2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Timberrrrrrrr

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Says the guy who wishes death by corona to those he disagrees with. :rolleyes:

Nope, that's a lie, nice try though.

Sweetemotion

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nope, that's a lie, nice try though.

You had your fingers and toes crossed.

Sweetemotion

Anyway, so creepy uncle Joe's pick for climate change is a woman who thinks hurricanes are racist. :pac:

Professor Moriarty

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Anyway, so creepy uncle Joe's pick for climate change is a woman who thinks hurricanes are racist. :pac:

Can you explain the hurricane thing?

Billy Mays

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Can you explain the hurricane thing?

Donnie wants to nuke them

Professor Moriarty

Billy Mays wrote: »

Donnie wants to nuke them

Seems legit.

Carfacemandog

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Says the guy who wishes death by corona to those he disagrees with. :rolleyes:

Where did they say this?

Sweetemotion

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Can you explain the hurricane thing?

Sure, climate change is caused by rich white men, which leads to hurricanes and because they hit southern states more it's racist.

Sweetemotion

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Where did they say this?

Said he had his fingers and toes crossed when they heard Johnson had corona.

MadYaker

The full extent of the economic impact of coronavirus is only going to begin to be felt over the next few months so I expect that will have some sort of an effect on Trump's approval rating. He hasn't got much head room there. Especially if several US states are forced into lockdown again in the autumn. Having loads of coronavirus cases going into flu season is a recipe for disaster. Not sure how it can be avoided though.

2u2me

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Anyway, so creepy uncle Joe's pick for climate change is a woman who thinks hurricanes are racist. :pac:

Instead of opting for the moderates, he's gone the progressive route. He seems desperate.

Was also tweeting at the USWNT 'don’t give up this fight. This is not over yet.' after a ruling went against them.

Timberrrrrrrr

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Said he had his fingers and toes crossed when they heard Johnson had corona.

Another lie

Pa ElGrande

Trump Goes on Offense Against Obama

Obama was the ring leader in the operation to spy on Trump and anyone with half a brain knows it. The unmasking of the unmaskers in the Obama administration is to tarnish his legacy and dishearten any centrist voters who may be tiring of Trump’s mistakes and the worsening economic collapse engineered by the shutdown of the economy during the peak of the COVID-19 hysteria.

This is why it is imperative for Trump to take Obama out of this election cycle as quickly as possible.

With Hillary finally bending the knee to Obama when she publicly endorsed Biden that was the signal that she’s acknowledging she’s lost the fight for control over the Democratic Party, which she and her husband have ruled with a closed fist for decades.

Now Obama is free and clear to begin campaigning openly on Biden’s behalf. And don’t for a second think that the trial balloons of his wife Michelle being Biden’s running mate are the fanciful wishes of hopeless Democrats. Michelle is absolutely one of the top candidates for that job.

Because with Trump surviving everything thrown at him to this point the only chance Biden has this fall is his second coming as the Left’s political messiah. Take nothing away from Obama, he is an excellent campaigner.

With Michelle as his running mate that puts Obama right where he needs to be, hounding Trump on all the issues that are supposed to be weaknesses for him – the economy, COVID-19 deaths, unemployment, etc.

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Pa ElGrande

Pension Debt, Fiscal Mismanagement, And Why State/Local Bailout Requests Are So Maddening

Illinois was first out of the gate in seeking federal bailout money, and did so very inartfully, explicitly asking for money for pensions, among other requests. Governor J.B. Pritzker’s new message is that, as he said in an CBS “Face the Nation” interview last week, “We were on our way to a balanced budget for next year as well. So all we've asked for, and frankly the other 49 states too, as far as I know, is just help to replace those revenues that we all lost . . . as a result of this invisible killer.” (Locally, even back last summer, the Illinois Policy Institute disputed this claim, claiming that the if you strip out the gimmicks, the budget was out of balance by at least half a billion and possibly 1.3 billion dollars.)


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Senators Urge Pelosi to Include Pension Fix in Next Stimulus Package

Pelosi: No more virus bailouts without state and local aid


In the US the economic fallout has only begun. The end-retailers are going down (e.g. JC Penny, Gordmans and more ) . Then you have the distributor companies, the manufacturing companies and all the shipping it just rolls on.

