2020 Irish EV sales

Black_Knight

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

The statistics are a little misleading. SIMI are classifying mild-hybrid vehicles as regular hybrids. So diesel cars with a mild hybrid setup become 'diesel electric' vehicles. 61 of those 62 are Kia Sportage mild hybrids. The other is a Tucson mild hybrid.

Same with 'petrol electric', most of the growth are real hybrid cars but I see some mild hybrids there too. 70 Ford Puma's, I'm not sure if the 12 Skoda Superb's are mild hybrids or just mislabelled plug-in's (which can happen).

This is only going to get worse as more mild-hybrids become available throughout the year (Ford Fiesta, Focus and Kuga, VW Golf, a fair few Audis). The UK stats have them as a separate category.

Yeah, it's a pity they don't split it out, though mild hybrid or classic hybrid, they just don't cut it these days. I wouldn't think those buying classic hybrids in 2020 are doing so as a means to getting more electric cars on the road. IMO, they're buying them because 1) it's how the car they want is spec'd so they've no say in the matter, 2) cheaper running costs vs a similar petrol only car.

kanuseeme wrote: »

2020 2019

Petrol Electric 4,241 2,206 +92.25%

Electric 898 799 +12.39%

Plug-In Hybrid 561 301 +86.38%

Diesel/Electric 62 0

Who is making the diesel hybrids?

Diesel 15,968 13,120 -17.84%
Petrol 13,096 12,281 -6.22%

Had a look at combining both Petrol + Petrol Electric (box ticking exercise IMO), since most cars are adding some sort of battery to their drivetrain, while not exactly give much/any usable electric range. Mild hybrids as mentioned for example. Sales are only up 7.96% on 2019.

Seems plug ins and full electrics have had decent growth compared to other fuel types/setups.

RedorDead

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Land Rover for one.

Incorrect.

Kia Sportage 67 YTD
Hyundai Tucson 1 YTD

ei9go

timsey tiger wrote: »

Anybody know what's up with the zoe sales. Have deliveries of the new model started or are people waiting for these?

My dealer can't do a deal for a ZE50 with me because he claims that he is waiting on discount codes and possible delivery dates from Renault. I have called many times since the first of January.

PaulRyan97

UK sales for comparison.

liamog

Pretty similar then, 2.7% market share in the uk vs 2.88% here.

PaulRyan97

liamog wrote: »

Pretty similar then, 2.7% market share in the uk vs 2.88% here.

Yes but the important point is that their sales tripled from January 2019, while ours only grew 12%, what accounts for that?

Black_Knight

liamog wrote: »

Pretty similar then, 2.7% market share in the uk vs 2.88% here.

UK BEV sales having a massive increase compared to jan last year though. 3 times as many this Jan, compared to relatively the same uptake here in Ireland.

@PaulRyan97, Where did you get that screengrab?

quokula

Black_Knight wrote: »

UK BEV sales having a massive increase compared to jan last year though. 3 times as many this Jan, compared to relatively the same uptake here in Ireland.

@PaulRyan97, Where did you get that screengrab?

https://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics/

The jump happened in the middle of 2019, rather than specifically this month.

Looks like it coincided with Tesla Model 3 availability, with that car making up the fast majority of BEV sales since then.

PaulRyan97

Black_Knight wrote: »

@PaulRyan97, Where did you get that screengrab?

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

PaulRyan97

Any information on whether this months sales are following the same trends as January's, with just a marginal increase?

Black_Knight

401 EV sales in Feb 2020
325 EV sales in Feb 2019

Leaf in first place again, with Kona, M3 and Ioniq following. Kia still haven't got their act together, selling just 94 Souls and 84 eNiros.

The Model 3 is propping up those numbers big time (203 sold this Feb vs 0 last year as it wasn't available). Leaf down ~10%, and Kona down ~40% from this time last year.

unkel

Black_Knight wrote: »

Kona down ~40% from this time last year.

As expected. A year ago, Kona was the only long range EV this side of a near €100k Tesla Model S

Now there are eSoul, eNiro, Tesla Model 3, all better value for money than Kona EV. Dare I say even the L62 is better value if you can get it at bottom dollar price that some people got

mp3guy

unkel wrote: »

As expected. A year ago, Kona was the only long range EV this side of a near €100k Tesla Model S

Now there are eSoul, eNiro, Tesla Model 3, all better value for money than Kona EV. Dare I say even the L62 is better value if you can get it at bottom dollar price that some people got

Only 3 Konas left in the country (allegedly) when I bought in January.

