Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

blinding

First Up wrote: »

Attitude about what? Specifics please.

And where's the "leg breaking threats"?

The Armageddon for Britain and the British Starving etc etc.

Verhofstadt doing his Foaming Hitler Impressions and threatening this that and the other !

Leo telling Britain that it was a small country when he is from a Country with 4.75 million people ad Britain has 67 Million people and is the 5th or 6th biggest Economy in the world.

The Eu must have blown some smoke up leo’s A$$ for that.

Donald Tusk disrespecting British Democracy ! When was the last time Tusk was actually elected by an Eu Electorate ? ?

Fortunately the British people, they were paying plenty of attention to the Eu and as I said the more the British people saw of the Eu the less they liked it and for an Eu-Sceptic like me it was High Comedy to watch.:D:D:D

Arrogant Eu Royalty thinking that talking down to people was going to work:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

The British should never have ratified the Maastricht Treat in the 1990’s. That should have been put to a British referendum and it would have stopped it dead there and then or the British would have left the Eu then. Anyway they have got to the right place for Britain i.e. Out of the Eu.

Lets be honest here there is no way and I mean No way that the British would be going along with more and more Integration and the Eu getting involved in more and more. Let the eu on its merry way. The British have no interest in the Eu. None.

blinding, how is the fault of other EU members if the UK representatives agreed to something you think their population didn't want?


All this talk about "should not have changed from being a trading block" ignores

1) That it was democratically changed and the UK had a vote
2) UK actually had a veto to block any changes


It also ignores that the UK drove many of those changes.



UK is making a decision that will make a very small minority of its people wealthier or more powerful, while reducing the wealth and global influence of its people overall. And they have concocted this idea of an EU boogeyman that exists only in some peoples' imagination and sold it to gullible people

fash

blinding wrote: »

The more they saw of the Eu after their Democratic vote to leave the Eu the less they liked the Eu :eek::eek:

An obvious falsehood: pro EU sentiment rose post Brexit vote- hence the Brexiters desperation to Brexit asap.
The only people who "disliked the EU more" were those entirely suckling on their far right propaganda

I think you may have noticed the December General Election Result and seen how the Eu-Phile parties did.

56% of the vote - despite the best attempts of Corbin & far right propaganda? While Johnson promised that he had an oven ready deal where he would sign up to LPFs & fishing rights? That one? I can see why the Brexiters were so desperate to suppress the will of the people.


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Now you and the Eu have to learn to respect the Democracy of the Nation State that Voted to leave the Eu.

What is the Eu if it will not Respect the Democracy of Nation States ? ? :eek::eek::eek:

What democracy - the UK is corrupt democracy suppressing sh**hole - nothing about the referendum was democratic - & even of that, the UK rejected the will of the people to remain in the single market..
That is aside from the UK's treatment of the democratic will of the Irish or Scottish - & the UK's menaces & threats against the lives & livelihoods of their citizens.

please explain how you possibly believer the EU has ever compared to such a sh**hole in how it treated democracy

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

blinding, how is the fault of other EU members if the UK representatives agreed to something you think their population didn't want?


All this talk about "should not have changed from being a trading block" ignores

1) That it was democratically changed and the UK had a vote
2) UK actually had a veto to block any changes


It also ignores that the UK drove many of those changes.



UK is making a decision that will make a very small minority of its people wealthier or more powerful, while reducing the wealth and global influence of its people overall. And they have concocted this idea of an EU boogeyman that exists only in some peoples' imagination and sold it to gullible people

Had the Maastricht Treaty been put to the British people in the 1990’s they would have put a stop to it then and there. The British People have always been more Eu-Sceptic that the Politicians. Some of the Politicians can be bought by big jobs in Europe Look at the Kinnocks as an example. The wages, expenses, Gold Plated pensions, pay offs when leaving jobs is just a method of buying the political establishments in Countries. How hard is it to buy FFG / Irish Labour Party for example ! Easy Peasy.

Had any of these previous Treaties been put to the British people they would have stopped them in their Tracks.

Anyway thankfully for the British they managed to get out Democratically. Isn’t that Brilliant.

First Up

blinding wrote:

Poor old Jo Swinson must have de-materialised. She has not been seen since Election Night. The Liberal Democrats have been hiding since the General Election. What an embarrassment their leader and Party turned out to be.

What does any of that have to do with the EU? Do you think anyone gives a sh#t?

fash

blinding wrote: »

When someone amicably leaves a Club then Ladies and Gentlemen shake hands and wish one another all the best.

