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HappyKitten62

sm333 wrote: »

I have found serious solace here at times when speaking to people in real life about these exams freaked me out. There's enough competition in the real world legal industry, people openly sharing notes and encouragement here is the most welcome change.

Let's keep this space kind and supportive, we've all worked really hard and don't need anyone, least of all each other, diminishing that.

Each to their own I suppose.

Vegetarian2017

sm333 wrote: »

I have found serious solace here at times when speaking to people in real life about these exams freaked me out. There's enough competition in the real world legal industry, people openly sharing notes and encouragement here is the most welcome change.

Let's keep this space kind and supportive, we've all worked really hard and don't need anyone, least of all each other, diminishing that.

I have found everyone very kind and helpful on here only ever had positive experiences Certainly helped me out many of times.

L.E.D

Just been told that the law society has said that you can sit the EU and tort exams both now and the summer. So you can resit in summer if you fail.

Louis Litt

L.E.D wrote: »

Just been told that the law society has said that you can sit the EU and tort exams both now and the summer. So you can resit in summer if you fail.

If thats the case, do you think they will just have an open sitting even allow those who were not registered for this sitting to sit them in the summer?

iamanengine

Louis Litt wrote: »

If thats the case, do you think they will just have an open sitting even allow those who were not registered for this sitting to sit them in the summer?

I didn’t sit EU, I wonder is it possible to sit Tort and resit EU in the summer?

L.E.D

Louis Litt wrote: »

If thats the case, do you think they will just have an open sitting even allow those who were not registered for this sitting to sit them in the summer?

I'm not sure to be honest, I would imagine they would have to in the interest of fairness.

To be honest I think this information should have been circulated to all student, it's u fair that some are aware of this and others aren't. I chose not to go in today and it wouldn't have effected my own decisions, but could have effected other people and everyone should be told the same!

iamanengine

Ok I’ve decided to go for Tort, what do people think about these topics:

Land/Rylands/Nuisance
Trespass to Person
Passing Off
Vicarious
Occupiers
Products
Negligence
PEL/NM
Nervous Shock
Animals/Fire
Red Ipsa
Concurrent
Limitations
Damages
Defamation
Professional

nmurphy1441

iamanengine wrote: »

Ok I’ve decided to go for Tort, what do people think about these topics:

Land/Rylands/Nuisance
Trespass to Person
Passing Off
Vicarious
Occupiers
Products
Negligence
PEL/NM
Nervous Shock
Animals/Fire
Red Ipsa
Concurrent
Limitations
Damages
Defamation
Professional

I’m going for it too!!! Seem to have everything covered. Anything you think might come up?

20082014

iamanengine wrote: »

Ok I’ve decided to go for Tort, what do people think about these topics:

Land/Rylands/Nuisance
Trespass to Person
Passing Off
Vicarious
Occupiers
Products
Negligence
PEL/NM
Nervous Shock
Animals/Fire
Red Ipsa
Concurrent
Limitations
Damages
Defamation
Professional

Excuse my ignorance but what’s PEL/NM?

iamanengine

20082014 wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but what’s PEL/NM?

Apologies, Pure Economic Loss/Negligent Misstatement

20082014

iamanengine wrote: »

Apologies, Pure Economic Loss/Negligent Misstatement

Thanks! Im covering pretty much the same but hoping defamation, res ipsa or liability for animals don't come up as I have just skimmed over them! are you doing employers liability?

rightytighty

What did people think of EU, did anyone else find the Free Movement of Workers/Citizenship question very difficult to read?

isawitfirst

rightytighty wrote: »

What did people think of EU, did anyone else find the Free Movement of Workers/Citizenship question very difficult to read?

Very difficult, weird wording! And was it just me or was it kind of hard to find something he could claim on citizenship when he was still living in Belgium?

nmurphy1441

20082014 wrote: »

Thanks! Im covering pretty much the same but hoping defamation, res ipsa or liability for animals don't come up as I have just skimmed over them! are you doing employers liability?

Hoping defamation doesn’t come up either, it’s been up the last 4 in a row I think! Surely due a break!

DUMSURFER

Hey everyone, hope EU went great. Any chance one of you lovely people could send on pictures of the paper? It would be greatly appreciated and anyone who does, I’ll pray every night until the results come out that you pass!

