert to A
    They are out and they ain’t coming back. No matter what.


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    #2255
    Thargor
    Registered Users Posts: 17,935 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Different standards does not mean inferior. You are only thinking of product safety standards like when Chinese goods enter Europe.
    The Eu is worried that the UK will undercut them not sell them dangerous or inferior quality products
    Undercut them with their superior products? Yeah sure. The EU knows the UK is a bad faith actor that cant be trusted to stick to anything and they dont feel like tying up the courts in endless wrangling over standards so they're using the take it or leave it approach with our existing standards, and when a comparatively small economy like the UK wants to trade with a giant like the EU they'll end up taking it.


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    #2256
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,826 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    They are out and they ain’t coming back. No matter what.

    Promise?


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    #2257
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    blinding wrote: »
    They are out and they ain’t coming back. No matter what.


    OK lets put it another way....
    1. Accept the trade deal and so on that the EU have offered

    2. Dont accept the offer from the EU, put up a border between the North and Republic, start doing your own super deals and get on with it


    But stop bloody crying about not being treated fairly.....the UK has history and those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.


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    #2258
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    OK lets put it another way....
    1. Accept the trade deal and so on that the EU have offered

    2. Dont accept the offer from the EU, put up a border between the North and Republic, start doing your own super deals and get on with it


    But stop bloody crying about not being treated fairly.....the UK has history and those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

    They aren't crying about unfair treatment. A hard Brexit is coming. They won't agree to Eu demands. EU want to extend the transition period. UK refusing to


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    #2259
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,826 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    They aren't crying about unfair treatment. A hard Brexit is coming. They won't agree to Eu demands. EU want to extend the transition period. UK refusing to

    What's the problem then?


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    #2260
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭fash


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    They aren't crying about unfair treatment. A hard Brexit is coming. They won't agree to Eu demands. EU want to extend the transition period. UK refusing to
    They are complaining about "unfair treatment": despite signing up to the political declaration, despite the clearly established EU neighbourhood policy, despite the treatment (then demanded by the UK) that leaving members of the EU/EEC should grant access rights to their fishing rights (in the case of Greenland), despite the fact that they all for unprecedented access, in an unprecedented time frame with an unprecedented level of existing trade, they complain that the EU is doing exactly what it said it and agreed it would.


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    #2261
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭fash


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    People who lost have been calling for a second vote since the results were announced. That is not respecting democracy. We lost so we want another go.
    that is their democratic right to do so. Considering the level of illegally associated with the Brexit vote and given the majority who wanted to remain in the EU following the Brexit vote and considering that Farage himself said that a 48-52% vote would be "unfinished business", how can you complain?
    Considering that Ireland had 4+ referendums on divorce and abortion - who are you to complain?
    Considering the UK already voted on EU membership in the 70s, why vote again.

    Furthermore, considering that the vast majority of UK voted to remain in the single market - why does the UK now leave on the hardest of hard terms? Why does the UK ignore the will of the people in such a fashion?

    The UK must respect the will of the people and leave the Eu. Perhaps down the line if there is enough public appetite for rejoining them there will be another vote
    as stated above, the majority changed their opinion immediately following the referendum and in any case the vast majority voted to remain in the single market- why do you deny the will of the people?
    What about the will of the people of northern Ireland or Scotland to remain in the EU? What about the referendum for Scottish independence won on the basis that only a vote for the UK would keep Scotland in the EU?
    Why disrespect the will of the people so profoundly? Why do you hate democracy so much?


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    #2262
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Britain is going to be following EU rules/standards whether they like it or not. There will be no mutual recognition.


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    #2263
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    fash wrote: »
    that is their democratic right to do so. Considering the level of illegally associated with the Brexit vote and given the majority who wanted to remain in the EU following the Brexit vote and considering that Farage himself said that a 48-52% vote would be "unfinished business", how can you complain?
    Considering that Ireland had 4+ referendums on divorce and abortion - who are you to complain?
    Considering the UK already voted on EU membership in the 70s, why vote again.