Black_Knight

mp3guy wrote: »

Only 3 Konas left in the country (allegedly) when I bought in January.

There's always a short supply according to dealers. Every Hyundai dealer told me their ioniq was the last in the country when I was buying last year.

unkel

Looks like Hyundai (and others) have been successfully milking it. Nothing wrong with that, businesses ought to maximise profits. Just wish we had more choice and there was more competition...

mp3guy

Black_Knight wrote: »

There's always a short supply according to dealers. Every Hyundai dealer told me their ioniq was the last in the country when I was buying last year.

That was my first reaction but there was a legitimate shortage in the UK last year. This was in contrast to Nissan who were telling me there were plenty of Leafs to go around.

bonoman66

unkel wrote: »

Looks like Hyundai (and others) have been successfully milking it. Nothing wrong with that, businesses ought to maximise profits. Just wish we had more choice and there was more competition...

+1 Big Time !

Black_Knight

Tough month given the circumstances, just 50 EVs sold in April. A nice 14% of the cars sold in April though.

Black_Knight

Kia having their moment in the sun. Why they didn't try sell the eNiro when it came out first I don't know.

Ioniq performing at it should do, poorly. Leaf sales way down too as similar sized cars come online.

RedorDead

Deleted User wrote: »

That's mad seeing any EV sell more than any ICE car for any month lol.

I would say the id.3 accounts for all dealer cars though probably not all sold yet ?

Still mad to think the id.3 is higher in one month than the model 3 for the whole year!

Thats just September sales! Model 3 on 638 YTD.

Sales here:

the_amazing_raisin

Yikes, not looking too good for the Kona, I wonder what's going on there?
I'm guessing that includes the Kona Hybrid, I wonder are people holding out for a PHEV or something

The Leaf is way down too, probably because there's a lot more competition in the market now

JPA

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Yikes, not looking too good for the Kona, I wonder what's going on there?
I'm guessing that includes the Kona Hybrid, I wonder are people holding out for a PHEV or something

The Leaf is way down too, probably because there's a lot more competition in the market now

What happened to Kona is No 4 on the list. Choosing between them is a no brainer.

the_amazing_raisin

JPA wrote: »

What happened to Kona is No 4 on the list. Choosing between them is a no brainer.

Fair point, never really understood the attraction of the Kona against the E-Niro, other than the fact that you almost can't get an E-Niro

the_amazing_raisin

RedorDead wrote: »

Thats just September sales! Model 3 on 638 YTD.

Sales here:

That can't be all the car sales in Ireland in 2020.

I mean, did Citroen or Dacia not sell anything?
I wouldn't blame anyone for not buying them, but they must have sold a few cars right?

TitianGerm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

That can't be all the car sales in Ireland in 2020.

I mean, did Citroen or Dacia not sell anything?
I wouldn't blame anyone for not buying them, but they must have sold a few cars right?

Filtered by electric cars I'd imagine?

eagerv

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Yikes, not looking too good for the Kona, I wonder what's going on there?
I'm guessing that includes the Kona Hybrid, I wonder are people holding out for a PHEV or something

The Leaf is way down too, probably because there's a lot more competition in the market now

Competition is a great thing.. Not helped by the OTR price of €42500 for the slightly updated model as I saw in Waterford recently..

Black_Knight

Stolen from the Chademo vs CCS thread... beepbeep.ie went down as soon as I went to it.

liamog wrote: »

This months numbers unsurprisingly a lot of ID.3's registered.
CCS is now at 5543
CHAdeMO at 5575.

Very close to calling this a win for ELM327

Make|Model|New|Used
AUDI|E-TRON|13|1
BMW|I3|8|
HYUNDAI|IONIQ|6|1
|KONA|57|
JAGUAR|I-PACE||3
KIA|NIRO|52|
|SOUL|6|1
MERCEDES-BENZ|E CLASS||1
MG|UNIDENTIFIED||2
MINI|MINI CLUBMAN|13|
|MINI HATCH|8|
NISSAN|LEAF|51|31
OPEL|CORSA|3|
PEUGEOT|208|9|
|2008|1|
PORSCHE|OTHER PORSCHE||1
|TAYCAN|3|
RENAULT|ZOE|15|1
SMART|FORTWO||2
TESLA|MODEL 3|162|
|MODEL S|8|7
|MODEL X|6|
VOLKSWAGEN|E GOLF|5|
|ID|238|
Grand Total||664|51

How the mighty have fallen. Nissan Leaf was always #1. 5th place for August it seems.

