Is it possible to avoid illegal drug use?

skooterblue2

Arrival wrote: »

Do you think it's immoral simply because of its legal status? Because that's really stupid if so. It's fully legal in Canada and Uruguay and in multiple States in the US, and medicinally legal in many more, so clearly there must be something to it

No, there is nothing wrong with the inanimate chemicals, its to prevent them getting to the end user, who isnt always the most desireable person to be around.

cj maxx

God, all I want now is a fcuking joint. It helps me sleep ( good) and gives me a appetite ( im seriosly underweight ) plus I get to rehear all kinds of music I'd forgotten about. Plus my leg doesn't tremble after it.

Arrival

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh DEAR! Yes, immoral to break the law. Very much so. And mind your manners please. Calling folk names does not endear anyone to your cause .

And whatever you think it should be at this time it is illegal.. Here in Ireland where I live.

That is my decision. . If you want to do it, WHY not just do it? Do you need my endorsement to justify what YOU do? Ah is that it?

And I have all the help I need, thank you.

I don't even use or like cannabis so I definitely don't need your endorsement. I am just aware of its benefits for coping with pain that many people use it for. As for the bold, you said you've chronic pain so apparently not

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No, there is nothing wrong with the inanimate chemicals, its to prevent them getting to the end user, who isnt always the most desireable person to be around.

That's the big issue, really. I can assure you that many recreational users are genuinely successful and good people, they just use drugs to enjoy certain occasions from time to time a bit more. But unfortunately there are plenty of others who are completely undesirable people who engage in drug consumption also which exacerbates their ****tiness

Arghus

Completely possible to avoid illegal drug use.

Good try narc.

Sleeper12

Andrew00 wrote:

If someone went up to you on the street and handed you a Mars bar without it being wrapped you wouldn't eat it

I've seen people puke after taking "E" only to take the "E" out of the puke and swallow it again. Back in the late 80s and early 90s an "E" would set you back 25 punts

Graces7

Arrival wrote: »

I don't even use or like cannabis so I definitely don't need your endorsement. I am just aware of its benefits for coping with pain that many people use it for. As for the bold, you said you've chronic pain so apparently not



That's the big issue, really. I can assure you that many recreational users are genuinely successful and good people, they just use drugs to enjoy certain occasions from time to time a bit more. But unfortunately there are plenty of others who are completely undesirable people who engage in drug consumption also which exacerbates their ****tiness

Oh I did not know that taking illegal drugs cured serious illnesses? I have chronic pain that is well under control with prescription meds whose purity and safety I can trust. As I am sure you knew already. lol!

pablo128

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh I did not know that taking illegal drugs cured serious illnesses? I have chronic pain that is well under control with prescription meds whose purity and safety I can trust. As I am sure you knew already. lol!

Certain extracts from cannabis can be beneficial for certain conditions, such as controlling seizures. These extracts are not necessarily the phsycoactive parts of the drug, so it's not a case of getting stoned and curing seizures at the same time.

This is why you hear of medicinal cannabis use.

cj maxx

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've seen people puke after taking "E" only to take the "E" out of the puke and swallow it again. Back in the late 80s and early 90s an "E" would set you back 25 punts

ive have seen that too !!

I have a shaking "disorder" (physical, not mental) which western medicine nowadays suggests two possible treatments. Beta blockers which would turn me into a vegetable, and a surgical procedure to place a pump at the top of my spine, but connected to the brain. Both treatments have a very low success rate, and the surgery is also extremely dangerous. When I first got the disorder at 13 (29 years ago), they didn't have a clue, and tried a huge variety of drug dosages often with very painful side-effects. There are other experimental treatments, but honestly, they're often dodgy in the extreme.

My shaking disorder receives very little research because it's non-fatal, but it is degenerative. In that my shakes will progressively increase as I get older.. And there's strong links to it leading to Parkinson's disease in later years. It's also quite rare. For some people the shakes are limited to their hands, or the position of their heads. Mine is more rare, in that it affects my whole body. For example, I can't carry a bowl of hot soup without spilling most of it, and even with two hands, I'm likely to spill a full pint at the bar. I also get the occasional spasm which can jerk my arms, or legs, which makes driving a dubious event.

Cannabis is one of the few drugs that can help reduce the shakes. Don't get me wrong. I do smoke cannabis because I enjoy the buzz, but I also do it because of the effect on my shakes. However.... it is illegal and so, I can't have a regular supply, and have to make do with enduring the shakes (yes, I've checked with doctors for medical grade cannabis, but my disorder doesn't qualify for it). As such, I only smoke cannabis a few times a year, and generally prior to special events to reduce my shakes for a few hours.

I've lived all my adult life with this shaking disorder. It's part of my life and personality now... but it's definitely not easy to deal with. Especially, as I can see it getting worse each year.

