Billie eilish - Major Grammy winner

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SnazzyPig wrote: »

It's not the sales people object to, it's the awards.

According to Wikipedia on the Grammys-

'It is considered one of the four major annual American entertainment awards along with the Academy Awards (film), the Emmy Awards (television), and the Tony Awards (theater and Broadway)'.

Ah here, there's an episode of The Simpsons which aired before she was born where a bell hop gets an award statuette from Homer as a tip, is all excited, sees it's a Grammy, and tosses it away in disappointment.

They're a measure of popularity and sales, they go to the most obvious candidates.

What, she's cheapening Nelly Furtado's legacy? Come on now.

Deebles McBeebles

Maliyah Large Scabby wrote: »

What, she's cheapening Nelly Furtado's legacy? Come on now.

:D:D

Muahahaha

Cienciano wrote: »

On Van Halen selling 50m albums

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/10/17/riaa-best-selling-artists-of-all-time/

George Strait sold 70 million albums. Number 11 of top selling albums of all time. According to Wikipedia, George Strait is considered one of the most influential and popular recording artists of all time. I honestly never heard of him.

Like wise Ive never heard of George Strait either. Would imagine Steve Vai falls into the same category, a massively influential guitarist for other musicians but a lot of people wouldnt know who he is.

Same would go for Rory Gallagher who was named by Jimi Hendrix as the greatest guitarist ever but outside of Ireland a lot of people wouldnt know him. Gallagher sold 30m albums but never really became a part of the mainstream, hes more so a cult hero amongst musicians themselves rather than widely known globally.

Deebles McBeebles

Seeing mention of Nellly Furtado, Grammys and Steve Vai brought this to mind.

GhostofKNugget

Muahahaha wrote: »

Like wise Ive never heard of George Strait either. Would imagine Steve Vai falls into the same category, a massively influential guitarist for other musicians but a lot of people wouldnt know who he is.

Same would go for Rory Gallagher who was named by Jimi Hendrix as the greatest guitarist ever but outside of Ireland a lot of people wouldnt know him. Gallagher sold 30m albums but never really became a part of the mainstream, hes more so a cult hero amongst musicians themselves rather than widely known globally.

I'd wager Rory Gallagher is probably better known and better respected outside of Ireland. He doesn't get much in the way of acknowledgement on this isle.

Deebles McBeebles

GhostofKNugget wrote: »

I'd wager Rory Gallagher is probably better known and better respected outside of Ireland. He doesn't get much in the way of acknowledgement on this isle.

Huge in Germany and surrounding areas apparently. You only hear the name in Ireland when the festival in Ballyshannon is coming up.

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Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Huge in Germany and surrounding areas apparently. You only hear the name in Ireland when the festival in Ballyshannon is coming up.

Try telling a Cork person he's not from Cork you'll hear about him for hours

The Phantom Jipper

Nathan Rapid Snobbishness wrote: »

Funny you say that...



Not twisting anything??? :rolleyes:



Her broad range does not match your broad range ergo she has not got a broad range... She doesn't have to know every single act you deem acceptable for her to know. Why is it soooo important for her to know Van Halen? Why are so many people fixated on that one point?



I haven't given my opinion on her music, on her or her brother, her clothes or looks or style of singing or anything else for that matter. My main gripe with this topic is people giving other people (absolute strangers) crap about what they do and do not know. As if they are some sort of authority on the subject? Is it spite? Envy?

The following doesn't make an ounce of sense, what are you trying to say?

stop appropriating every opinion contrary to yours





Is there a list of artists one should know before getting into the music industry? Regardless of genre of course. She hasn't heard of one band/act and somehow that means she doesn't have intellectual curiosity? How dare she not know of a band which I know of... :rolleyes:



No, no it's not. People are simply saying that it's ok to not know a band or act or somebody famous...

How dare she? That's a somewhat hysterical reading of what I said.

It's ok for her not to have heard of these acts and to have a limited knowledge of other successful musicians. My point is that I find it a bit odd given that these are widely known, to the average punter with a passing interest in music let alone a fellow musician. I would have the same opinion if a young actor was oblivious to the existence of famous actors of yesteryear too. Hopefully it's ok with you that I find it odd.

chrissb8

Awarding Art is a joke in my mind. If you have millions of people who like what you're making and relate to it than that's the reward within itself.

Not some industry "expert" or "critic". Why would I care what any of these people think if I wrote music I relate to for other people to relate to.

But I suppose it's down to success within the mainstream industry.

topper75

Nathan Rapid Snobbishness wrote: »

People like her music, shock horror. Does there have to be some hidden message or the likes. It's catchy to some, the reasoning behind that doesn't need to be justified at any level. It's music.

