RTE Claire Byrne live - 7 leader debate, NUI Galway ...

crossman47

meeeeh wrote: »

Median salary is lower and I saw somewhere 60% people in Ireland earn below average.

Well of course at least 50% are likely to be below average; thats the essence of an average.

meeeeh

crossman47 wrote: »

Well of course at least 50% are likely to be below average; thats the essence of an average.

You might want to check your maths there.

If one person is paid 1,000,000 and 100 people are paid 20 000, only one will be above average and 100 will be bellow.

crossman47

meeeeh wrote: »

You might want to check your maths there.

Why? if you use the median, exactly 50% will be below average. if you use the mean, then it is likely (when talking about salaries) at least 50% will be below average.

Hamsterchops

I wonder how she'd really get on as Taoiseach?
I think she'd be totally out of her depth ...

Great soundbites, very convincing orator, always talking in large brush strokes & stating the obvious for public appeal (and guaranteed to get a clap), says what might be popular with "their demographic", to suck in the poor & gullible

More clapping please, but don't mention the Special Criminal Court

It's all very calculated, but very transparent, and shallow, yet obviously appealing to ............

meeeeh

crossman47 wrote: »

Why? if you use the median, exactly 50% will be below average. if you use the mean, then it is likely (when talking about salaries) at least 50% will be below average.

The point is that in country with larger earnings discrepancy mean won't tell you much about what income most people live on.

Hamsterchops

*THIS POLL CLOSES @ 10:30 TONIGHT :eek:

(Tonight is Wednesday night)

Can anyone overtake her today?

blanch152

Hamsterchops wrote: »

*THIS POLL CLOSES @ 10:30 TONIGHT :eek:

(Tonight is Wednesday night)

Can anyone overtake her today?

The opinion polls on these boards are useless at one level and interesting at another.

They are useless because the people using boards are not representative of people in the wider community.

They are interesting because they tell us a lot about the political preferences of boards users and hence the relative bias that discussions will show. To date, the main conclusion from the polls would be that there is a strong bias in favour of Sinn Fein that is not reflected in the national opinion polls. Why this would be the case is the interesting question.

marieholmfan

blanch152 wrote: »

The opinion polls on these boards are useless at one level and interesting at another.

They are useless because the people using boards are not representative of people in the wider community.

They are interesting because they tell us a lot about the political preferences of boards users and hence the relative bias that discussions will show. To date, the main conclusion from the polls would be that there is a strong bias in favour of Sinn Fein that is not reflected in the national opinion polls. Why this would be the case is the interesting question.

I'd suspect boards.ie users might be smarter than average and that would make them support Sinn Fein.

is_that_so

blanch152 wrote: »

The opinion polls on these boards are useless at one level and interesting at another.

They are useless because the people using boards are not representative of people in the wider community.

They are interesting because they tell us a lot about the political preferences of boards users and hence the relative bias that discussions will show. To date, the main conclusion from the polls would be that there is a strong bias in favour of Sinn Fein that is not reflected in the national opinion polls. Why this would be the case is the interesting question.

Yeah, what you find with online polls is that the word spreads and like-minded people in larger numbers tend to vote. More "mainstream" forums tend to have a lot more leftists or those with an anti-government stance so votes are commonly skewed.

FrancieBrady

I'm amazed anybody takes these polls seriously when you don't have a notion how many are voting. Gas, that people are getting upset about them.
I haven't even bothered to vote in this one and generally don't.

marieholmfan

meeeeh wrote: »

They are not Mother Teresa, they are paid for social benefit as every other worker who provides social benefits.

I actually don't mind affordable housing schemes for whomever once rents are determined by income. It enables mixed neighbourhoods and less antisocial behaviour.

It's an objectively good idea. Fine Gael are trying to accomplish the flipside right now but their ideological obsession with market solutions is making it impossible.


Capitalism only works in theory.
Socialism only works in practise.

meeeeh

marieholmfan wrote: »

Capitalism only works in theory.
Socialism only works in practise.

Hahahahaha

I lived in a country where socialism was supposed to be practiced. It doesn't work. It's a nonsense statement and for example Austria where model of publicly provided housing is nowhere near being socialist country. Similarly in Germany CDU probably spent more time in power than FF in Ireland. They are fiscally conservative, capitalist countries who found the way to provide housing in sustainable way.

statesaver

Idbatterim wrote: »

Wouldn’t rate any of them. But I hope the greens can get into government...

Look at the fcuking mess they made of the country the last time.

How the Greens get a free pass on been part of a government that destroyed the country is beyond me.

ELM327

marieholmfan wrote: »

It's an objectively good idea. Fine Gael are trying to accomplish the flipside right now but their ideological obsession with market solutions is making it impossible.