Could easily be 4th most popular EV manufacturer by the end of the year. Kia are right behind them. VW could surpass them too if ID3 sales are still ramping up.

Sheep Shagger

Jesus - 238 ID3s in a month, was expecting a lot but...

Black_Knight

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Jesus - 238 ID3s in a month, was expecting a lot but...

Tis what happens when a big launch car gets delivered in 1 big bang. Tesla M3 could of been similar, but deliveries on those spread over months.

PaulRyan97

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lrBzvPGDAdxlDjV7ATNCCUASakuI8DGiHEqcBpINbBQ/edit?usp=sharing

Here's a sheet I've been keeping updated for a year or so now to track trends.

timsey tiger

TitianGerm wrote: »

Filtered by electric cars I'd imagine?

Just looking at the filters, there is an option for steam under engine type. :eek:

the_amazing_raisin

TitianGerm wrote: »

Filtered by electric cars I'd imagine?

I guess so, must include hybrids as well since I'm fairly sure Ford have no EVs yet

Mickeroo

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I guess so, must include hybrids as well since I'm fairly sure Ford have no EVs yet

I don't see Ford in that list. I'm pretty sure the list is full EVs only going by the models listed. Though I have no idea what a nissan Evalia is.

the_amazing_raisin

timsey tiger wrote: »

Just looking at the filters, there is an option for steam under engine type. :eek:

I wonder how that fares on the emissions test
Technically the 'engine' is powered by steam, the firebox is part of the heating system

quokula

TitianGerm wrote: »

Filtered by electric cars I'd imagine?

Looks like it, though as far as I'm aware there's no such thing as an electric Mini Clubman.

TitianGerm

quokula wrote: »

Looks like it, though as far as I'm aware there's no such thing as an electric Mini Clubman.

There's a hybrid Clubman so maybe that?

https://www.donohoemini.ie/used-cars/MINI/Countryman/All-4/202003118270478/

innrain

Tesla Model 3 got the lead as the most sold EV for the year so far, equating the total number EVs sold in 2017. Also overtook BMW 5 series by 19 units
Interesting Kona recovered in September selling 57 units vs 20 in Sept 2019. I wonder if the end of BIK is pushing this.

liamog

Mod Note: Moved some general sales discussion from ID.3 thread

ELM327

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I wonder how that fares on the emissions test
Technically the 'engine' is powered by steam, the firebox is part of the heating system

Self charging steam engine

Mr Q

ELM327 wrote: »

Self charging steam engine

Is that you Toyota?

the_amazing_raisin

ELM327 wrote: »

Self charging steam engine

Right, get the powerpoint slides, we'll sell it to Toyota as a zero emission self charging engine :D:D

timsey tiger

Mr Q wrote: »

Is that you Toyota?

Well I guess the mirea does exhaust water so maybe it is for "fool cell" cars.

garo

September 2020 Uk sales out today Big drops everywhere except for EVs.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/


BEVs remain fastest growing category Y-on-Y but petrol MildHEVs see big growth in Sep.

liamog

Mod Note: Moved BIK talk to here

cannco253

Spotted a 202 Porsche Taycan on the prom in Galway this lunchtime (one of the 3 sold in September I guess?), first time I've seen one on the road.

Between it and the ID.3's and Teslas, you really are starting to see more EVs out and about.

ELM327

I saw my first one too on the m3.
They are nice in presence, very like the panamera - which is quite marmite but I love - and they have great presence

PaulRyan97

https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

ID.3 is the best selling car for the month of October.

