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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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    #2552
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    blinding wrote:
    If any of ye Channel 4 Type Luvvies / Re-Mainers / Champagne Socialists can find their Election Night Coverage ?


    The UK is on it's own and facing it's two biggest challenges since WW2 - Covid 19 and the break up of the economic arrangements it has operated under for nearly 50 years.

    And you want to keep fighting a local squabble that doesn't matter to anyone else and that ended last year.

    You are funny.


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    #2553
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,373 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Most here keep talking about the EU and not Ireland. I'm concerned for Ireland first and foremost. Where does a no deal leave us? Do we end up with a border and troubles again, do we end up with austerity measures again?
    My primary concern is the Republic of Ireland. The rest of the EU doesn't matter that much to me.


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    #2554
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    I think it's terribly unfair to suggest brexiteers have anything but a deep love for Europe. Sure, dont thousands of them either live or holiday every year in the south of Spain where they spend their days drinking in pubs called The Brittania and The Rose and Crown?


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    #2555
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Most here keep talking about the EU and not Ireland. I'm concerned for Ireland first and foremost. Where does a no deal leave us? Do we end up with a border and troubles again, do we end up with austerity measures again?
    My primary concern is the Republic of Ireland. The rest of the EU doesn't matter that much to me.

    The WA took away the probability of a border. The UK have agreed and signed up to implementing controls such that NI/ROI stays open and in effect a NI/GB is created.

    From a trade POV, Ireland certainly faces a major challenge. Both in terms if direct sales to and from the UK, and also transport to other markets.


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    #2556
    [Deleted User]
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Most here keep talking about the EU and not Ireland. I'm concerned for Ireland first and foremost. Where does a no deal leave us? Do we end up with a border and troubles again, do we end up with austerity measures again?
    My primary concern is the Republic of Ireland. The rest of the EU doesn't matter that much to me.
    How does Ireland advance it's interests otherwise in this scenario?

    The UK is following it's own path.
    We are the EU.


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    #2557
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,373 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Deleted User wrote:
    How does Ireland advance it's interests otherwise in this scenario?
    The UK is following it's own path.
    I asked questions and you reply with a question?


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    #2558
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    And in terms of Irelands direct interests, we have very little options in this, as this is a UK decision. The only option we had to consider was whether to join leaving with the UK, or stick with the EU. We have chosen to stick to the EU.

    So with that decision came a major problem, what do with the potential for a border with NI and the issues that will cause.

    We played a blinder, IMO, to get that issue front and centre from the get go and managed, through lots of ups and downs, to get the UK to agree to take on the role of ensuring that the border would not become an issue.

    The fact that the UK hsn't really come to terms with what they have signed up to does point to potential issues coming down the line for sure. Johnson wasn't honest with people, and those that wanted to ignore reality were given the excuse by Johnson to do just that. But, as we have seen in just the last week with the acceptance that border controls will be put in place in NI, the reality of the the deal will become, well reality!

    As for dealing with the effects of No Deal, we can mitigate them somewhat, but unfortunately the UK decision will have serious negative consequences for us. It was a case of Bad or really bad, and we ended up with bad.

    I don't think you will find many Irish that are happy with the situation we find ourselves in but we try to make the best of a bad sitaution.


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    #2559
    2u2me
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Most here keep talking about the EU and not Ireland. I'm concerned for Ireland first and foremost. Where does a no deal leave us? Do we end up with a border and troubles again, do we end up with austerity measures again?
    My primary concern is the Republic of Ireland. The rest of the EU doesn't matter that much to me.

    I don't see us ending up with a border and troubles again, no-one wants that.

    In regards austerity it seems to be a fight between the richer and poorer nations, the richer ones demanding austerity while the poorer ones wanting more spending and loans; bonds.

    I don't think anyone has the stomach for another decade of austerity. If that's what the richer nations demand; I don't see the EU lasting much longer after Britain leaves.


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    #2560
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Indeed. This loathing they have for the EU may now have cost British lives given that they refused to join the EU's PPE procurement scheme almost certainly based on ideological reasons.


    Has the EU delivered any PPE on its scheme yet?


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    #2561
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    theological wrote: »
    Has the EU delivered any PPE on its scheme yet?

    Parts of it. Four PPE tenders were completed and suppliers were identified, apparently they were ready to deliver immediately.
    Other items, such as ventilators are on a longer lead time.

    I don't know if any have been delivered. Can't find info either way.


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    #2562
    Joe_ Public
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    Whether it was delivered or not would only matter if they had said when the row broke out that they didnt join because they believed the scheme wouldnt bear fruit. Instead they concocted some tall email story to cover up the reality it was a brexit inspired decision.


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    #2563
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Whether it was delivered or not would only matter if they had said when the row broke out that they didnt join because they believed the scheme wouldnt bear fruit. Instead they concocted some tall email story to cover up the reality it was a brexit inspired decision.


    It is relevant to ancapailldorcha's point.

    I'm hesitant to take this thread off topic into the virus however. We've got another more appropriate thread for this.


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    #2564
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,373 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Where is this border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK going to be?
    If it's the old border then we'll have the troubles back again.
    What's our options if we get the troubles back?


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    #2565
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Where is this border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK going to be?
    If it's the old border then we'll have the troubles back again.
    What's our options if we get the troubles back?

