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Even more grooming gangs, this time Scotland

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    #92
    FTA69
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    Eircom_Sucks wrote: »
    not here to debate what he said or who he is associated with

    the english government are persecuting him because he's bringing up the muslim rape gangs and the government don't wanna be seen as racist or upset the muslim community

    No they're not. He got banged up because he breached a court order and nearly jeopardised the conviction of a nonce gang for the sake of some Facebook likes.


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    #93
    ancapailldorcha
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    Eircom_Sucks wrote: »
    not here to debate what he said or who he is associated with

    the english government are persecuting him because he's bringing up the muslim rape gangs and the government don't wanna be seen as racist or upset the muslim community

    He's a scam artist who's making bank from children getting raped. You can't defend him and come across as caring about these abuses being perpetrated against white working class girls.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #94
    jam_mac_jam
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    these two statements are very confused. Police did not investigate these crimes because of who the abusers were, the second part of your statement is more correct.

    Not really, both reasons can exist at once. There were lots of police reports, different police, different reasons.


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    #95
    [Deleted User]
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Far more likely they didn't investigate because of who the girls being abused were.

    If you take whatever the police say at face value on this issue, you're being naïve at best. They've a proven track record of lying through their teeth.

    that is exactly what I said??


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    #96
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    The Scottish Sun article reports they were 'all asylum seekers' from the 'Kurdish, Afghani, Egyptian, Moroccan, Turkish, Pakistani or Iraqi' communities.
    However, if it's anything like the English gangs there might well be an emphasis on those of Pakistani heritage.

    Folks like the BBC/Guardian will never ever focus on this, an instead will always use the term 'Asians' to water down or dilute facts.


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    #97
    FTA69
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    that is exactly what I said??

    You said the cops didn't investigate because of who the abusers were i.e. they didn't investigate because of who the perpetrators were.

    I'm saying that's a lie from the police and the reason this wasn't investigated is because the girls being abused were written off as delinquent slags by the authorities.


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    #98
    Eircom_Sucks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Eircom_Sucks


    FTA69 wrote: »
    No they're not. He got banged up because he breached a court order and nearly jeopardised the conviction of a nonce gang for the sake of some Facebook likes.

    reported what was already in public domain


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    #99
    [Deleted User]
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    You said the cops didn't investigate because of who the abusers were i.e. they didn't investigate because of who the perpetrators were.

    I'm saying that's a lie from the police and the reason this wasn't investigated is because the girls being abused were written off as delinquent slags by the authorities.

    go & read it again, i said they didn't investigate because of who the victims were.

    edit, read it myself, doesn't read well! the English is a bit bad alright!
    anyway, what I meant was the 1st statement the poster made, was wrong, the police failed to investigate, not because of who the abusers were, but rather because of who the victims were.

    I'll reread before posting again!


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    #100
    Diceicle
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    No they're not. He got banged up because he breached a court order and nearly jeopardised the conviction of a nonce gang for the sake of some Facebook likes.

    It goes way beyond the court incident. He is 100% being targetted/harrassed by the police.


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    #101
    FTA69
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    Diceicle wrote: »
    It goes way beyond the court incident. He is 100% being targetted/harrassed by the police.

    Could it possibly be down to the fact he's got a list of convictions as long as your arm for violence and disorder and has a habit of leading mobs of similar people around the gaff who attack the police? Or maybe it's his habit of continually breaching court orders regards anonymity?

    The guy is a far-right protagonist and he milks this for personal gain. He's not some victim of the state.


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    #102
    Kivaro
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    Will Ugly Sometimes wrote: »
    The Scottish Sun article reports they were 'all asylum seekers' from the 'Kurdish, Afghani, Egyptian, Moroccan, Turkish, Pakistani or Iraqi' communities.
    And yet we are told by the experts on here that the child rapists had lived in the country for multi-generations, and then they talk about socio-economic reasons, as if it was some form of excuse for this abhorrent behaviour.