Blueshoe

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Sure, climate change is caused by rich white men, which leads to hurricanes and because they hit southern states more it's racist.

Iv seen the data. Your hypothesis is correct.

Blueshoe

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Pension Debt, Fiscal Mismanagement, And Why State/Local Bailout Requests Are So Maddening



Senators Urge Pelosi to Include Pension Fix in Next Stimulus Package

Pelosi: No more virus bailouts without state and local aid


In the US the economic fallout has only begun. The end-retailers are going down (e.g. JC Penny, Gordmans and more ) . Then you have the distributor companies, the manufacturing companies and all the shipping it just rolls on.

Economies are not functioning at the minute yet equity markets are recovering loses and is relatively stable.
Why?

Federal reserve and central bank grants are pumping money in the form of grants into economies trying to ride out the downturn until the return of business. If this fails then people won't have jobs to go back to. If they succeed expect a v shaped recovery and a Trump re election

Quin_Dub

Blueshoe wrote: »

Economies are not functioning at the minute yet equity markets are recovering loses and is relatively stable.
Why?

Federal reserve and central bank grants are pumping money in the form of grants into economies trying to ride out the downturn until the return of business. If this fails then people won't have jobs to go back to. If they succeed expect a v shaped recovery and a Trump re election

Or - They are propping up the 1% so they can ride out the downturn and continue to make money , with absolutely no regard or thought to whether that gets regular people back to work or not.

The US economy was living on borrowed time as it was , artificially pumped up by an unsustainable Tax cut - All Covid-19 has done is accelerate and deepen the inevitable.Sadly there won't be anything like a V shaped recovery , this is going to take a minimum of 3-5 years to fully recover from.

Blueshoe

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Or - They are propping up the 1% so they can ride out the downturn and continue to make money , with absolutely no regard or thought to whether that gets regular people back to work or not.

The US economy was living on borrowed time as it was , artificially pumped up by an unsustainable Tax cut - All Covid-19 has done is accelerate and deepen the inevitable.Sadly there won't be anything like a V shaped recovery , this is going to take a minimum of 3-5 years to fully recover from.

You do realise that the ECB are doing the same. If money isn't handed out to support the businesses then there are no jobs to go back to.

The federal reserve can't give money away. They loan it. Governments can hand it out in grants.

That's how the world works. Grants being handed out left right and centre
Forget the conspiracy theories

Quin_Dub

Blueshoe wrote: »

You do realise that the ECB are doing the same. If money isn't handed out to support the businesses then there are no jobs to go back to.

The federal reserve can't give money away. They loan it. Governments can hand it out in grants.

That's how the world works. Grants being handed out left right and centre
Forget the conspiracy theories

True, But it's the mix of things that shows the priorities - What % of the US spending has gone to massive Corporations and investors compared to going to small businesses and employees??

Blueshoe

Quin_Dub wrote: »

True, But it's the mix of things that shows the priorities - What % of the US spending has gone to massive Corporations and investors compared to going to small businesses and employees??

You tell me or don't you know.
Remember before this crisis the Us had its lowest unemployment rate in 60 years.

Blueshoe

Quin_Dub wrote: »

True, But it's the mix of things that shows the priorities - What % of the US spending has gone to massive Corporations and investors compared to going to small businesses and employees??

You tell me or don't you know.
Remember before this crisis the Us had its lowest unemployment rate in 60 years.

Pa ElGrande

Blueshoe wrote: »

Economies are not functioning at the minute yet equity markets are recovering loses and is relatively stable.
Why?

