Billie eilish - Major Grammy winner

Corben Dallas

Listened to few of her songs and with exception of Bad Guy(good pop Song) getting nothing from them other that Lo-Fi Lounge with ASMR. Whispery mumbling half-arsery doesn't cut it.

How she got the Bond theme and an arm full of Grammy's is anyone's guess. She's done nothing career wise and they give it to the newly arrived flavour of the month??!!!.
Give me Adele anyday.

If shes a Musician?? ( and the clue here is that its prob the brother/Musician behind it all) and knows nothing about anything before she arrived smacks of lazy crassness. Van Halen I could maybe give her a pass but Run DMC???!!! next she will come out with..."Madonna?... never heard of her..."

She really needs to lay off the zanny's and Mogadon and maybe get some sleep.

suicide_circus

one good song, the rest very meh.

sbsquarepants

Shelby Rough Ghost wrote: »

Van Halen still get a lot of airplay in California, for what it's worth. And anyone who has seen "Back to the Future" will know Huey Lewis.

Run-DMC is the one that surprises me most. She's talked a lot about how important rap and hip hop are to her music — and yet she doesn't know Run-DMC, who are "regarded as one of the most influential acts in the history of hip hop culture" according to Wikipedia.

I'd say very few 18 year olds have seen back to the future!

Run DMC seems a bit weirder, but she's 18 she's likely only really being paying attention to music for 10 years at best, and that would be a very young age to know anyone who isn't on the telly every 5 minutes, which neither Run DMC nor Van Halen have been for decades.

She's probably even heard a few songs, but doesn't know the name of the band.

There is absolutely nothing strange in an 18 year old girl not knowing about these bands, i'd say a good 90 - 95% of them don't. I really don't get why people are so surprised by this - do they not know any 18 year old girls or something!

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sbsquarepants wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing strange in an 18 year old girl not knowing about these bands

Entirely agreed when it comes to an average 18-year-old girl.

But there is something strange when the 18-year-old girl in question happens to be a Grammy-winning recording artist who has spoken numerous times in interviews about how she takes her inspiration from the hip hop tradition. And yet she's never even heard the name Run-DMC. (The interviewer asked her to complete the name Run-DM? and she didn't know the answer was "C.") They are foundational figures in the tradition to which she claims to belong.

GhostofKNugget

Shelby Rough Ghost wrote: »

Entirely agreed when it comes to an average 18-year-old girl.

But there is something strange when the 18-year-old girl in question happens to be a Grammy-winning recording artist who has spoken numerous times in interviews about how she takes her inspiration from the hip hop tradition. And yet she's never even heard the name Run-DMC. (The interviewer asked her to complete the name Run-DM? and she didn't know the answer was "C.") They are foundational figures in the tradition to which she claims to belong.

She was on Jimmy Kimmel and she was asked about pop culture references from 1984 - 17 years before she was born - and she didn't get them. She didn't know Run DMC. She also didn't know The Cosby Show, Mr. T or what a Cabbage Patch Kid was and she hadn't seen Ghostbusters. Gasp...

Big swinging mickey... it's not like you have to study the history of hip-hop in school before you get to say you're influenced by it. She's said her influences are contemporary hip-hop artists like Childish Gambino, Odd Future, Brockhamption, Earl Sweatshirt and Tyler the Creator. She's plenty of time to go back and listen to old-school hip hop and rap.

Feisar

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I'd say very few 18 year olds have seen back to the future!

Run DMC seems a bit weirder, but she's 18 she's likely only really being paying attention to music for 10 years at best, and that would be a very young age to know anyone who isn't on the telly every 5 minutes, which neither Run DMC nor Van Halen have been for decades.

She's probably even heard a few songs, but doesn't know the name of the band.

There is absolutely nothing strange in an 18 year old girl not knowing about these bands, i'd say a good 90 - 95% of them don't. I really don't get why people are so surprised by this - do they not know any 18 year old girls or something!

I said earlier about lads not knowing RATM, same lads haven't seen Lock Stock or Snatch.

Ash.J.Williams

partyguinness wrote: »

It is worth noting that when Michael Jackson wanted some street/rock cred on his Thriller album he roped in Eddie van Halen for the guitar work on 'Beat It'.

Just the solo:) toto did the rest

Deebles McBeebles

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Just the solo:) toto did the rest

I forgot Steve Lukather did the other guitar track on that. Its never spoken of!

The last time anyone paid attention to Run-DMC was when Run Simmons had that show on MTV.

Eilish was still in nappies at the time.

Ash.J.Williams

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I forgot Steve Lukather did the other guitar track on that. Its never spoken of!

what a solo though

Effects

Rothko wrote: »

Don't believe that. A lot of metalheads of that age would be fans of RATM.