I'm sorry I can't accept your invite to abandon reason for Billie's sake. I must justify absolutely everything I like.

If you find yourself incapable of explaining to others what is good about something, don't be surprised if they fail to like it. Other than that - we are merely talking hype.

My dismissal of her stuff isn't rooted in negativity. I WANT something new and good. I WANT that groundbreaking artist to shake up the staleness. Been hanging for it for years now.

This isn't it. It's just tooth-whitened funky hairdye pushed fluff that nobody will listen to in 12 months.

Muahahaha

GhostofKNugget wrote: »

I'd wager Rory Gallagher is probably better known and better respected outside of Ireland. He doesn't get much in the way of acknowledgement on this isle.

Id say its kind of a mix of both. Its not that he is unknown abroad or anything but Id say you could ask 100 music fans who he is and the majority wouldnt know who he is and his place in rock history. Gallagher was before my time but any docs Ive seen on him he doesnt seem to like the attention, I get the feeling that fame wasnt really for him. Bloody incredible guitarist though.

evad_lhorg

Rock, metal, rap, dance.... Thats usually where I'd be stuck but her stuff is excellent I have to say. I'm a big fan.

topper75

evad_lhorg wrote: »

her stuff is excellent I have to say.

Excellent, to the point where it is impossible to say how or why it seems on this thread.

sbsquarepants

Cienciano wrote: »

On Van Halen selling 50m albums

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/10/17/riaa-best-selling-artists-of-all-time/

George Strait sold 70 million albums. Number 11 of top selling albums of all time. According to Wikipedia, George Strait is considered one of the most influential and popular recording artists of all time. I honestly never heard of him.

Never heard of him either, there's actually a few people in that list i've never heard of. Who the hell are Alabama? Alan Jackson? Reba McEntire?

And Barbara Streisand has sold considerably more than U2? Wtf!!

And finally, Kenny G - 48 million?? has the world lost it's fúcking mind??:D

Bobblehats

sbsquarepants wrote: »

And finally, Kenny G - 48 million?? has the world lost it's fúcking mind??:D

Muahahaha

Lol Kenny G, not a fan but he is literally Mr.Saxophone, at least in the US anyway

Effects

nullzero wrote: »

I'm hardly obsessed, I was a kid in the 80's and I had at least heard of most musical acts from the previous three decades by the time I was her age.

I doubt that. There would be far too many to have heard most of them.
Maybe mainstream acts.

Bobblehats

Muahahaha wrote: »

Lol Kenny G, not a fan but he is literally Mr.Saxophone, at least in the US anyway

Like a strange hybrid of weird al yankovich and epic sax guy.

That’s got to be a winner and look at him I come on; he’s Jewish. He knows where the smart money is

Woke Hogan

Bobblehats wrote: »

Like a strange hybrid of weird al yankovich and epic sax guy.

That’s got to be a winner and look at him I come on; he’s Jewish. He knows where the smart money is

This has taken a turn.

dubstarr

Bobblehats wrote: »

Like a strange hybrid of weird al yankovich and epic sax guy.

That’s got to be a winner and look at him I come on; he’s Jewish. He knows where the smart money is

Im surprised Weird Al hasnt dione a parody of Billie

pure.conya

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't get it at all. I listened to a couple of her songs to see what the fuss was about but they lack any decent melody I don't really know why they're successful as pop songs. Even though I'm old I still like most kinds of music but this one just doesn't make sense to me.

marketing to the impressionable masses has more to do with her "success"

nullzero

Effects wrote: »

I doubt that. There would be far too many to have heard most of them.
Maybe mainstream acts.

That was the point I was making.

sbsquarepants

Muahahaha wrote: »

Lol Kenny G, not a fan but he is literally Mr.Saxophone, at least in the US anyway

He's some sax player in fairness!

I was always more of a clarence clemens man myself though.

Well or candy dulfer if we're watching videos!

Bobblehats

dubstarr wrote: »

Im surprised Weird Al hasnt dione a parody of Billie

He did?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN2RnjFHmNY

GhostofKNugget

topper75 wrote: »

Excellent, to the point where it is impossible to say how or why it seems on this thread.

Like most good artists, she pilfers from a variety of different genres, to arrive at something distinctively her own. A sort of angsty, post-millennial version of pop music that bends and twists in interesting and unexpected ways.

Is that the type of thing you're after?

Deebles McBeebles

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Well or candy dulfer if we're watching videos!

She's very saxually appealing.

That joke hurt me more than any of you

topper75

GhostofKNugget wrote: »

Like most good artists, she pilfers from a variety of different genres, to arrive at something distinctively her own. A sort of angsty, post-millennial version of pop music that bends and twists in interesting and unexpected ways.

