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RTE Claire Byrne live - 7 leader debate, NUI Galway ...

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    #92
    Nollog
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    Roisin Shorthall was incredibly weak anyway.


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    #93
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Both. In the hopes that Dublin finally gets something that resembles a non third world public transport system !

    The Greens want a light rail system for Cork and Galway, no mention of Dublin investment from what I can see. But no doubt they’ll want a congestion charge for Dublin...despite public transport being at breaking point.


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    #94
    Dravokivich
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    Peanut2011 wrote: »
    You can't constantly go back to arguments of North. Its separate country and it has different challenges. While we all would like to pretend they are not, they are... it's simple.

    In terms of corporation tax, she was right. She never said they did not make any other payments.

    Why not? Dont they consider themselves as 1 party across both regions?


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    #95
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    keano_afc wrote: »
    Yeah she really was excellent. Any time I've seen her moderate a debate she's done a great job.

    I think she is very good and was excellent yesterday but there is one disaster in her cv. Maria Steen ran circles around her in abortion debate.

    I thought Boyd Barrett was good. I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only candidate on the list but he was good. MM and LV were fine, Mary Lou's shouting,slogans and barbs don't do it for me but if you like that kind of style she was good. The rest were meh.

    The most important observation: I loved Leo's suit and Shorthall looked like mother of the bride who ended in wrong venue.


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    #96
    Wompa1
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    /\/ollog wrote: »
    Roisin Shorthall was incredibly weak anyway.

    By far the weakest performer last night. She looked completely lost.
    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    The Greens want a light rail system for Cork and Galway, no mention of Dublin investment from what I can see. But no doubt they’ll want a congestion charge for Dublin...despite public transport being at breaking point.

    He talked a lot about issues specific to Galway which I guess could play well to the small audience at the venue but most people watching home likely couldn't give a toss.


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    #97
    keano_afc
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    I think she is very good and was excellent yesterday but there is one disaster in her cv. Maria Steen ran circles around her in abortion debate.

    No shame in that, Steen is pretty formidable.


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    #98
    weldoninhio
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    Midlife crisis man wrote: »
    Leo saying the average working salary is €47,000. Is this figure skewed? I make nowhere near that, my friends make nowhere near that, my parents make nowhere near. I'm fact, I don't know anyone who makes +- that for it to be the average salary.

    I'm not on it yet, but am hopeful of getting there and beyond in a few years. Most of my friends would be on that or more.


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    #99
    maccored
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    This is it wrote: »
    Leo smashed her when she said the banks don't pay a penny, called her out and all she could do was repeat her misinformation, then Michael hit her with the pension age up north. I thought she was poor enough myself, loud but that's about it, not that any of the rest did that much better.

    you mean the time she mentioned banks paying no corporate tax and leo avoided the question by saying they paid other tax? The pointthat MLMD was making remains - they pay no corporate tax. no amount of dancing from foot to foot by leo was going to win that one for him. Now I know where posters on here get their whataboutery from because leo provided a masterclass on that question.


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    #100
    meeeeh
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    maccored wrote: »
    you mean the time she mentioned banks paying no corporate tax and leo avoided the question by saying they paid other tax? The pointthat MLMD was making remains - they pay no corporate tax. no amount of dancing from foot to foot by leo was going to win that one for him. Now I know where posters on here get their whataboutery from because leo provided a masterclass on that question.

    Every company can offset losses against corporate taxes, it's not just banks who do that. The problem is that banks were bailed out but I think it would be hugely unfair if the law changed for everyone just because of some populist bs.


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    #101
    is_that_so
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    maccored wrote: »
    you mean the time she mentioned banks paying no corporate tax and leo avoided the question by saying they paid other tax? The pointthat MLMD was making remains - they pay no corporate tax. no amount of dancing from foot to foot by leo was going to win that one for him. Now I know where posters on here get their whataboutery from because leo provided a masterclass on that question.
    He's right. They pay €150m in bank levies. They also pay a stack on dividends - €330m or so from AIB profits last year. Incidentally SF have no actual objection to it, just the length of time and the proportion they can legally offset against losses.


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    #102
    is_that_so
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    Every company can offset losses against corporate taxes, it's not just banks who do that. The problem is that banks were bailed out but I think it would be hugely unfair if the law changed for everyone just because of some populist bs.
    There was a cumulative trading loss of about €100bn in banking and insurance in 2016. Some of that is going to be on the books for quite a while .


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    #103
    BarryD2
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    RTE panelists gave it to her 3-1 on S O'R. The 'one', Fionnan Sheehan saying that while Boyd Barrett won going by audience reaction it was really MLM's night.

    Journalists like upping the ante, creating a story. Gives them stuff to go about.

    Fully expect SF to do more or less as last local and Euro elections. Why would you vote for a party that has sat on it's hands for the past three years up north and left nationalists without a voice at Westminster?

    You judge a party by what it does when it can, not what it waffles on about. Which is why the Greens and Labour have both taken hits over the years.