    I guarantee that we will have a similar, most probably worse, situation of the grooming and rape of Irish children by the above groups, and the perpetrators will not have lived in Ireland for many generations. The current reticence of the Irish media and political system to have a rational debate on mass non-EU immigration into Ireland will lead to a system and environment where there will be fear to investigate or even report the rape of children in order to protect the perpetrators due to their race and background.


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    #103
    Diceicle
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    optogirl wrote: »
    There's a strong trend of white men committing assault & violence daily. It doesn't mean their ethnicity is the issue. As far as police services covering up crimes for whatever reason, that, in itself, is an offence and should be treated as such.

    Ok, but take into consideration the ethnicity of the alleged perps, the underlying belief system, both religious and cultural and compare the number of these people as a % of the population.
    If white-ginger males were out sexually assaulting people en masse then it would warrant a conversation about that demographic - just like it warrants a conversation and investigation why this Middle-Eastern demographic is so highly represented in sexual assault cases in the UK, Sweden etc etc


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    #104
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    I guarantee that we will have a similar, most probably worse, situation of the grooming and rape of Irish children by the above groups, and the perpetrators will not have lived in Ireland for many generations. The current reticence of the Irish media and political system to have a rational debate on mass non-EU immigration into Ireland will lead to a system and environment where there will be fear to investigate or even report the rape of children in order to protect the perpetrators due to their race and background.

    do you have the Lotto numbers for tonight?


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    #105
    FTA69
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    Eircom_Sucks wrote: »
    reported what was already in public domain

    Anonymity in abuse cases is often granted to protect the identity of the victim. The fact he was outside with a camera shouting and roaring could have prejudiced the sentencing and thus opened up grounds for appeal for a bunch of scumbag nonces. Imagine being a young woman with your family at a court case and then coming out to see that f*cking idiot with a camera using your abuse as a fundraising tactic.


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    #106
    FTA69
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    And yet we are told by the experts on here that the child rapists had lived in the country for multi-generations, and then they talk about socio-economic reasons, as if it was some form of excuse for this abhorrent behaviour.

    I guarantee that we will have a similar, most probably worse, situation of the grooming and rape of Irish children by the above groups, and the perpetrators will not have lived in Ireland for many generations. The current reticence of the Irish media and political system to have a rational debate on mass non-EU immigration into Ireland will lead to a system and environment where there will be fear to investigate or even report the rape of children in order to protect the perpetrators due to their race and background.

    Nah sorry mate, that's not what I said at all.

    I pointed out correctly that most people involved in paedophile gangs in Britain were born here. Not once did I seek to "justify" it. I said it was wrong and needs to be challenged. You're being plain disingenuous.

    I said gang crime in London etc is rooted in socio-economic issues. Which it is. I've no bother having an honest chat about this stuff but there's no point if people are going to make sh*t up.


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    #107
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    And yet we are told by the experts on here that the child rapists had lived in the country for multi-generations, and then they talk about socio-economic reasons, as if it was some form of excuse for this abhorrent behaviour.

    I guarantee that we will have a similar, most probably worse, situation of the grooming and rape of Irish children by the above groups, and the perpetrators will not have lived in Ireland for many generations. The current reticence of the Irish media and political system to have a rational debate on mass non-EU immigration into Ireland will lead to a system and environment where there will be fear to investigate or even report the rape of children in order to protect the perpetrators due to their race and background.

    That excuse (socio-economics) is usually rolled out whenever the 400% muslim over-representation in the jailhouses is mentioned.

    However in terms of these g'gangs, the epicentre revolving around Pakistani element may well be multi-generational (view of young white victims). Again it's a 'cultural factor', one that may well be passed down (same goes for the economic poverty - view of the women's role, which is not always that of a University education).


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    #108
    TwoMonthsOff
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Could it possibly be down to the fact he's got a list of convictions as long as your arm for violence and disorder and has a habit of leading mobs of similar people around the gaff who attack the police? Or maybe it's his habit of continually breaching court orders regards anonymity?

