RTE Claire Byrne live - 7 leader debate, NUI Galway ...

JMMCapital

Mary Lou??? Not a chance, socialism doesn’t work! Are all the young people my age deluded or what?

ELM327

I'll be voting FG. More of the same, best for managing the economy.

Midlife crisis man wrote: »

Leo saying the average working salary is €47,000. Is this figure skewed? I make nowhere near that, my friends make nowhere near that, my parents make nowhere near. I'm fact, I don't know anyone who makes +- that for it to be the average salary.

Most people I know make more than that. Pretty much all my regular circle.

I'm on more than that, and I'm earning well less than a few friends.



It depends on your industry and your career decisions. Very easy to go in, non skilled job, not put effort in to climb the ladder and then complain.

ELM327

Panjandrums wrote: »

47k is the average full time workers salary

I think it's the mean average
If you used median, which reduces the impact of a few millionaires, the average is closer to 36k


You also have to decide how non FTE is accounted for.

Peanut2011

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

They have some lofty goals, but have no real way of funding them. They are not FDI friendly.

And this is the biggest reason they are only still at 2% and will never rise to more in my opinion.

They do mean well for society but do not have the balance between companies who bring employment and revenue to country and the complete ideology that everything should be publicly owned.

is_that_so

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Hmm...in that case I apologise.

PBP are talking about a minimum 12.5% CT, and that would be increased as needs be. Considering our effective rate of CT is 12.4%, they would need to increase that rapidly to balance the books.

On top of that, they don’t seem to comprehend that the €14bn from Apple will not go to Ireland, that will be split between EU member states.

They also want to withdraw R&D funding for Pharma, and replace that with funding for the manufacture of generic drugs. I believe this idea is ill conceived, we cannot compete in this area, standard drug manufacturing is being moved to lower cost bases. Where we thrive is in R&D: https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0128/1111363-allergan-mayo-expansion/

They have some lofty goals, but have no real way of funding them. They are not FDI friendly.

Apple money is more likely to go to the IRS and 12.5% is the rate for all companies so little and large would get hit. MNCs are very good at minimising that rate.

walshb

emerfan wrote: »

No, but ironing maketh a good impression when you're going on national television.

Exactly. Not even having the care and thought and character to at least dress appropriate, does indeed, tell me a lot about the man...

It's just the dumbing down of standards mentality among many in society.

I read a fair bit on social media, and some of the posts (from elected officials) you'd think a 3 year old had written them. How anyone could place trust in this type mentality and attitude baffles me...

Having actual standards today seems to get more mocking than applause.

thegetawaycar

It was a pretty poor debate in general and very little was learnt.

RBB - Did as expected, everything to everyone for free and tax the job creators more. He wants the councils (who can't collect the money owed from a small number of tenants) to be the owners of all the housing stock. A right to housing in the constitution meaning anyone without a house can take the state for compo etc... Some nice soundbites and points on NAMA selling off assets

MM - Clearly had prepared for the debate but wanted to say too much all the time and just comes across dull and spoke over Mary Lou on every occasion. He really battled at Mary Lou as he clearly sees SF as the enemy, good points made on the pension age up north and seemed to be prepared for the rural crime issue. Hit at FG for their promise to abolish USC (he was better at being anti other parties than pro his own)

LV - Stayed quiet on some issues where FG are not strong and tried to go out as the guardian of the purse strings and the only one to focus on job creation and economy strengthening. Even managed to crack a joke on "nutters in every party". Tried to argue that his party only had 3 years to house build as FF had left a mess behind them.

Mary Lou - Had a fight on her hands with "tweedledee and tweedledum", had a nice soundbite on FF running the country to the ground and FG being so fiscally prudent they are building the worlds most expensive hospital. Said she would bring pension age back to 65 (would have liked Claire to follow up on how this works with NI having a later age), was caught out on the banks not paying tax backfiring and just kept repeating it. Was also not impressive when dealing with the special criminal court

Ryans and Howlin both probably were better not speaking too much although Ryan will not have won many farmers over

Would have liked to hear more from Shortall she was hit with the cut to garda numbers

There was backing for rent freezes and all parties said they'd build more houses.

KaneToad

I think these debates are useless and I would hope voters do not make decisions based on them. I don't care what my politician looks like, how well they can perform on TV or who their father/mother/uncle was.

What is of importance is identifying the manifesto that most closely matches your ideology and vote for that party/independent. If no one matches your ideology, you're in the minority, but you have the option to run for election yourself if you believe you're not an outlier.

Once you've identified "your" party, hopefully, they will have at least one candidate who is competent and has integrity. If not, consider joining the party and becoming the candidate yourself.

Midlife crisis man

ELM327 wrote: »

It depends on your industry and your career decisions. Very easy to go in, non skilled job, not put effort in to climb the ladder and then complain.

Every one of my friends put effort in bust their asses off. They are the retail workers, the hospitality workers, the call centre operators, the creche childminders, the thankless heroes of this country. They are the lost generation who have been busting their asses to make ends meet since coming out of college in '08 with noting but bleakness in front of them and are still feeling the effects of the economy a decade later

ELM327

Midlife crisis man wrote: »

Every one of my friends put effort in bust their asses off. They are the retail workers, the hospitality workers, the call centre operators, the creche childminders, the thankless heroes of this country. They are the lost generation who have been busting their asses to make ends meet since coming out of college in '08 with noting but bleakness in front of them and are still feeling the effects of the economy a decade later

I'm sure they do bust their gut.
I worked in a call center years ago and it was one of the most thankless jobs.