The UK never "amicably" left the EU - it threatened to "crush" the EU, to renege on its bills, to use EU citizens as a pawn, to starve & block medical supplies to the Irish, to wage economic war on various member states, began propaganda campaigns in various countries against the EU, broke EU law, stole databases to which it was not entitled and then began a calculated campaign to pressurise the EU to break the single mark.
Perhaps you need to read the definition of ", amicable" in a reputable dictionary.

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

Had the Maastricht Treaty been put to the British people in the 1990’s they would have put a stop to it then and there. The British People have always been more Eu-Sceptic that the Politicians. Some of the Politicians can be bought by big jobs in Europe Look at the Kinnocks as an example. The wages, expenses, Gold Plated pensions, pay offs when leaving jobs is just a method of buying the political establishments in Countries. How hard is it to buy FFG / Irish Labour Party for example ! Easy Peasy.

Had any of these previous Treaties been put to the British people they would have stopped them in their Tracks.

Anyway thankfully for the British they managed to get out Democratically. Isn’t that Brilliant.

So you prefer to blame German or French or Dutch politicians rather than the UK electorate for electing "the wrong" people.


It's a little bit like your local GAA (or soccer club) electing two people to represent them at the county board people. And every time they go to a county board meeting they vote against what the club members want and actually propose motions against what the club members want. And when they come back and tell the members, the members decide to send them to the next meeting to represent them again, over and over again, then turning around and moaning and crying and blaming other clubs for agreeing to motions that their own reps proposed :pac:

blinding

First Up wrote: »

What does any of that have to do with the EU? Do you think anyone gives a sh#t?

The hammering the Eu-philes was comedy gold on election night.

Channel 4 with all their Re-Mainers have removed their Election Night Coverage from Youtube. Now that was hilarious and definitely not cricket of Channel 4 to remove such fun from Brexiteers. One daft Re-Mainer after another being un-intentional clowns :D:D

If anyone has it please, please post it:D:D:D:D:D

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

So you prefer to blame German or French or Dutch politicians rather than the UK electorate for electing "the wrong" people.


It's a little bit like your local GAA (or soccer club) electing two people to represent them at the county board people. And every time they go to a county board meeting they vote against what the club members want and actually propose motions against what the club members want. And when they come back and tell the members, the members decide to send them to the next meeting to represent them again, over and over again, then turning around and moaning and crying and blaming other clubs for agreeing to motions that their own reps proposed :pac:

It took longer than it should have done, as these things often do but the British People got it right in the Brexit Referendum and even more right again in the December 2019 Election. Brilliant Democracy.

First Up

blinding wrote:

The Armageddon for Britain and the British Starving etc etc.

Said who?

blinding wrote:

Verhofstadt doing his Foaming Hitler Impressions and threatening this that and the other !

Any examples?

blinding wrote:

Leo telling Britain that it was a small country when he is from a Country with 4.75 million people ad Britain has 67 Million people and is the 5th or 6th biggest Economy in the world.

Did you check the size of the EU?

blinding wrote:

The Eu must have blown some smoke up leo’s A$$ for that.

Dream on.

blinding wrote:

Donald Tusk disrespecting British Democracy ! When was the last time Tusk was actually elected by an Eu Electorate ? ?

How?

blinding wrote:

Fortunately the British people, they were paying plenty of attention to the Eu and as I said the more the British people saw of the Eu the less they liked it and for an Eu-Sceptic like me it was High Comedy to watch.

You have an unusual sense of humour but that's your privilege.

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

So you prefer to blame German or French or Dutch politicians rather than the UK electorate for electing "the wrong" people.


It's a little bit like your local GAA (or soccer club) electing two people to represent them at the county board people. And every time they go to a county board meeting they vote against what the club members want and actually propose motions against what the club members want. And when they come back and tell the members, the members decide to send them to the next meeting to represent them again, over and over again, then turning around and moaning and crying and blaming other clubs for agreeing to motions that their own reps proposed :pac:

Keep swallowing the Eu propaganda. There has always been good stuff from Central Europe. The Eu is as clean as Snow White of course;););):D:D:D

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

Keep swallowing the Eu propaganda. There has always been good stuff from Central Europe. The Eu is as clean as Snow White of course;););):D:D:D

Mad how the once great UK was so reduced and outmaneuvered that it subserviently elected politicians for 45 years who blindly followed the bidding of the great powers of Belgium and Luxembourg


That's basically two generations over there that have grown up only knowing how to be Europe's bitch and allowing themselves to be ridden over and over again. The same people are now going to be trying to do deals with the US and China. Do you trust them? After bending over and taking the abuse for so long? There wasn't even a whiff of any force threatened during that time to keep then bent over. They just took it.