Is that the type of thing you're after?

It doesn't have enough detail to win me over into liking her necessarily.
But that is not the point - I'm an ould fart who didn't care much for the popcharts even when I was young. I just demand that people offer some rational was to why they think she is good/great. When you hear all the mentions but no justification, then it is mere hype: "she's cool because someone suggested to me that I should think she is cool".

You've gone way above anyone else on the thread so far to try and do that. Congrats (or perhaps condolences) on having a mind.

riclad

There,s a lot of country singers who sell millions of albums in america,
who no one has heard of in europe.
biilie eillish is a talented singer and songwriter .
i think she should have got 2 grammy,s
and the other 2 could gone to maybe lizzo, or ariana grande or someone else .
Many singers ignore the grammys as it has a history of ignoring
many black rap singers and black female singers .
And mostly giving awards to white middle of the road groups like u2 .
Giving the 4 grammys to billie was a safe bet as she sold millions of albums,
and she ,s a young female singer, songwriter.
i don,t think she pilfered any thing,
her music is emo/gothic pop .
she is very original and she writes her own songs.

James Brown

Kids today and their 'music' *shakes fist*
I like her and she writes her own stuff.
Beyonce gets all critically acclaimed for her lemonade concept album with a football team of writers. Nice to see an up and comer writing their own.

Woke Hogan

topper75 wrote: »

It doesn't have enough detail to win me over into liking her necessarily.
But that is not the point - I'm an ould fart who didn't care much for the popcharts even when I was young. I just demand that people offer some rational was to why they think she is good/great. When you hear all the mentions but no justification, then it is mere hype: "she's cool because someone suggested to me that I should think she is cool".

You've gone way above anyone else on the thread so far to try and do that. Congrats (or perhaps condolences) on having a mind.

Jesus christ, you come across as incredibly pompous and condescending. And I'm Woke Hogan!

mickthewall

Since she’s 18 now is it okay to say I find her incredibly attractive!!

I’d say she’s some demon in the sack with lyrics such as “bruises on both my knees for you.“

Her Music is unique and pretty dam good

Conall Cernach

mickthewall wrote: »

Since she’s 18 now is it okay to say I find her incredibly attractive!!

I’d say she’s some demon in the sack with lyrics such as “bruises on both my knees for you.“

Her Music is unique and pretty dam good

Are those lyrics from the song that sounds like some 90s video game?


Led Zeppelin received no Grammys during their career together from 68-80. That's how much value the Grammys really have.

Woke Hogan

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Are those lyrics from the song that sounds like some 90s video game?


Led Zeppelin received no Grammys during their career together from 68-80. That's how much value the Grammys really have.

Led Zeppelin were highly overrated. Whats worse is they used to slag off the criminally underrated Black Sabbath, even in person.

Raconteuse

mickthewall wrote: »

lyrics such as “bruises on both my knees for you.“

Jeez and people say she's great for not being all sexualised.

PsychoPete

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Led Zeppelin were highly overrated. Whats worse is they used to slag off the criminally underrated Black Sabbath, even in person.

Paranoid will be released 50 years this year

Woke Hogan

PsychoPete wrote: »

Paranoid will be released 50 years this year

What's your point, exactly?

Blaze420

A walking talking female edgelord, I really don’t get the fascination with her.

Raconteuse

Maliyah Large Scabby wrote: »

Ah here, there's an episode of The Simpsons which aired before she was born where a bell hop gets an award statuette from Homer as a tip, is all excited, sees it's a Grammy, and tosses it away in disappointment.

"Aw... it's a Grammy "

/throws it over the balcony

*voice below* "Hey! Don't throw your garbage down here!"

dubstarr

Raconteuse wrote: »

Jeez and people say she's great for not being all sexualised.

She gets away with it because her arse and tits are not hanging out

nullzero

dubstarr wrote: »

She gets away with it because her arse and tits are not hanging out

Give it time...

Always Tired

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Kids today and their 'music' *shakes fist*
I like her and she writes her own stuff.
Beyonce gets all critically acclaimed for her lemonade concept album with a football team of writers. Nice to see an up and comer writing their own.

Her older brother actually writes a large portion of it and she has teams of producers too - every pop singer big enough to get on the radio does. They try to downplay this aspect of BE's output and push this image of her being a songwriter but anyone who buys that is naive. She's 17 and as you can see in interviews she has the attention span of a housefly and isn't exactly an encyclopedia of musical knowledge, no way she has written that album herself, maybe some of the lyrics but she doesn't do the beats or any instrument parts at all thats all Finneas and ghostwriters/producers.