Capitalism only works in theory.
Socialism only works in practise.

God some of the nonsense you come out with is quite frankly a damning indictment of the education system.


Give me one example of a "socialism working in practice"

marieholmfan

ELM327 wrote: »

God some of the nonsense you come out with is quite frankly a damning indictment of the education system.


Give me one example of a "socialism working in practice"

National Health Service in UK
Red Army 1945

marieholmfan

meeeeh wrote: »

Hahahahaha

I lived in a country where socialism was supposed to be practiced. It doesn't work. It's a nonsense statement and for example Austria where model of publicly provided housing is nowhere near being socialist country. Similarly in Germany CDU probably spent more time in power than FF in Ireland. They are fiscally conservative, capitalist countries who found the way to provide housing in sustainable way.

What country is that if you don't mind my asking.

SafeSurfer

marieholmfan wrote: »

National Health Service in UK
Red Army 1945

The Red Army would not have got to Berlin without the trucks, jeeps and locomotives produced by American capitalism. Capitalist country’s war production was far superior to socialist or national socialist economies during the war.

ELM327

marieholmfan wrote: »

National Health Service in UK
Red Army 1945

UK is not a socialist country


Red Army... well... if you have to go to Russia for examples of what's working, then you've clearly got none!

marieholmfan

ELM327 wrote: »

UK is not a socialist country


Red Army... well... if you have to go to Russia for examples of what's working, then you've clearly got none!

The UK was socialist when they established the national health service.

The Red Army conquered Berlin. I know you're sad that the Socialists stopped capitalism at Sheremetyevo but they did.

marieholmfan

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The Red Army would not have got to Berlin without the trucks, jeeps and locomotives produced by American capitalism. Capitalist country’s war production was far superior to socialist or national socialist economies during the war.

Is it your contention that Germany was not capitalist during the second world war?

Grab All Association

Interesting snippet here from Tipp FM

TippFM wrote:

However Fianna Fáil candidate Sandra Farrell says she would have no qualms about having Michael Lowry supporting the next Government.

She says her party needs to elect two TDs in Tipperary if they’re to form the 33rd Dáil.

Speaking on Tipp Today she did however rule out any involvement with Sinn Féin.

Fine Gael have the common sense to try distance themselves as far away from Lowry as they possibly can.

He propped up and kept Fianna Fáil in power up to and during the bailout

suicide_circus

Grab All Association wrote: »

Interesting snippet here from Tipp FM



Fine Gael have the common sense to try distance themselves as far away from Lowry as they possibly can.

He propped up and kept Fianna F in power up to and during the bailout

what is it that Lowry does for the people of Tipp that makes them not care about the rampant corruption?

Hamsterchops

So what does this poll tell us?

I think we can safely say that Mary Lou is soooo far ahead in this poll for her lead to be unassailable, she's won, and by a massive margin!

This poll doesn't close untill 10:30 tonight, but is it a total waste of time in relation to reality? I get the impression that Sinn Fein always win (or do very well) in election polls on Boards.ie, so maybe there's no point in starting one in the first place ...

I will come back to this poll on the 9th of February just to see how it compares to reality. Maybe we'll all wake up on the 9th and Mary Lou will indeed be our new Taoiseach :cool:

FrancieBrady

Hamsterchops wrote: »

So what does this poll tell us?

I think we can safely say that Mary Lou is soooo far ahead in this poll as to be unassailable, she's won, and by a massive margin!

This poll doesn't close untill 10:30 tonight, but is it a total waste of time in relation to reality? I get the impression that Sinn Fein always win (or do very well) in election polls on Boards.ie, so maybe there's no point in starting one in the first place ...

I will come back to this poll on the 9th of February just to see how it compares to reality. Maybe we'll all wake up in the 9th and Mary Lou will indeed be our new Taoiseach :cool:

The poll asked 'who won the debate'.
Why would what happens on the 9th of Feb change that? It's a fairly widely held view across all platforms from RTE to here to Twitter etc.

Are you perhaps getting a tad over upset that she won?

Hamsterchops

Yes!

I didn't think she was that great at all.

SafeSurfer

marieholmfan wrote: »

Is it your contention that Germany was not capitalist during the second world war?

Is it your contention that it was? Given that you have used the creation of the NHS as a socialist example?

marieholmfan

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Is it your contention that it was? Given that you have used the creation of the NHS as a socialist example?

Avoiding the question. Clearly a fascist sympathiser. Naturally FG.

For Forks Sake

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Maybe we'll all wake up on the 9th and Mary Lou will indeed be our new Taoiseach :cool:

Given that SF are only standing 43 candidates, even with a 100% hit rate, that's not very likely.