Like I said, most people in their 20s. Most people in their 20s these days aren't metalheads. You're deluded if you think they are.

pgj2015

GhostofKNugget wrote: »

She was on Jimmy Kimmel and she was asked about pop culture references from 1984 - 17 years before she was born - and she didn't get them. She didn't know Run DMC. She also didn't know The Cosby Show, Mr. T or what a Cabbage Patch Kid was and she hadn't seen Ghostbusters. Gasp...

Big swinging mickey... it's not like you have to study the history of hip-hop in school before you get to say you're influenced by it. She's said her influences are contemporary hip-hop artists like Childish Gambino, Odd Future, Brockhamption, Earl Sweatshirt and Tyler the Creator. She's plenty of time to go back and listen to old-school hip hop and rap.

HIP HOP? I dont see any hip hop influences when I hear her music, shes as much hip hop as Daniel O Donnell is.

Effects

Raconteuse wrote: »

I think the opposite - bizarre over-hyping.

Yeah, she's way over hyped. That doesn't mean she isn't good.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

A lot of people haven't seen it, because it's quite an old film at this point.

Just because a film is old doesn't mean it isn't good.

Corben Dallas wrote: »

Give me Adele anyday.

Adele, sure she's not even a musician, just a singer!

If shes a Musician?? ( and the clue here is that its prob the brother/Musician behind it all) and knows nothing about anything before she arrived smacks of lazy crassness.

Loads of bands have had incredible production make what they sound a lot better. Why is it such an issue if she does similar.

pgj2015 wrote: »

HIP HOP? I dont see any hip hop influences when I hear her music.

Hip Hop has evolved. Just because she sites it as an influence doesn't mean it has to sound like 80s or 90s Hip Hop.

nullzero

When I first heard of her I was hearing things that made her sound like the sex pistols for this generation and when I heard her music it was just a bit boring to be honest.

That is the problem with so many artists today, the music they're producing isn't very interesting.

Nothing being produced today is genuinely original to the point where you're going to step back in amazement and have your monocle fall into your sherry glass if you're over thirty and in the fuddy duddy bracket like myself.

It would have been nice to have been surprised or preferably shocked by her music, instead it was underwhelming. My opinion of her is that she's another privileged kid making music like nearly every other "star" these days. Music is now only a career for those born with silver spoons in their mouths, maybe that has something to do with how bland it is.

sbsquarepants

Shelby Rough Ghost wrote: »

Entirely agreed when it comes to an average 18-year-old girl.

But there is something strange when the 18-year-old girl in question happens to be a Grammy-winning recording artist who has spoken numerous times in interviews about how she takes her inspiration from the hip hop tradition.

Exactly, she's a recording artist, and a very young recording artist at that. She's not the curator of the hip hop museum!

Old school to most kids that age means last summer, last year may as well be Beethoven. Van Halen, Run DMC are prehistoric ffs!

You're expecting a completely unrealistic depth of learning from a kid who just likes to make music.

buried

Nah I don't like it. There is no energy, life or soul to anything this crew are making.
Whatever about the mumble aspect of her lyrical style. Yeah whatever, that's her thing, shes trying to do her version of Trip hop lyrical style that was going on back in the 90's so there is nothing new or groundbreaking there. But this production work done supposedly by her brother that is being lauded as well? Its just basic generic safe pop house. And its bad pop house because there is zero energy put into it. No life. No action. No lifts. No arpeggios. Nothing. Its just very bland stuttering and not very interesting to me. Somebody said earlier here all the mainstream radio stations are pushing this work and telling everyone how great it is, so in the style of the young wan herself I'll just say...

that's...

why..




she..




is..

hip.

The Phantom Jipper

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Exactly, she's a recording artist, and a very young recording artist at that. She's not the curator of the hip hop museum!

Old school to most kids that age means last summer, last year may as well be Beethoven. Van Halen, Run DMC are prehistoric ffs!

You're expecting a completely unrealistic depth of learning from a kid who just likes to make music.

I had heard of Run DMC and Van Halen at her age, without being a music obsessive, and without music being my actual job.

Deebles McBeebles

Long-lasting music artists will be knowledgable about music, various genres. Even if it is "before their time". Pop starlets that drop off the conveyor belt won't. She'll burn bright for a few years and then be forgotten about. The genius tag is incredibly premature.

Bobblehats

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

I had heard of Run DMC and Van Halen at her age, without being a music obsessive, and without music being my actual job.