The above is the only consistent conclusion of the story you paint

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

Mad how the once great UK was so reduced and outmaneuvered that it subserviently elected politicians for 45 years who blindly followed the bidding of the great powers of Belgium and Luxembourg


That's basically two generations over there that have grown up only knowing how to be Europe's bitch and allowing themselves to be ridden over and over again. The same people are now going to be trying to do deals with the US and China. Do you trust them? After bending over and taking the abuse for so long? There wasn't even a whiff of any force threatened during that time to keep then bent over. They just took it.


The above is the only consistent conclusion of the story you paint

As I said its easy to buy Political establishments.

Look how easy it is to buy FFG and the Irish Labour Party. Why do you think the rewards for doing fook all in Brussels are so good. Was there one Irish MEP in the last Eu parliament that never went despite claiming everything that could be claimed ?

That's how you buy Political establishments and their Countries.

Tough that the British people worked this out and put an end to the gravy trains:D:D:D:D:D:D

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

As I said its easy to buy Political establishments.

Look how easy it is to buy FFG and the Irish Labour Party. Why do you think the rewards for doing fook all in Brussels are so good. Was there one Irish MEP in the last Eu parliament that never went despite claiming everything that could be claimed ?

That's how you buy Political establishments and their Countries.

Tough that the British people worked this out and put an end to the gravy trains:D:D:D:D:D:D

The UK only put an end to the gravy train for the otherwise unelectable Farage and UKIP/Brexit party.

And they didn't even do that in reality - they'll be paying a large chunk of that 39bn so that Nige and pals continue to get their big pensions.

The "FFG and the Irish Labour Party" lads and lassies will still get theirs (and it will be subsidized by whatever subvention that the UK has to pay in to get access to EU markets)!

First Up

blinding wrote:

Keep swallowing the Eu propaganda. There has always been good stuff from Central Europe. The Eu is as clean as Snow White of course

You would be better occupied thinking about the UK's future in the global economy but I suppose you have to find (or invent) comfort where you can find it.

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

The UK only put an end to the gravy train for the otherwise unelectable Farage and UKIP/Brexit party.

And they didn't even do that in reality - they'll be paying a large chunk of that 39bn so that Nige and pals continue to get their big pensions.

The "FFG and the Irish Labour Party" lads and lassies will still get theirs (and it will be subsidized by whatever subvention that the UK has to pay in to get access to EU markets)!

Funny thing is Nigel Farage was absolutely Brilliant at getting himself and his Party Members elected To Brussels. The Best Agent Destructive ever seen anywhere:D:D:D:D:D:D

Why are ye so nervous / worried about being in the Eu without the British to hold yer’e hands:D:D:D

Is because those big bad Germans and French are going to shout Jump and ye will already be in the air:D:D:D

blinding

First Up wrote: »

You would be better occupied thinking about the UK's future in the global economy but I suppose you have to find (or invent) comfort where you can find it.

The Irish Political establishment are bought and paid for by Brussels.

Their Country and People Sold and all well before the 100 year anniversary of 1916 and well before the 100 year anniversary of Partial Irish Independence.

Was it for this that Thomas Clarke and James Connolly fought and sacrificed their lives ? ?

davedanon

blinding wrote: »

The Irish Political establishment are bought and paid for by Brussels.

Their Country and People Sold and all well before the 100 year anniversary of 1916 and well before the 100 year anniversary of Partial Irish Independence.

Was it for this that Thomas Clarke and James Connolly fought and sacrificed their lives ? ?

Can you stop with this dreary old nonsense, and post some original views, perchance?

blinding

davedanon wrote: »

Can you stop with this dreary old nonsense, and post some original views, perchance?

I have to educate the masses !

Can anybody explain why the Irish are so worried about being in the Eu without the British holding their hand ? ?

First Up

blinding wrote:

Can anybody explain why the Irish are so worried about being in the Eu without the British holding their hand ? ?

Oh please.

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

Funny thing is Nigel Farage was absolutely Brilliant at getting himself and his Party Members elected To Brussels. The Best Agent Destructive ever seen anywhere:D:D:D:D:D:D

Why are ye so nervous / worried about being in the Eu without the British to hold yer’e hands:D:D:D

Is because those big bad Germans and French are going to shout Jump and ye will already be in the air:D:D:D

Farage was a conman. That's all. Convinced the UK people that the EU was simultaneously irrelevant enough that they could elect gobshites to it while simultaneously telling them it was an evil bogeyman.



Worried about the EU? No, not at all. As the title of the thread says "will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit"



Ireland has nothing to fear from Europe and plenty to gain.