There are many posters here who have a very narrow perspective about drugs. It's not all about getting fcuked up. (I prefer LSD or Shrooms for that )

Prominent_Dawg

pablo128 wrote: »

Certain extracts from cannabis can be beneficial for certain conditions, such as controlling seizures. These extracts are not necessarily the phsycoactive parts of the drug, so it's not a case of getting stoned and curing seizures at the same time.

This is why you hear of medicinal cannabis use.

So true.

Arrival

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh I did not know that taking illegal drugs cured serious illnesses? I have chronic pain that is well under control with prescription meds whose purity and safety I can trust. As I am sure you knew already. lol!

Can you actually try to comprehend posts before replying to them? It's really not difficult. I didn't say anything about cannabis curing serious illnesses, I said it's known to be beneficial for pain management. It's played a large part in the reduction of people addicted to and relying on opiates in the US. It's quite sad that you can't put aside the legality of a substance and actually consider its potential positives, really shows a lack of critical thinking skills. But then your generation suffers hugely with that issue, it's why Ireland still has a strong parochial mindset and is slow to progress with social issues lol

Here's a great example of cannabis helping someone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XDcsnxrX0g

pablo128 wrote: »

Certain extracts from cannabis can be beneficial for certain conditions, such as controlling seizures. These extracts are not necessarily the phsycoactive parts of the drug, so it's not a case of getting stoned and curing seizures at the same time.

This is why you hear of medicinal cannabis use.

Stop it with the facts and reasoning

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have a shaking "disorder" (physical, not mental) which western medicine nowadays suggests two possible treatments. Beta blockers which would turn me into a vegetable, and a surgical procedure to place a pump at the top of my spine, but connected to the brain. Both treatments have a very low success rate, and the surgery is also extremely dangerous. When I first got the disorder at 13 (29 years ago), they didn't have a clue, and tried a huge variety of drug dosages often with very painful side-effects. There are other experimental treatments, but honestly, they're often dodgy in the extreme.

My shaking disorder receives very little research because it's non-fatal, but it is degenerative. In that my shakes will progressively increase as I get older.. And there's strong links to it leading to Parkinson's disease in later years. It's also quite rare. For some people the shakes are limited to their hands, or the position of their heads. Mine is more rare, in that it affects my whole body. For example, I can't carry a bowl of hot soup without spilling most of it, and even with two hands, I'm likely to spill a full pint at the bar. I also get the occasional spasm which can jerk my arms, or legs, which makes driving a dubious event.

Cannabis is one of the few drugs that can help reduce the shakes. Don't get me wrong. I do smoke cannabis because I enjoy the buzz, but I also do it because of the effect on my shakes. However.... it is illegal and so, I can't have a regular supply, and have to make do with enduring the shakes (yes, I've checked with doctors for medical grade cannabis, but my disorder doesn't qualify for it). As such, I only smoke cannabis a few times a year, and generally prior to special events to reduce my shakes for a few hours.

I've lived all my adult life with this shaking disorder. It's part of my life and personality now... but it's definitely not easy to deal with. Especially, as I can see it getting worse each year.

There are many posters here who have a very narrow perspective about drugs. It's not all about getting fcuked up. (I prefer LSD or Shrooms for that )

Sad to hear about your condition but it's great you've at least tried and found something that helps. Sadly we're too thick a country to speed up the inevitable availability of medicinal cannabis so people suffering like you can experience some more semblance of normality soon. But at least things are progressing nicely towards its being available in other countries so eventually we'll follow on like the good little sheep we are. In the meantime, have you tried any of the CBD products available? I know they're not proper CBD since they're made from hemp but supposedly some of them can still be very good

Arrival

Arrival wrote: »

Sad to hear about your condition but it's great you've at least tried and found something that helps. Sadly we're too thick a country to speed up the inevitable availability of medicinal cannabis so people suffering like you can experience some more semblance of normality soon. But at least things are progressing nicely towards its being available in other countries so eventually we'll follow on like the good little sheep we are. In the meantime, have you tried any of the CBD products available? I know they're not proper CBD since they're made from hemp but supposedly some of them can still be very good

Nah, I got on with life. I live in China right now, which has a zero tolerance on anything drug related. I'll be back in Europe for living after another year, so I'll probably settle in Spain or another country with more "enlightened" drug policies.

Arrival

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nah, I got on with life. I live in China right now, which has a zero tolerance on anything drug related. I'll be back in Europe for living after another year, so I'll probably settle in Spain or another country with more "enlightened" drug policies.

Fair play, you seem to have a good attitude and approach to it. Best of luck!

Liam O

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Try wading knee deep down OConnell street in them. They are dirty, eyesores, smelly and a danger to themselves and other people. That film "Adam and Paul" gives great insight to the Junkie mindset.