Run DMC and Aerosmith laid down a ‘def jam’. You’d have to think it was more Aerosmith breaking down the walls and hijacking their style though

The Phantom Jipper

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

I had heard of Run DMC and Van Halen at her age, without being a music obsessive, and without music being my actual job.

You should write a song about your anecdote.

GhostofKNugget

... I went to see Billie Eilish not too long ago. Oh my god man. Unbelievable. My daughters are obsessed with Billy Eilish. And what I'm seeing happening with my daughters is the same revolution that happened to me at their age. My daughters are listening to Billie Eilish and they're becoming themselves through her music. She totally connects to them. So we went to go see her play at the Wiltern, and the connection that she has with her audience is the same thing that was happening with Nirvana in 1991. The people in the audience knew every word. And it was like our little secret. So I don't know...and her music is hard to define! I don't know what you call it! I try to describe her to people and I don't know.......I don't even know what to call it. But it's authentic. And I would call that rock n roll. So.... I don't care what sort of instruments you use to do it. When I look at someone like Billie Eilish, I'm like...**** man....rock n roll is not even close to being dead...

Dave Grohl

Bobblehats

GhostofKNugget wrote: »

Dave Grohl

Ah yes the great perennial reading festival closer. To send the kids home after a weekend of pop with that sense of ‘authenticity’

Now she's rock n roll???

Quick, somebody find out if she has heard tell of Fats Domino.

sbsquarepants

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

I had heard of Run DMC and Van Halen at her age, without being a music obsessive, and without music being my actual job.

When was that by the way?

I have a 23 year old daughter and a 21 year old son - My youngfella probably knows the name Run DMC form reading up or watching interviews with more contemporary artists, but that would be it, i doubt he could name a single song I'm actually struggling to think of one myself (apart from that one!), and i actually liked them at the time! But i can guarantee neither have ever heard of Van Halen (if they're lucky they never will:D)

My daughter didn't know who the eagles were a few months back, even though i listen to them all the time!

buried

GhostofKNugget wrote: »

Dave Grohl

Grohl and Eilish are both signed to Universal Music Group through its affiliates. Worth keeping that in mind. Could be genuine. Could also be a advert. I'd say its a advert.

topper75

daughters are listening to Billie Eilish and they're becoming themselves through her music.

Yeah I want to take a quick peak at Dave's investment portfolio.

PressRun

Sounds very like Lorde to me.

The Phantom Jipper

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You should write a song about your anecdote.

Good one.

murpho999

Discovered her two years ago with her EP and think she's amazing. Once I heard "idontwannabeyouanymore" I was impressed and hooked.

Her voice is fantastic, as evidenced in how she sang in the Carpool Karaoke clip.

She co-writes with brother and is not just a performer.

So young and talented and I hope she stays on the straight and narrow and produces more as she learns her craft.

Also like her attitude and intelligence, still lives at home etc. Seems very grounded.

As for Run DMC and van Halen. So what?

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Shelby Rough Ghost wrote: »

Cobain had numerous musical influences, ranging from the well-known to the completely obscure, that he wrote about in his published personal journals. He listened obsessively to music. I think the odds of him answering "Who?" if someone named a famous band from a previous generation would have been pretty low.

The Hep Stars, a Swedish group from the 60s, are not a good comparison. Van Halen are a California band, and are still played widely on the radio there. And yet Billie Eilish grew up in California seemingly without any awareness of them.

I also don't buy the "She's only 18, so we can't expect her to know anything" line. Taylor Swift signed her first record deal when she was just 15 and her first album shows awareness of numerous influences that predated her.

What is with your unhealthy obsession with this girls influences? Why does it matter so much to you? It's music, you enjoy it or you do not. Who actually cares who she knows and why? Such a pathetic point to focus on.

topper75 wrote: »

Forgetting about who she doesn't and does know for a sec...

... what is the merit in her output? I listened with an open mind to Bad Guy and heard nothing new and nothing special. Any of her fans care to point out what I'm missing?

The 'singing' is breathy double-tracked whispering. The muffled bass/percussion is like a dance music track from 2005 playing loudly in a room next door. There is absolutely nothing sophisticated going on by way of melody or counterpoint. It is not something I would dance to. It doesn't seem to have any emotional colour. I don't hear a statement in the lyrics. I don't know what to do with it. It is quite poor in fact, and I have no idea how the Grammys were awarded.

Is there anything I need to pay attention to or is it all just a record industry emperor's new clothes thing and everyone is afraid to call out?

People like her music, shock horror. Does there have to be some hidden message or the likes. It's catchy to some, the reasoning behind that doesn't need to be justified at any level. It's music.

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

I had heard of Run DMC and Van Halen at her age, without being a music obsessive, and without music being my actual job.

So? What point are you trying to convey here exactly?