    Furthermore, considering that the vast majority of UK voted to remain in the single market - why does the UK now leave on the hardest of hard terms? Why does the UK ignore the will of the people in such a fashion?

    as stated above, the majority changed their opinion immediately following the referendum and in any case the vast majority voted to remain in the single market- why do you deny the will of the people?
    What about the will of the people of northern Ireland or Scotland to remain in the EU? What about the referendum for Scottish independence won on the basis that only a vote for the UK would keep Scotland in the EU?
    Why disrespect the will of the people so profoundly? Why do you hate democracy so much?



    They are gone. Bye Bye Eu. Your boys took one hell of a beating in December 2019.

    Now an 80 seat Tory Majority ( Thanks to the Re-Mainers )

    The most Hardline Eu-Sceptic Tory Government Imaginable = Bye Bye Eu Forever ( Thanks to the Re-Mainers )

    The Eu has to come to terms with, that it can lose to the Democracy of the Nation State. What is the Eu if it will not Respect the Democracy of the Nation State ? ? ?:eek::eek:


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    #2264
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Britain is going to be following EU rules/standards whether they like it or not. There will be no mutual recognition.
    The British people don’t give Two Fooks about the Eu or anything to do with the Eu.


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    #2265
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,826 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    The British people don’t give Two Fooks about the Eu or anything to do with the Eu.

    Bravado blinding...didn't you notice Boris climb down on a customs post in Belfast? More to come.


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    #2266
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Bravado blinding...didn't you notice Boris climb down on a customs post in Belfast? More to come.
    The sooner that the Big Island Brits divest themselves of Northern Ireland the better. Its costing them a fortune for nothing in return.

    There is Absolutely No downside for Big Island Brits about ‘ Losing “ Northern Ireland. It would be almost as good as getting out of the Eu :D:D


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    #2267
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,826 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    The sooner that the Big Island Brits divest themselves of Northern Ireland the better. Its costing them a fortune for nothing in return.

    There is Absolutely No downside for Big Island Brits about ‘ Losing “ Northern Ireland. It would be almost as good as getting out of the Eu :D:D

    They lost the notion they have an upper hand here. They will bend or they get nothing...simple.


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    #2268
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,556 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    blinding wrote: »
    They are gone. Bye Bye Eu. Your boys took one hell of a beating in December 2019.

    Now an 80 seat Tory Majority ( Thanks to the Re-Mainers )

    The most Hardline Eu-Sceptic Tory Government Imaginable = Bye Bye Eu Forever ( Thanks to the Re-Mainers )

    The Eu has to come to terms with, that it can lose to the Democracy of the Nation State. What is the Eu if it will not Respect the Democracy of the Nation State ? ? ?:eek::eek:




    How do you think that EU took a beating in Dec?



    Individuals within the EU, and the Irish government, had expressed a strong preference for a decisive majority so that the UK could get it's act together and get the withdrawal agreement across the line. All the election did was allow the UK to push through the agreement.



    You might as well be saying that the Japanese took a beating or the Swahilis took a beating. It was internal UK politics.


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    #2269
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    How do you think that EU took a beating in Dec?



    Individuals within the EU, and the Irish government, had expressed a strong preference for a decisive majority so that the UK could get it's act together and get the withdrawal agreement across the line. All the election did was allow the UK to push through the agreement.



    You might as well be saying that the Japanese took a beating or the Swahilis took a beating. It was internal UK politics.
    The Hardest line Eu-Sceptics it is possible to have , have an 80 Seat Majority:D:D


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    #2270
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,556 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    blinding wrote: »
    The Hardest line Eu-Sceptics it is possible to have , have an 80 Seat Majority:D:D




    But that's not a beating for the EU any more than it is a victory for the US or India. It's very difficult to take your other opinions seriously if you put forward jingoistic nonsense.


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    #2271
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    But that's not a beating for the EU any more than it is a victory for the US or India. It's very difficult to take your other opinions seriously if you put forward jingoistic nonsense.


    What it does mean however is that the government can move towards a third country status with the EU without remainers trying to keep the UK as close to the EU as possible so that the UK can rejoin.