And you think it's Ecstasy or weed these people are on?

Prescription drugs kill far more people every year than any illegal drug.

There are differences between each drug and dismissing everything in one fell swoop is foolish in the extreme.

Quantum Erasure

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You mean like those Chinese bath salts and plant food from head shops made by budget industrial chemists in China? Pass.

fúck no.

more like Valium, Oxycontin, whatever you can get your hands on...

lainey_d_123

Liam O wrote: »

And you think it's Ecstasy or weed these people are on?

Prescription drugs kill far more people every year than any illegal drug.

There are differences between each drug and dismissing everything in one fell swoop is foolish in the extreme.

Exactly.

Ridiculous to compare heroin junkies with people who smoke weed the odd time to relax or do a few lines of coke on a night out.

I know loads of people with well paid, professional jobs who take illegal drugs every now and then.

You can do drugs and not be an addict the same way you can drink alcohol and not be an addict.

Always Tired

skooterblue2 wrote: »

yeah but when you dementia at 60 and cant remember if it is Monday or March, then it matters.

Yeah cuz that's what happens. You probably still write letters to Santy telling him how much of a good boy you've been all year.

Btw there are usually at least a couple of Mondays in every March so it could easily be both!

Doctor Nick

Andrew00 wrote: »

Just don't take drugs . Have a few pints of Guinness and enjoy the craic

Direct contradiction in this statement right here.

pure.conya

KiKi III wrote: »

Most of my friends from down home have never even smoked weed.

They go pretty hard on the booze though.

so that's a no then

pure.conya

Andrew00 wrote: »

Just don't take drugs. Have a few pints of Guinness and enjoy the craic

Guinness is a mind and mood altering drug

pure.conya

Osamabindipper wrote: »

Never touched any form of illegal drugs in my life.

Drink was enough for me when was younger I dont feel I missed out on anything.

something tells me your attitude might change if alcohol was prohibited tomorrow

pure.conya

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What is the definition of true love?
Two Junkies sh1tting the bed

huh?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

pure.conya wrote: »

something tells me your attitude might change if alcohol was prohibited tomorrow

"BAN ALL DRUGS - except the ones i use. Those ones are ok...."

pure.conya

skooterblue2 wrote: »

yeah but when you dementia at 60 and cant remember if it is Monday or March, then it matters.

cannabis improves the lives of even incommunicado dementia patients

https://www.forbes.com/sites/abbierosner/2019/03/04/new-medical-cannabis-research-from-israel-older-adults-dementia-and-dialysis/#677966f93660

pure.conya

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You mean like those Chinese bath salts and plant food from head shops made by budget industrial chemists in China? Pass.

no they're illegal, you really don't know what you're talking about at all do you

pure.conya

Graces7 wrote: »

I was offered drugs once; cannot remember what. Cannabis? Something illegal anyways NB I am an old lady who walks with a stick and sometimes clearly in pain,

It was at a street market in Dunmanway. A couple who told me it would ease my [pain better than codeine which they said is addictive.. they only backed off when I reminded them that it was illegal

It must be so easy to get caught up in it; I have severe chronic pain


Must be so easy to get caught up.

cannabis is a winner drug for those suffering from chronic pain, the most severe side effects of cannabis are the munchies or needing to lie down for a nap

meanwhile codeines side effects are
Bloating
blurred vision
chills
cold, clammy skin
confusion
constipation
darkened urine
difficult or troubled breathing
dizziness
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position
fainting
fast, irregular, pounding, or racing heartbeat or pulse
fast, weak pulse
feeling of warmth
fever
indigestion
irregular, fast or slow, or shallow breathing
lightheadedness
loss of appetite
nausea
no blood pressure or pulse
no breathing
pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
pale or blue lips, fingernails, or skin
redness of the face, neck, arms, and occasionally, upper chest
stopping of the heart
sweating
unconsciousness
unusual tiredness or weakness
vomiting
yellow eyes or skin

pure.conya

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Try wading knee deep down OConnell street in them. They are dirty, eyesores, smelly and a danger to themselves and other people. That film "Adam and Paul" gives great insight to the Junkie mindset.

now I know you're defo trolling here

pure.conya

Graces7 wrote: »

As I said very clearly it is illegal. Period. End of..

being gay was illegal not that long ago

Hoop66

tdf7187 wrote: »

I myself became addicted to Toblerone during a dark period in my life. At my worst, I ballooned to up to 14 stone, which is 11.3% above my optimum BMI.

You didn't drive to Dundee in your bare feet did you?

con___manx1

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its much easier to avoid drugs if you are having other hobbies.
There are two people that get involved in drugs:
People who have all the comforts in their life and they get involved out of boredom.
Then there are the people who are slipping into poverty and they get involved to escape the boredom.