JCormac

iamanengine wrote: »

Ok I’ve decided to go for Tort, what do people think about these topics:

Land/Rylands/Nuisance
Trespass to Person
Passing Off
Vicarious
Occupiers
Products
Negligence
PEL/NM
Nervous Shock
Animals/Fire
Red Ipsa
Concurrent
Limitations
Damages
Defamation
Professional

Essentially the same minus what's in bold and plus Employers Liability.

List seems pretty solid.

Am I right in thinking that if Limitations were to come up it would be in Essay format?

SwD

isawitfirst wrote: »

Very difficult, weird wording! And was it just me or was it kind of hard to find something he could claim on citizenship when he was still living in Belgium?

He was a citizen of France and a student in Dublin.

His mother was originally from Belgium.

iamanengine

Would anyone be willing to send me notes on Employers? Seems like a lot of people are doing it and I have nothing on it

rightytighty

isawitfirst wrote: »

Very difficult, weird wording! And was it just me or was it kind of hard to find something he could claim on citizenship when he was still living in Belgium?

It was my last question and i was stuck for time, I just mentioned Bidar allows for restrictions on giving grants, that the tax requirements might be seen as charges under Gravier, and then threw in it I think it’s Article 6 of 492/2011 - really just a wild stab haha but I think he’s a nice marker and my first 4 were quite strong I think

JCormac

iamanengine wrote: »

Would anyone be willing to send me notes on Employers? Seems like a lot of people are doing it and I have nothing on it

I'll send you what I have. I believe I have your email.

iamanengine

JCormac wrote: »

Essentially the same minus what's in bold and plus Employers Liability.

List seems pretty solid.

Am I right in thinking that if Limitations were to come up it would be in Essay format?

Not sure about essay or problem question although I imagine it's a topic that does lend itself to a problem Q fairly well, main reason I am covering is that there were two fairly big cases in 2019 - Green v Hardiman and Sullivan v Ireland

JCormac

iamanengine wrote: »

Not sure about essay or problem question although I imagine it's a topic that does lend itself to a problem Q fairly well, main reason I am covering is that there were two fairly big cases in 2019 - Green v Hardiman and Sullivan v Ireland

Fack

isawitfirst

SwD wrote: »

He was a citizen of France and a student in Dublin.

His mother was originally from Belgium.

It doesn't say he's a French citizen though? It just says he lives in Belgium with his mam.

But it also says he lives in Belgium but is somehow also on erasmus in dublin.

isawitfirst

rightytighty wrote: »

It was my last question and i was stuck for time, I just mentioned Bidar allows for restrictions on giving grants, that the tax requirements might be seen as charges under Gravier, and then threw in it I think it’s Article 6 of 492/2011 - really just a wild stab haha but I think he’s a nice marker and my first 4 were quite strong I think

I don't even know what I wrote I just panicked and flicked through legislation and wrote so many disjointed random paragraphs. I had 3 good questions and two dodgy ones, praying that its ok

isawitfirst

DUMSURFER wrote: »

Hey everyone, hope EU went great. Any chance one of you lovely people could send on pictures of the paper? It would be greatly appreciated and anyone who does, I’ll pray every night until the results come out that you pass!

PM me your email, I'll send it to you

Lawgrad101

What was the turn out like for EU?

Sineaddh

Lawgrad101 wrote: »

What was the turn out like for EU?

About 30 in cork!

EAL2019

Lawgrad101 wrote: »

What was the turn out like for EU?

I was in the red cow, in the room I was in I counted 100 desks (as in 10x10) and it was about 75% full I’d say. Dunno if that was representative of the other rooms.

They also staggered us going in to/leaving the exams so it was one big rush, so ended up getting about 7 mins extra I think

There were also far fewer people hanging around before it from what I could tell!

Breacnua

EAL2019 wrote: »

I was in the red cow, in the room I was in I counted 100 desks (as in 10x10) and it was about 75% full I’d say. Dunno if that was representative of the other rooms.

They also staggered us going in to/leaving the exams so it was one big rush, so ended up getting about 7 mins extra I think

There were also far fewer people hanging around before it from what I could tell!

Were there many rooms set up ?

sm333

If it's helpful to anyone who sat it today, EU is a bitch to study for but undoubtedly one of the easiest in terms of marking. Wouldn't stress if you're not thrilled with some of your answers.

rightytighty

sm333 wrote: »

If it's helpful to anyone who sat it today, EU is a bitch to study for but undoubtedly one of the easiest in terms of marking. Wouldn't stress if you're not thrilled with some of your answers.