    The guy is a far-right protagonist and he milks this for personal gain. He's not some victim of the state.

    He isnt far right, hes a clown and a shill for Israel. The far right in England hate him because he isnt an ethno-nationalst.


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    #109
    Eircom_Sucks
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Anonymity in abuse cases is often granted to protect the identity of the victim. The fact he was outside with a camera shouting and roaring could have prejudiced the sentencing and thus opened up grounds for appeal for a bunch of scumbag nonces. Imagine being a young woman with your family at a court case and then coming out to see that f*cking idiot with a camera using your abuse as a fundraising tactic.

    whats with using the word " Nonce " you sound like one tbh

    Mr knowitall


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    #110
    TwoMonthsOff
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    Eircom_Sucks wrote: »
    whats with using the word " Nonce " you sound like one tbh

    Mr knowitall

    Nonce is a term used by British people, or people that watch too much British tv


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    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Eircom_Sucks wrote: »
    whats with using the word " Nonce " you sound like one tbh

    Mr knowitall

    Well said lad, brimming with intelligence and analysis as usual.

    An Irish supporter of the British far-right. Good man yourself.


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    #112
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    TwoMonthsOff wrote: »
    He isnt far right, hes a clown and a shill for Israel. The far right in England hate him because he isnt an ethno-nationalst.

    You can be far-right and support Israel. There is an Israeli far-right in existence.

    You don’t have to be an anti-Semite to be on the extreme right.


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    #113
    Marcos
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    Gynoid wrote: »
    Horrifically sex rings exist worldwide. It is something I cannot comprehend, sex trafficking, child abuse rings, so called elite abuse rings, on line abuser rings, etc - it is just unfathomable that there are so many sick bad people in the world.
    To investigate this kind of crime there have to be categories. The online pervert accessing child porn is different to deal with than the punter paying for sex services from an obviously trafficked person.
    In terms of dealing with things criminologically differences have to be noticed. In the case of these so called Asian grooming gangs there are factors in common that make it a category of its own with definitive characteristics. It is allowed to notice that.
    One of the main ones for me personally is that the girls - so far, and as far as I know, but this may change - are usually if not always white. So there is a racist element, from the perpetrators. They are somehow viewing the girls as less worthy of protection and more worthy of abuse.

    It might be for example that white grooming gangs in some parts of the world target black girls, and that would be noteworthy. One could understand black communities being enraged if white rings did that. It probably is already a thing.
    In fact isn't there a type of sex crime where aid workers target children and girls in crises regions. People write reports and investigations especially about such cases. If, in the wake of such scandals, a Haitian person angrily said these fckers from NGOs are coming in here raping our women and children, I would have a lot of sympathy and understanding for their fury.
    Why would communitues in England or Scotland not be entitled to feel the same kind of fury?

    That's very well put, and spot on. You're right, there has to be a proper classification of these crimes so these different types of criminals can be targeted and brought to justice. This is the correct angle to approach this from IMO, if you want to see this kind of stuff ended and the perpetrators brought to justice.

    Unfortunately this debate is so polarised by the likes of those who want to shut down any such debate because it doesn't fit in with their worldview, and are seen as defending* the perpetrators because of the particular demographic they represent. Anyone else is automatically racist / bigot / xenophobe / word of choice.

    Reasonable people can see that this is not the way to go and shutting down any debate creates a vacuum and space between what they know is reasonable and those who wish to talk down to them and tell them what is acceptable speech and what isn't. This has allowed elements from the fringe like Tommy Robinson, or Stephen Yaxley Lennon, to use his real name, to take this space and appear more reasonable because they are saying that this is criminal behaviour and should be punished. So now, the likes of Tommy Robinson et al who nobody ever heard of until he came to prominence by drawing attention to these grooming gangs now seems more reasonable than the establishment (police, media, politicians, social services etc) who actively ignored these actions. This is not a good place to be.