What about the people who suffer with depression or the loss of a loved one. It's very easy to go on that road as an escape. It's the very same with drink.

topper75

skooterblue2 wrote: »

... still kept the mushrooms weed and what not... Now a few of them are coming out as Bi-polar and other mental health problems....

That has always been a chicken and egg question for me. Booze included.

pure.conya

Graces7 wrote: »

Why? I have no desire and no need. Period.

You wreck your head if you want to but no way will I .
Even were they legal. no way. I am with the times ; read this thread

OK?
OK!

And the mentality of trying to sell junk to an old lady like that! REALLY!

"junk" that works though, it's you that's got the totally wrong attitude in this scenario

just look at what it can do immediately for severe ms sufferers

https://binged.it/2U0fh7O

Hoboo

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh I did not know that taking illegal drugs cured serious illnesses? I have chronic pain that is well under control with prescription meds whose purity and safety I can trust. As I am sure you knew already. lol!

Trust? Purity? You're having a laugh.

skooterblue2

con___manx1 wrote: »

What about the people who suffer with depression or the loss of a loved one. It's very easy to go on that road as an escape. It's the very same with drink.

That is similar, nothing positive or constructive to occupy the mind to escape so something else moves in.

pure.conya

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh I did not know that taking illegal drugs cured serious illnesses? I have chronic pain that is well under control with prescription meds whose purity and safety I can trust. As I am sure you knew already. lol!

safety eh? https://www.statista.com/statistics/611237/cocaine-deaths-us-number/

mayve you don't realise that cannabis has never killed 1 person, ever

skooterblue2

pure.conya wrote: »

no they're illegal, you really don't know what you're talking about at all do you

yes but they were unregulated before they copped on. I am always fascinated why junkies go to great lengths to pursue danger chemicals.

skooterblue2

pure.conya wrote: »

safety eh? https://www.statista.com/statistics/611237/cocaine-deaths-us-number/

mayve you don't realise that cannabis has never killed 1 person, ever

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

skooterblue2

Hoboo wrote: »

Trust? Purity? You're having a laugh.

Highly regulated industry. try working in it.

JohnnyFlash

pure.conya wrote: »

cannabis is a winner drug for those suffering from chronic pain, the most severe side effects of cannabis are the munchies or needing to lie down for a nap

Or psychosis.

skooterblue2

pure.conya wrote: »

being gay was illegal not that long ago

different arguement

Sardonicat

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

Yet there are plenty old timer cannabis smokers who never touched any other drug

pure.conya

skooterblue2 wrote: »

yes but they were unregulated before they copped on. I am always fascinated why junkies go to great lengths to pursue danger chemicals.

ever been house riding?

https://binged.it/2O3cNSe

TheAnalyst_

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

Doing heroin doesn't make you a junkie. Same as cocaine, some people can keep it on a low level whilst others it completey takes over their mind and life.

begbysback

skooterblue2 wrote: »

different arguement

Actually it’s not, it’s a perception of what is right and what is wrong in society, what’s legal and what’s illegal, what’s acceptable and what’s unacceptable, and how these constructs can change over time.

When I was young we used to slag people by calling them names such as fag, or gay. This perception didn’t originate from within myself, it was passed on to me from others. Same as your beliefs of drug addicts and drugs, they obviously come from newspaper articles and heresy.

pure.conya

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

i think you'll find that alcohol is the number 1 gateway drug, three times the amount of people reported it as being the first drug they ever used

prohibition is the number 1 killer of heroin junkies btw

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

IN that case, we're back to the "ban everything" mentality, no?

jh79

pure.conya wrote: »

cannabis is a winner drug for those suffering from chronic pain, the most severe side effects of cannabis are the munchies or needing to lie down for a nap

Cannabis has performed poorly in chronic pain trials. Just about met the treshold for clinical benefit. That's why its not included in the new medicial marijuana access scheme.

farmchoice

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

small point but in Ireland there were lots of people like this in the 80's possibly the only place in the worlds where it happened.
the heroin epidemic of the early 80's in Dublin saw lots of kids take heroin as their first drug. there really was no culture of drug taking before that, in working class areas of the inner city even smoking cannabis was rare enough and then herion came along and it just exploded.
not like that anymore.

Hoop66

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

Massive generalisation. I suspect you just throw out tired tropes like this to wind people up.

Ash.J.Williams

the interesting thing about our current cocaine epidemic is that it seems to be affecting men and women that have been until now outside the usual drug user group, and age demographic, people who didn't take drugs in their youth seem to have a 2nd life now in their 30's and forties...i find it hilarious to be honest as these people (in my village the sports clubs gaa, soccer etc) were on a serious high horse when i was a youth..

man i did laugh when half the senior team and management were caught in the jax in the local gaa pub

also many bands i know said sporting dinner dances are now awash with cocaine and the people involved are a new demographic!