I appreciate the encouragement, kind of you!

JCormac

L.E.D wrote: »

Just been told that the law society has said that you can sit the EU and tort exams both now and the summer. So you can resit in summer if you fail.

Was it confirmed for sure that we can sit the Tort exam again in Summer if we fail the sitting on Monday? Thanks!

iamanengine

Standard of Care and Duty both up last time, anyone fancy a causation question for this sitting?

rightytighty

iamanengine wrote: »

Standard of Care and Duty both up last time, anyone fancy a causation question for this sitting?

Yeah that’s what I’m betting on

Breacnua

iamanengine wrote: »

Standard of Care and Duty both up last time, anyone fancy a causation question for this sitting?

Definitely

jewels652

Eu was actually a nice paper I had four okish question I git caught up for time so my fifth was just bullet points so hopefully it’ll be enough.

So far I think what came up:
1. Principles
2. Institutions
3. Direct effect
4. Judicial review
5. Goods
6. Worker and citizenship
7. Case
8. Competition

With the judicial review question he only wanted cases from 2009 ?

rightytighty

jewels652 wrote: »

Eu was actually a nice paper I had four okish question I git caught up for time so my fifth was just bullet points so hopefully it’ll be enough.

So far I think what came up:
1. Principles
2. Institutions
3. Direct effect
4. Judicial review
5. Goods
6. Worker and citizenship
7. Case
8. Competition

With the judicial review question he only wanted cases from 2009 ?

I included indirect effect and MSL in my answer for 2. Didn’t learn the years for my cases either haha I just gave him everything I knew on JR for Q4

EAL2019

jewels652 wrote: »

Eu was actually a nice paper I had four okish question I git caught up for time so my fifth was just bullet points so hopefully it’ll be enough.

So far I think what came up:
1. Principles
2. Institutions
3. Direct effect
4. Judicial review
5. Goods
6. Worker and citizenship
7. Case
8. Competition

With the judicial review question he only wanted cases from 2009 ?

Yeah I was kinda thrown by the 2009 thing cause I really hadn’t been paying attention to whether the cases were pre-Lisbon or not.

I did a brief reference to the pre-Lisbon “in substance a decision” thing and then just talked about the cases I had whether they were post-2009 or not

isawitfirst

rightytighty wrote: »

I included indirect effect and MSL in my answer for 2. Didn’t learn the years for my cases either haha I just gave him everything I knew on JR for Q4

I only knew one case post Lisbon on JR, with the lower standard so that's all he got lol

rightytighty

isawitfirst wrote: »

I only knew one case post Lisbon on JR, with the lower standard so that's all he got lol

Is Codorniu post?

jewels652

rightytighty wrote: »

I included indirect effect and MSL in my answer for 2. Didn’t learn the years for my cases either haha I just gave him everything I knew on JR for Q4

I thought question 2 was on the institutions q3 was direct effect

rightytighty

jewels652 wrote: »

I thought question 2 was on the institutions q3 was direct effect

My mistake sorry

isawitfirst

I wrote microban anyway

jewels652

And just to me ame sure free movement of goods was on art 34-36?

rightytighty

jewels652 wrote: »

And just to me ame sure free movement of goods was on art 34-36?

It was indeed

jewels652

rightytighty wrote: »

My mistake sorry

Haha no worries. We are all very tired at this stage not thinking straight.

jewels652

rightytighty wrote: »

It was indeed

That’s excellent. Thanks for the confirmation.

rightytighty

jewels652 wrote: »

That’s excellent. Thanks for the confirmation.

I wasn’t really sure on the first bit, both grounds were explicitly allowed under art 36? I just mentioned cases like conegate, henn and Darby, sandoz and said courts deferential to member states on what’s best

Part 2 characteristics, Mars case?

jewels652

So I sat my last two constitutional and Eu. I am 100 sure I’ll be repeating constitutional. I have mixed feelings with Eu, four good questions and the last one on bullet points. It was a hard few weeks but I am glad is all over for now.

Best of luck to everyone who sat the exams and to those sitting tort on Monday.

jewels652

rightytighty wrote: »

I wasn’t really sure on the first bit, both grounds were explicitly allowed under art 36? I just mentioned cases like conegate, henn and Darby, sandoz and said courts deferential to member states on what’s best

Part 2 characteristics, Mars case?

Part was on the German issue ? I thought it was Keck ? Selling arrangements ??