However, because it was low skilled the pay was not high. Currently I work in risk management.

AmberGold

Boyd Barrett stand out winner, rest were weak.

joe40

KaneToad wrote: »

I think these debates are useless and I would hope voters do not make decisions based on them. I don't care what my politician looks like, how well they can perform on TV or who their father/mother/uncle was.

What is of importance is identifying the manifesto that most closely matches your ideology and vote for that party/independent. If no one matches your ideology, you're in the minority, but you have the option to run for election yourself if you believe you're not an outlier.

Once you've identified "your" party, hopefully, they will have at least one candidate who is competent and has integrity. If not, consider joining the party and becoming the candidate yourself.

With current Irish Politics there will likely be a coalition of some sort, so no one party will get to fulfil their manifesto.
I do agree politics shouldn't be about personality, but leadership skills are important and also how our politicians express themselves on a world/EU stage.
Their values and how they will respond to unexpected issues that arise are also important.

Fr_Dougal

Another observation, FF only published their Manifesto publicly an hour and a half before the debate so no other party could critique it.

SmokyMo

The biggest issue is not lack of funds but a massive mismanagement and corruption.

MNC are not gonna leave because of PBP tax polices. That is just plain silly and propaganda. Talk to a corporate accountant, he ll open your eyes.

Hamsterchops

GooglePlus wrote: »

How do these boards polls usually fair out against the real thing?

Gerry Adams, Mary Lou, and Sinn Fein as a party always do very very well on these boards.ie polls

I would have been shocked if Mary Lou hadn't won on here...

is_that_so

AmberGold wrote: »

Boyd Barrett stand out winner, rest were weak.

In other words the loudest voice!

Fann Linn

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Gerry Adams, Mary Lou, and Sinn Fein as a party always do very very well on these boards.ie polls

I would have been shocked if Mary Lou hadn't won on here...

And on RTE.

eagle eye

AmberGold wrote:

Boyd Barrett stand out winner, rest were weak.

Boyd Barrett supporter I presume?

There was no winner there. You couldn't believe any of them. This is why independents will have a huge day in who forms the next government.

BarryD2

Will probably vote Labour No1 but don't particularly like Howlin, so can't vote for him in poll. What on earth was he thinking of last night when he interjected to save Mary Lou fully answering the hard questions put to her by Martin?? He knows the Shinners have been gunning to get the Labour vote and yet he saved her skin in that moment. Fool..........

keano_afc

Lots of reaction saying MLM was the big winner.

They'll be in for a shock when they actually watch the debate.

Hamsterchops

keano_afc wrote: »

Lots of reaction saying MLM was the big winner.

They'll be in for a shock when they actually watch the debate.

Well exactly, what was so good about her?

I don't get it.

BarryD2

AmberGold wrote: »

Boyd Barrett stand out winner, rest were weak.

Nothing to lose, except his seat which is apparently quite likely.

FrancieBrady

keano_afc wrote: »

Lots of reaction saying MLM was the big winner.

They'll be in for a shock when they actually watch the debate.

RTE panelists gave it to her 3-1 on S O'R. The 'one', Fionnan Sheehan saying that while Boyd Barrett won going by audience reaction it was really MLM's night.

facehugger99

Midlife crisis man wrote: »

Every one of my friends put effort in bust their asses off. They are the retail workers, the hospitality workers, the call centre operators, the creche childminders, the thankless heroes of this country. They are the lost generation who have been busting their asses to make ends meet since coming out of college in '08 with noting but bleakness in front of them and are still feeling the effects of the economy a decade later

Your friends have college degrees, are qualified almost 12 years and work minimum-wage jobs in retail and call centers in a time of full employment?

What kinds of degrees did they get?

Idbatterim

pjohnson wrote: »

So will you be voting green instead of your beloved FG?

Both. In the hopes that Dublin finally gets something that resembles a non third world public transport system !

ELM327

facehugger99 wrote: »

Your friends have college degrees, are qualified almost 12 years and work minimum-wage jobs in retail and call centers in a time of full employment?

What kinds of degrees did they get?

Art history probably

This is it

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Another observation, FF only published their Manifesto publicly an hour and a half before the debate so no other party could critique it.

Was that the whole thing or just the financial side? Whichever it was MM looked silly when he was pulled up on it.

percy212

A more realistic number is 30k - when you use median, although people love to argue about methods....

Reference: https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/opinion-64-of-workers-in-ireland-earn-less-than-the-average-salary-4562071-Apr2019/

ELM327 wrote: »

Art history probably

Wompa1

Having watched a bunch of MLM interviews including with hostile British interviewers, I thought she was very capable but after last night's debate, I thought she seemed pretty toothless.

I felt spending most of her answer time just repeating what the problems are was pretty insulting the intelligence of people watching. RBB had some strong moments, so much so that I went and got the party manifesto but after reading it, I haven't a chance to voting for them.

Star performer was Claire Byrne. She did an excellent job.

keano_afc

Wompa1 wrote: »

Having watched a bunch of MLM interviews including with hostile British interviewers, I thought she was very capable but after last night's debate, I thought she seemed pretty toothless.

I felt spending most of her answer time just repeating what the problems are was pretty insulting the intelligence of people watching. RBB had some strong moments, so much so that I went and got the party manifesto but after reading it, I haven't a chance to voting for them.

Star performer was Claire Byrne. She did an excellent job.

Yeah she really was excellent. Any time I've seen her moderate a debate she's done a great job.