    People see through that pretty quickly. Hence the increased support for the Tories in December.


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    #2272
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,556 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    theological wrote: »
    What it does mean however is that the government can move towards a third country status with the EU without remainers trying to keep the UK as close to the EU as possible so that the UK can rejoin.


    People see through that pretty quickly. Hence the increased support for the Tories in December.




    But that's internal to the UK. I think that all parties involved (EU/Ireland/ etc) were grateful for the final sense of clarity when the UK had enough stability to agree internally on something.

    There can be no chance of an external agreement when there was not even internal agreement on one side.


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    #2273
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭fash


    blinding wrote: »
    They are gone. Bye Bye Eu. Your boys took one hell of a beating in December 2019.
    My boys are the EU - and they won handsomely in December.

    Now an 80 seat Tory Majority ( Thanks to the Re-Mainers )

    The most Hardline Eu-Sceptic Tory Government Imaginable = Bye Bye Eu Forever ( Thanks to the Re-Mainers )

    The Eu has to come to terms with, that it can lose to the Democracy of the Nation State. What is the Eu if it will not Respect the Democracy of the Nation State ? ? ?:eek::eek:
    I voted for you to give me all of your money - and that of all of your friends and your family.
    Why don't you respect my democracy and now give me your money. I voted fair and square.

    (In any case, literally the last place that can talk about "democracy" is the UK - a corrupt oligarchy which breaks international treaties and is built upon the idea of ignoring democracy.


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    #2274
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    blinding wrote: »
    The British people don’t give Two Fooks about the Eu or anything to do with the Eu.

    45% of Britain's exports go to the EU and I can assure you they will meet EU standards while Britain will have no say on how those standards are crafted.

    European Commission trade negotiators have rejected British demands to allow UK-based testing laboratories to certify cars, chemicals and pharmaceutical products for export into the EU market.

    telegraph.co.uk

    So much for 'taking back control'.

    giphy.webp


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    #2275
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    blinding wrote: »
    The sooner that the Big Island Brits divest themselves of Northern Ireland the better. Its costing them a fortune for nothing in return.

    There is Absolutely No downside for Big Island Brits about ‘ Losing “ Northern Ireland. It would be almost as good as getting out of the Eu :D:D

    So rather than bye bye EU it would actually be bye bye UK!

    Taking back control by splitting up their own union seems an odd way to 'win'.


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    #2276
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    So rather than bye bye EU it would actually be bye bye UK!

    Taking back control by splitting up their own union seems an odd way to 'win'.


    If you want to leave the Uk now you can do it Democratically just like the Uk left the Eu.

    Democracy is wonderful and any Country that would give up its Democracy for the Eu would have lost the plot ! ! !


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    #2277
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    blinding wrote: »
    If you want to leave the Uk now you can do it Democratically just like the Uk left the Eu.

    Democracy is wonderful and any Country that would give up its Democracy for the Eu would have lost the plot ! ! !

    It's a sale. Sell your sovereignty for euro grants.


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    #2278
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    blinding wrote: »
    If you want to leave the Uk now you can do it Democratically just like the Uk left the Eu.

    Democracy is wonderful and any Country that would give up its Democracy for the Eu would have lost the plot ! ! !
    Not really as simple as that. The decision on whether Scotland or NI get to hold a vote is made by the PM


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    #2279
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Not really as simple as that. The decision on whether Scotland or NI get to hold a vote is made by the PM
    If there was clear evidence that there was a Majority then in this day and age it would be impossible to deny such a Demand.


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    #2280
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It's a sale. Sell your sovereignty for euro grants.

    And the Soul and Self Respect of Ireland and its People.


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    #2281
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    blinding wrote: »
    If there was clear evidence that there was a Majority then in this day and age it would be impossible to deny such a Demand.

    Irrelevant to the point you were trying to make. You unsaid that ditching NI would be good for GB.

    Even it it were voted for, wouldn't that be the breakup of the UK?

    How can losing their own union be seen as a win?


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