October EV sales (10.97% market share):
Rank Make Model 2020 Units 2019 Units % Change 2020 % Share 2019 % Share
1 VOLKSWAGEN ID 94 0 - 37.01 0
2 TESLA MODEL 3 37 23 60.87 14.57 9.35
3 KIA NIRO 33 4 725 12.99 1.63
4 MINI MINI HATCH 17 0 - 6.69 0
5 NISSAN LEAF 16 54 -70.37 6.3 21.95
6 RENAULT ZOE 14 15 -6.67 5.51 6.1
7 HYUNDAI KONA 9 79 -88.61 3.54 32.11
8 AUDI E-TRON 8 5 60 3.15 2.03
9 KIA SOUL 5 8 -37.5 1.97 3.25
10 PEUGEOT 208 4 0 - 1.57 0
11 TESLA MODEL S 4 3 33.33 1.57 1.22
12 OPEL CORSA 3 0 - 1.18 0
13 HONDA HONDA E 3 0 - 1.18 0
14 TESLA MODEL X 3 7 -57.14 1.18 2.85
15 PEUGEOT 2008 2 0 - 0.79 0
16 BMW I3 1 5 -80 0.39 2.03
17 JAGUAR I-PACE 1 3 -66.67 0.39 1.22
- VOLKSWAGEN E GOLF 0 33 - 0 13.41
- HYUNDAI IONIQ 0 6 - 0 2.44
- MERCEDES-BENZ EQC 0 1 - 0 0.41


EV sales YTD (4.45% market share):
Rank Make Model 2020 Units 2019 Units % Change 2020 % Share 2019 % Share
1 TESLA MODEL 3 675 36 1775 17.46 1.12
2 NISSAN LEAF 613 1069 -42.66 15.85 33.2
3 HYUNDAI KONA 495 1048 -52.77 12.8 32.55
4 KIA NIRO 388 72 438.89 10.03 2.24
5 VOLKSWAGEN ID 329 0 - 8.51 0
6 KIA SOUL 224 62 261.29 5.79 1.93
7 RENAULT ZOE 220 261 -15.71 5.69 8.11
8 HYUNDAI IONIQ 195 132 47.73 5.04 4.1
9 VOLKSWAGEN E GOLF 173 240 -27.92 4.47 7.45
10 MINI MINI HATCH 112 0 - 2.9 0
11 AUDI E-TRON 105 42 150 2.72 1.3
12 PEUGEOT 208 83 0 - 2.15 0
13 BMW I3 74 134 -44.78 1.91 4.16
14 OPEL CORSA 71 0 - 1.84 0
15 TESLA MODEL S 31 46 -32.61 0.8 1.43
16 PORSCHE TAYCAN 24 0 - 0.62 0
17 TESLA MODEL X 18 31 -41.94 0.47 0.96
18 JAGUAR I-PACE 12 39 -69.23 0.31 1.21
19 MERCEDES-BENZ EQC 11 4 175 0.28 0.12
20 PEUGEOT 2008 7 0 - 0.18 0
21 HONDA HONDA E 3 0 - 0.08 0
22 NISSAN EVALIA 2 2 0 0.05 0.06
23 RENAULT TWIZY 2 2 0 0.05 0.06

ELM327

Great to see Model 3 top the sales YTD! Wonder will it last!

Leaf and Kona down greatly from '19 as better options now available

Kramer

ELM327 wrote: »

Great to see Model 3 top the sales YTD!

Model S sales being hit by Taycan though - 24 Taycans sold :eek:.

Kramer

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

ID.3 is the best selling car for the month of October.

October EV sales (10.97% market share):
Rank Make Model 2020 Units 2019 Units % Change 2020 % Share 2019 % Share
1 VOLKSWAGEN ID 94 0 - 37.01 0
2 TESLA MODEL 3 37 23 60.87 14.57 9.35
3 KIA NIRO 33 4 725 12.99 1.63
4 MINI MINI HATCH 17 0 - 6.69 0
5 NISSAN LEAF 16 54 -70.37 6.3 21.95
6 RENAULT ZOE 14 15 -6.67 5.51 6.1
7 HYUNDAI KONA 9 79 -88.61 3.54 32.11
8 AUDI E-TRON 8 5 60 3.15 2.03
9 KIA SOUL 5 8 -37.5 1.97 3.25
10 PEUGEOT 208 4 0 - 1.57 0

With such low volumes, dealers pre registering demos could be a large percentage of sales.
I think when I looked previously, there were 40 odd registrations of the new Leaf 62 in a certain month, while there were almost the same number of Nissan dealers.

Either way, it looks like Eamon is implementing his green agenda & this is clear to see in the uptick in EV sales & the rapid improvement in the charging infrastructure.

Glad I voted green now :P.

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