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

Farage was a conman. That's all. Convinced the UK people that the EU was simultaneously irrelevant enough that they could elect gobshites to it while simultaneously telling them it was an evil bogeyman.

Has there ever been a More Successful Politician in Europe or the World.

His political lifes Work Achieved.

How many Irish Politicians achieve anything bar pension accumulations.

He beat the Eu for British people = Democratic Win.

He beat the British establishment = Democratic Win

He beat the BBC / Channel 4 = Democratic win

He beat many of the British newspapers. Pretty much everyone bar the Telegraph / Express were against him

Those were big wins and against the odds.

Mighty Victories.

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

Has there ever been a More Successful Politician in Europe or the World.

His political lifes Work Achieved.

How many Irish Politicians achieve anything bar pension accumulations.

He beat the Eu for British people = Democratic Win.

He beat the British establishment = Democratic Win

He beat the BBC / Channel 4 = Democratic win

He beat many of the British newspapers. Pretty much everyone bar the Telegraph / Express were against him

Those were big wins and against the odds.

Mighty Victories.

Mighty imagined victories.


Can you name a person he was in battle against that he beat from this EU? The only people he ever competed with were other UK politicians.

Seth Brundle

blinding wrote: »

I have to educate the masses !

It's like listening to a small child :rolleyes:

theological

Donald Trump wrote: »

Europhobic could mean "afraid of" Europe. Doesn't imply "hate" to me

Brexit is a modest proposition. It is simply that all policy decisions concerning the United Kingdom should be made by those in the United Kingdom rather than in Brussels.

Despite the efforts of pro-EU posters here. Europe and the European Union are two different things.

I'm afraid of neither for what it is worth. It is good to maintain temperate language on these issues. Dishonest language should be frowned upon also. ancapailldorcha was being intentionally dishonest by using the phrase Europhobic to describe my position.

I'm so afraid of Europe that one of my lockdown activities has been to take a 90 day German course to improve my command of the language. I hope to make the most of it after everything comes back to normality.

But forgive me for breaking the stereotype that all Brexiteers are either hateful or afraid of Europe.

blinding

Donald Trump wrote: »

Mighty imagined victories.


Can you name a person he was in battle against that he beat from this EU? The only people he ever competed with were other UK politicians.

The Eu Parliament ; Many Many times.

It was very funny when the likes of Mairead McGuinness ( she who had the amnesia about her insurance claim, yet another Fg-er with an insurance claim )

Told the British they could not wave their flags even though they were waving goodbye:D:D:D

Of course it was alright for the Eu-phile Anti-democrats Lib Dems to wear offensive shirts. A strange type of democracy that Eu parliament. If you are a yes man / woman, different rules applied :eek::eek::eek:

He was the most affective MEP ever and by miles and miles.

The rest built up the expenses such as 300 Euro a day in un-vouched for expenses and every other bribe the Eu could come up with for them.

Was Nigel farage not leaving the Eu, He should have been made President of the Eu:D:D:D:D:D

blinding

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It's like listening to a small child :rolleyes:

Even a small child with a bit of a brain knows more about the Eu than ye !:D:D

blinding

theological wrote: »

Brexit is a modest proposition. It is simply that all policy decisions concerning the United Kingdom should be made by those in the United Kingdom rather than in Brussels.

Despite the efforts of pro-EU posters here. Europe and the European Union are two different things.

I'm afraid of neither for what it is worth. It is good to maintain temperate language on these issues. Dishonest language should be frowned upon also. ancapailldorcha was being intentionally dishonest by using the phrase Europhobic to describe my position.

I'm so afraid of Europe that one of my lockdown activities has been to take a 90 day German course to improve my command of the language. I hope to make the most of it after everything comes back to normality.

But forgive me for breaking the stereotype that all Brexiteers are either hateful or afraid of Europe.

A damn fine post. I must say you are much more refined and respectful than myself but you are still right on the Eu.

I am a bit more of a brawler, to be honest.

Donald Trump

theological wrote: »

Brexit is a modest proposition. It is simply that all policy decisions concerning the United Kingdom should be made by those in the United Kingdom rather than in Brussels.

Do you think that the UK remove itself from all the UN bodies and NATO?
They will need to also remove themselves from any other agreement. Climate accords etc. if they don't like the idea of signing up to deals where other countries have input.





The UK had a seat at the table in Europe for every decision that was taken that could have affected them. The only difference now is that they will be a decision taker with no say in the matter. They can only make a binary decision whether to accept or reject any deal along the way. They will have no power or influence in formulating any decision.

davedanon

blinding wrote: »

I have to educate the masses !

Can anybody explain why the Irish are so worried about being in the Eu without the British holding their hand ? ?

QED