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    #104
    ELM327
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Why not? Dont they consider themselves as 1 party across both regions?
    That wouldnt align with their populist nonsense


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    #105
    Geuze
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    Midlife crisis man wrote: »
    Leo saying the average working salary is €47,000. Is this figure skewed? I make nowhere near that, my friends make nowhere near that, my parents make nowhere near. I'm fact, I don't know anyone who makes +- that for it to be the average salary.


    That is the average for full-time workers.

    Most workers I know make more.

    I am surrounded by people on 84k - 90k at work.


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    #106
    Geuze
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    Midlife crisis man wrote: »
    Leo saying the average working salary is €47,000. Is this figure skewed? I make nowhere near that, my friends make nowhere near that, my parents make nowhere near. I'm fact, I don't know anyone who makes +- that for it to be the average salary.

    Yes, as it's a mean, it is skewed by high earnings.

    Also note that it includes bonuses, overtime, etc.

    The 47k is not average household incomes.


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    #107
    Nollog
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    He's right. They pay €150m in bank levies. They also pay a stack on dividends - €330m or so from AIB profits last year. Incidentally SF have no actual objection to it, just the length of time and the proportion they can legally offset against losses.

    I had to laugh at leo saying banks shouldn't pay tax because as an investor they paid us dividend on their earnings like any stock option would.


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    #108
    is_that_so
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    /\/ollog wrote: »
    I had to laugh at leo saying banks shouldn't pay tax because as an investor they paid us dividend on their earnings like any stock option would.
    Paschal would have explained it way better! They don't pay tax because they are legally entitled to defer, based on accrued losses. Any more income from banks will come through extra levies until they are out of the exemption period and that was felt to be the best call when it was implemented.


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    #109
    meeeeh
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Paschal would have explained it way better! They don't pay tax because they are legally entitled to defer, based on accrued losses. Any more income from banks will come through extra levies until they are out of the exemption period and that was felt to be the best call when it was implemented.

    It would be drowned in noise of debate. Anyway is it too much to expect from voters to inform themselves about actual reasons why?

    I guess it's easier to cheer to populist statements without thinking.


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    #110
    baldbear
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    Cant believe leo is getting 27% on a boards poll.


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    #111
    Peanut2011
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    KaneToad wrote: »
    If no one matches your ideology, you're in the minority, but you have the option to run for election yourself if you believe you're not an outlier.

    Once you've identified "your" party, hopefully, they will have at least one candidate who is competent and has integrity. If not, consider joining the party and becoming the candidate yourself.

    In ideal world that would be how this works, however tell me how many smart working people can afford to take time off to run in the election and how many less can afford the cost of doing this?

    This is the reason the political landscape has not changed here in decades!

    So no, I am forced to choose someone and in a lot if cases you choose the least offensive to you base on your beliefs.


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    #112
    ELM327
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    Geuze wrote: »
    That is the average for full-time workers.

    Most workers I know make more.

    I am surrounded by people on 84k - 90k at work.
    Careful, you'll be lynched by the socialist mob with that salary!


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    #113
    Peanut2011
    Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Peanut2011


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Why not? Dont they consider themselves as 1 party across both regions?

    They do but until it's one country and one governance, two things are not the same. But then again what else would FF or FG pick on??


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    #114
    padd b1975
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    AmberGold wrote: »
    Boyd Barrett stand out winner, rest were weak.

    Yeah, his 'council houses for doctors' policy came across as really thought out and practical.


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    #115
    meeeeh
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    Median salary is lower and I saw somewhere 60% people in Ireland earn below average.


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    #116
    maccored
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    Every company can offset losses against corporate taxes, it's not just banks who do that. The problem is that banks were bailed out but I think it would be hugely unfair if the law changed for everyone just because of some populist bs.

    the actual point being made though is they dont pay any corporate tax. thats fact, not 'populist bs'. Banks making losses IS bs.


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    #117
    rob316
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    Median salary is lower and I saw somewhere 60% people in Ireland earn below average.

    And thats the truth too, most of us are middling between 30-45k


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    #118
    Dravokivich
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    Peanut2011 wrote: »
    They do but until it's one country and one governance, two things are not the same. But then again what else would FF or FG pick on??

    Well if they claim to be one in the same, they really can't contest a policy in one region, they are supportive of in another. It's not just a matter of the Pension Age that's being challenged. It's what does a Party stand for, if they promote opposing policies.


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    #119
    marieholmfan
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Yeah, his 'council houses for doctors' policy came across as really thought out and practical.
    Yes it's a sensible policy followed in most successful European countries.


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    #120
    thegetawaycar
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    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Yes it's a sensible policy followed in most successful European countries.

    Shocking to believe those that provide a social benefit should get a social house.


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    #121
    meeeeh
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    thegetawaycar wrote: »
    Shocking to believe those that provide a social benefit should get a social house.

    They are not Mother Teresa, they are paid for social benefit as every other worker who provides social benefits.

    I actually don't mind affordable housing schemes for whomever once rents are determined by income. It enables mixed neighbourhoods and less antisocial behaviour.


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