    It's going to be in the Irish sea. This has been common knowledge for some time.

    I do not know why you're trying to scaremonger about the Troubles. The border issue has been resolved to the satisfaction of Dublin, London and Brussels.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #2566
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,373 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ancapailldorcha wrote:
    It's going to be in the Irish sea. This has been common knowledge for some time.
    So no border on the island of Ireland? How does that work as regards goods going between the countries?
    ancapailldorcha wrote:
    I do not know why you're trying to scaremonger about the Troubles. The border issue has been resolved to the satisfaction of Dublin, London and Brussels.
    I'm not trying to scaremonger, I'm looking for answers. I wasn't aware it has been resolved. I heard about the border between the UK and Northern Ireland but it didn't seem like it had been fully committed to.


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    #2567
    First Up
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    eagle eye wrote:
    Where is this border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK going to be? If it's the old border then we'll have the troubles back again. What's our options if we get the troubles back?

    All the signs point to a quasi border in the North Channel, with N. Ireland staying in EU compliance.


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    #2568
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    First Up wrote: »
    All the signs point to a quasi border in the North Channel, with N. Ireland staying in EU compliance.

    There's some weird, potentially unworkable half customs border that may hurt the NI economy.

    But Boris says that's OK cause NI is not in Britain!


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    #2569
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    eagle eye wrote: »
    So no border on the island of Ireland? How does that work as regards goods going between the countries?

    NI stays in the EU single market and customs union for goods. Checks are done on goods shipped on or off the island from and to Great Britain. There are already phytosanitary checks on some food items between NI and GB.
    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not trying to scaremonger, I'm looking for answers. I wasn't aware it has been resolved. I heard about the border between the UK and Northern Ireland but it didn't seem like it had been fully committed to.

    It was when Johnson ratified the deal in Parliament. It's done.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #2570
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    I didn't see it but feel I have at this stage, given the amount of hype you are giving it.
    I can assure you that it was a pity you missed it = Un-intentional Comedy Gold:D

    I wonder why Channel 4 have made it disappear :confused:;)

    As Channel 4 are part funded by all the British Taxpayers should they be allowed to take this Gold off the Internet ? ?

    Perhaps the Eu could ask Channel 4 ( a big backer of theirs ) why ? ? ?


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    #2571
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    It was when Johnson ratified the deal in Parliament. It's done.

    And lest we forget, the people voted for the deal, for the Tories ran the GE campaign almost exclusively on the fact that this deal was the answer.

    Democracy in action. It has been fully accepted by the UK.


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    #2572
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    And lest we forget, the people voted for the deal, for the Tories ran the GE campaign almost exclusively on the fact that this deal was the answer.

    Democracy in action. It has been fully accepted by the UK.

    Great DeMoCrACy, when one part of the country can decide to f*ck over another part of the country.


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    #2573
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Great DeMoCrACy, when one part of the country can decide to f*ck over another part of the country.
    Sure Dublin is doing that in Ireland all the time !

    What has Dublin or Leinster House ever done for Donegal , Leitrim, Sligo, Roscommon....I could go on ! !


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    #2574
    Padre_Pio
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    blinding wrote: »
    Sure Dublin is doing that in Ireland all the time !

    What has Dublin or Leinster House ever done for Donegal , Leitrim, Sligo, Roscommon....I could go on ! !

    Give me a shout when Dublin creates conditions that may ultimately cause Donegal or Roscommon to consider joining another country to economically survive.


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    #2575
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,373 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    blinding wrote:
    Sure Dublin is doing that in Ireland all the time !

    What has Dublin or Leinster House ever done for Donegal , Leitrim, Sligo, Roscommon....I could go on ! !
    Yeah, all they do is set up dp centres and rehouse Dublin drug addicts.


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    #2576
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Give me a shout when Dublin creates conditions that may ultimately cause Donegal or Roscommon to consider joining another country to economically survive.
    They’d have snapped your hand off to join America all day every day and every minute of everyday. There is more thought of them in New York than Dublin ! !


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    #2577
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    blinding wrote: »
    They’d have snapped your hand off to join America all day every day and every minute of everyday. There is more thought of them in New York than Dublin ! !

    Yeah, but the rest of Ireland would have voted to keep them in.
    that's democracy in action.


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    #2578
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    For those who are interested the UK have published a draft free trade agreement on the government website.


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    #2579
    Junkyard Tom
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not trying to scaremonger, I'm looking for answers.

    Even in a no-deal scenario the Brexit ultras understand that key figures in the US have warned them not to mess about with the GFA/Ireland which means keeping Dublin happy which means no border through Ulster.

    irishtimes.com/news/politics/us-congress-would-oppose-an-eu-trade-deal-that-endangered-ni-peace


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    #2580
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Yeah, but the rest of Ireland would have voted to keep them in.
    that's democracy in action.
    Like Britain Voted to leave the Eu:D


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    #2581
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    theological wrote: »
    For those who are interested the UK have published a draft free trade agreement on the government website.

    And Gove stated in the commons today that the EU was not being flexible in the negotiations so far and that they needed to start to accept the UK as a sovereign equal.

    He also said that access to UK waters "will be on our terms".

    So the Uk get to decide their rules and access, but the Eu needs to compromise?


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