Always Tired

Always Tired wrote: »

Her older brother actually writes a large portion of it and she has teams of producers too - every pop singer big enough to get on the radio does. They try to downplay this aspect of BE's output and push this image of her being a songwriter but anyone who buys that is naive. She's 17 and as you can see in interviews she has the attention span of a housefly and isn't exactly an encyclopedia of musical knowledge, no way she has written that album herself, maybe some of the lyrics but she doesn't do the beats or any instrument parts at all thats all Finneas and ghostwriters/producers.

Citation needed.

Rothko

Despite what some people here have said, I haven't seen anyone actually get angry at her for not hearing of Van Halen or Run DMC, just surprise. I know that she's young and all but I'm kind of surprised too since she's in the industry. Not that it really matters or anything.

buried

I was under the impression from a few people I know who are into this project that the two of them were just noodling away in their bedroom making tunes, then they made it big, but after looking into it, I see the brother is an established actor already in pay of the entertainment industry. Same goes for their Mum too. This auld shtick I was told of two everyday kids bleeping away in their everyday bedroom background and then making it big on their own back ain't exactly holding up.

perrito caliente

A shadowy cabal of boring producers selling the myth of genius to teenagers with lame music for the purpose of making buckets of cash money.

As the other poster said, all these people are actors.

SnazzyPig

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Led Zeppelin were highly overrated. Whats worse is they used to slag off the criminally underrated Black Sabbath, even in person.

Black Sabbath are not 'criminally underrated' ( I'm a big fan) but the fact that you take offense at young men slagging off their neighbours really tallies wiht your wokeness.

Arghus

buried wrote: »

I was under the impression from a few people I know who are into this project that the two of them were just noodling away in their bedroom making tunes, then they made it big, but after looking into it, I see the brother is an established actor already in pay of the entertainment industry. Same goes for their Mum too. This auld shtick I was told of two everyday kids bleeping away in their everyday bedroom background and then making it big on their own back ain't exactly holding up.

I dunno. The brother has appeared in a few things and the mother has appeared in a few things, I wouldn't have called them madly successful on the acting front. Name one thing her mother was in without Google or Wikipedia.

Seriously, try.

If you look at the credits for the songs themselves her brother is the sole credited producer for every single one, and the two of them are the only credited writers for every song, aside from the ones where he gets the sole credit.

Usually, when it comes to mainstream pop, there's an alphabet soup of numerous names once you look into the credits of the songs. Okay, to be fair, there are a couple of names credited elsewhere - for mastering and "studio personnel" - but it's still a pretty sparse amount. Whatever about the conspiracy theories, people tend to credited for their work, even on big successful pop hits. Look at the credits for anything by anyone and you will usually find plenty of names, but there doesn't really seem to be that many attached in this case.

It's kind of used of somewhat of a negative mark against the music that maybe they may have had one or two more doors open to them, compared to some complete stranger on the street, but surely that's totally irrelevant if you want to discuss the quality of the music, objectively - which I would have assumed was the only conversation worth having?

dubstarr

buried wrote: »

I was under the impression from a few people I know who are into this project that the two of them were just noodling away in their bedroom making tunes, then they made it big, but after looking into it, I see the brother is an established actor already in pay of the entertainment industry. Same goes for their Mum too. This auld shtick I was told of two everyday kids bleeping away in their everyday bedroom background and then making it big on their own back ain't exactly holding up.

She was "found" on SoundCloud.She was releasing music there.

Her family might be actors but they are not exactly the Fondas

Oranage2

After reading this thread and hearing 2 of her songs i have become infatuated with her. She seems to thank her brother a lot so she's not hiding it like someone like Drake (supposedly). After hearing Bad guy I kind of classed her a new teeny bob that's music i was getting too old for.

But the I listened to When the party's over and everything I wanted about 100 times. There's a line 'But my head was under water' and it sounds like she's underwater, I've never heard anything as amazing as that, it was the most inspirational piece of music that I've heard in a long time, genius and so unique.

ps. Can anyone else recommend another song by her?

sbsquarepants

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

She's very saxually appealing.

That joke hurt me more than any of you

Her debut album was called saxuality.

She knows she's hot!

Oranage2 wrote: »

But the I listened to When the party's over and everything I wanted about 100 times. There's a line 'But my head was under water' and it sounds like she's underwater, I've never heard anything as amazing as that, it was the most inspirational piece of music that I've heard in a long time, genius and so unique.

ps. Can anyone else recommend another song by her?

I like "bury a friend" myself.

I agree with Deebles, it's far too early to start throwing genius around, but she is a bit different to other 18 year old teeny boppers.

She could possibly turn out to be this generations Van Halen:D:D