    *That may or may not be their intention, but it is the hill they have chosen to die on.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



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    #114
    Scoteire
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    There's already been cases of rape here, where the description of the perpetrator has not been revealed to the public. That in itself is a cover up... Sadly, nothing surprises me anymore, how long before we hear about grooming gangs and cover ups here?


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    Diceicle
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Could it possibly be down to the fact he's got a list of convictions as long as your arm for violence and disorder and has a habit of leading mobs of similar people around the gaff who attack the police? Or maybe it's his habit of continually breaching court orders regards anonymity?

    The guy is a far-right protagonist and he milks this for personal gain. He's not some victim of the state.

    Sorry, I thought you were denying he was being harrassed by the Police? If that's not the case and we're arguing 'why' he is harrassed then thats a bit different.
    To be honest, if the police were to harrass someone, I'd rather they spend their attention-pounds elsewhere.

    Its arguable about the personal-gain v price paid do you not think? Locked up, harrassed by Leftists, Muslims, Police etc - for what? He's hardly a millionaire as a result of it?


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    #116
    Clarence Boddiker
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    MakingMovies2 wrote: »
    The train of thought here is disgusting and racist. The people from these countries need our help. We've exploited and destroyed their countries of course some are angry. If we listened to them and educated them this could be avoided. But this attitude you all have helps no one. Dog whistling is all it is.

    Theres an almost psychopathic level of thinking going on when the first thing a person does upon hearing about the horrific rape and abuse of underage girls is to automatically sympathise with the perpetrators on the basis of their race.


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    RWCNT
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    Diceicle wrote: »
    Sorry, I thought you were denying he was being harrassed by the Police? If that's not the case and we're arguing 'why' he is harrassed then thats a bit different.
    To be honest, if the police were to harrass someone, I'd rather they spend their attention-pounds elsewhere.

    Its arguable about the personal-gain v price paid do you not think? Locked up, harrassed by Leftists, Muslims, Police etc - for what? He's hardly a millionaire as a result of it?

    He somehow managed to afford a mansion worth £900k so he's clearly got something out of it.
    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Theres an almost psychopathic level of thinking going on when the first thing a person does upon hearing about the horrific rape and abuse of underage girls is to automatically sympathise with the perpetrators on the basis of their race.

    That account is defo on the windup.


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    Scoteire wrote: »
    There's already been cases of rape here, where the description of the perpetrator has not been revealed to the public. That in itself is a cover up... Sadly, nothing surprises me anymore, how long before we hear about grooming gangs and cover ups here?

    in all cases of rape the abuser is anonymous. It is to protect the identity of the victim. The victim can waive anonymity but that is the choice of the VICTIM.
    who, I'm sure you agree is the important person in a case of rape.


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    #119
    FTA69
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    Diceicle wrote: »
    Sorry, I thought you were denying he was being harrassed by the Police? If that's not the case and we're arguing 'why' he is harrassed then thats a bit different.
    To be honest, if the police were to harrass someone, I'd rather they spend their attention-pounds elsewhere.

    Its arguable about the personal-gain v price paid do you not think? Locked up, harrassed by Leftists, Muslims, Police etc - for what? He's hardly a millionaire as a result of it?

    He's doing very well out of it actually. He's forever looking for money and has raised hundreds of thousands from online appeals, and where has it gone exactly?

    https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2018/08/07/an-insider-reveals-tommy-robinsons-far-right-platform-is-actually-a-get-rich-quick-scheme/

    This site is a lefty one in fairness, but it contains quotes from his fomer PA about how's coining it.


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    #120
    Scoteire
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    in all cases of rape the abuser is anonymous. It is to protect the identity of the victim. The victim can waive anonymity but that is the choice of the VICTIM.
    who, I'm sure you agree is the important person in a case of rape.



    Revealing their identity is different to releasing a description, which is what I said. I was referring to a case where the rapist moved on to another town.


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    #121
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    Scoteire wrote: »
    Revealing their identity is different to releasing a description, which is what I said. I was referring to a case where the rapist moved on to another town.

    what? you mean you expect Gardai to release details of convicted rapists location, after they have served a sentence?


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