Federal reserve and central bank grants are pumping money in the form of grants into economies trying to ride out the downturn until the return of business. If this fails then people won't have jobs to go back to. If they succeed expect a v shaped recovery and a Trump re election

I can't answer your question directly. Most municipality and county funding is derived from local commercial and residential property rates and various local taxes. With much economic activity shutdown and a roll of bankruptcies beginning combined with unemployment expenditures rising, they can't print their way out and nor can they print money at State level like the US Federal government can. At local level how do they fund pensions for retired people without revenue? There was already a public sector pensions crisis in several areas of the US prior to this, the state of Illinois in particular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXRgkyMwR70

There is another problem developing in parallel, food and fuel production is being curtailed due to a combination of drop in demand, prices and interruption of global supply chains (Fertiliser, weather, pestilence included). Once the current surplus fuel is used up and restrictions are eased there is no production or supply to meet demand, this all takes time to resolve, money printing can't solve these problems all it does distort the coordination of market pricing signals when combined with shortages we will all see larger inflationary rises for food and fuel that we are used to by the end of the year and well into next.


We were already heading into a recession this year, the unanticipated actions of states in shutting down economic activity has turned to a depression, which I expect will probably express itself in a monetary crisis or reset within the next 2 to 3 years, more likely centred on the Euro.

2u2me

Quin_Dub wrote: »

True, But it's the mix of things that shows the priorities - What % of the US spending has gone to massive Corporations and investors compared to going to small businesses and employees??

You mean the stimulus money?

Category Amount Share

• Individuals / Families $603.7 billion 30%
• Big Business $500.0 billion 25%
• Small Business $377.0 billion 19%
• State and Local Government $340.0 billion 17%
• Public Services $179.5 billion 9%

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-anatomy-of-the-2-trillion-covid-19-stimulus-bill/

amdublin

Blueshoe wrote: »

You do realise that the ECB are doing the same. If money isn't handed out to support the businesses then there are no jobs to go back to.

The federal reserve can't give money away. They loan it. Governments can hand it out in grants.

That's how the world works. Grants being handed out left right and centre
Forget the conspiracy theories

A lot of those grants or "small business loans" don't need to be paid back if they are used for X (paying employee wages for example).

Essentially, they ARE giving money away

amdublin

Watching tv last night and I see a press conference where Trump is telling reporters he has been taking hydroxychloriquine as a preventative for a few weeks now...

...I'm off to Google the side effects of hydroxychloriquine (particularly when taking it with no medical condition that requires it)

Dum dee dum dee dum

Quin_Dub

amdublin wrote: »

Watching tv last night and I see a press conference where Trump is telling reporters he has been taking hydroxychloriquine as a preventative for a few weeks now...

...I'm off to Google the side effects of hydroxychloriquine (particularly when taking it with no medical condition that requires it)

Dum dee dum dee dum

Arrhythmia , Loss of Balance , Seizures and Heart Failure - All of that and absolutely ZERO evidence that it has the slightest positive impact on Covid19

amdublin

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Arrhythmia , Loss of Balance , Seizures and Heart Failure - All of that and absolutely ZERO evidence that it has the slightest positive impact on Covid19

Oh man.

I change my last sentence
DUMB dee DUMB dee DUMB

Is the injecting of the bleach next???

Melanchthon

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Arrhythmia , Loss of Balance , Seizures and Heart Failure - All of that and absolutely ZERO evidence that it has the slightest positive impact on Covid19

It's a pretty safe and well studied drug I thought, been in use a long long time and not been replaced. These lists of side effects don't tell you much as they tend to be very serious.

A Decrease In Platelet Clotting
A Rupture In The Wall Of The Stomach Or Intestine
A Significant Type Of Allergic Reaction Called Anaphylaxis
A Type Of Allergic Reaction Called Angioedema
A Type Of Blood Disorder Where The Red Blood Cells Burst Called Hemolytic Anemia
A Type Of Kidney Inflammation Called Interstitial Nephritis
Anemia
Bleeding
Bleeding Of The Stomach Or Intestines
Bleeding Within The Skull
Blistering Of The Skin
Blood Coming From Anus
Bronchospasm
Damage To The Liver And Inflammation
Decreased Blood Platelets
Hives
Inflammation Of The Skin Due To An Allergy
Large Purple Or Brown Skin Blotches
Low Levels Of White Blood Cells
Seizures
Stomach Or Intestinal Ulcer
Trouble Breathing
Wheezing

Guess what drug this is?

It's a stupid and irresponsible thing to say by Trump but considering he is likely under constant medical attention he's not likely to die from this IMO.

ohnonotgmail

amdublin wrote: »

Watching tv last night and I see a press conference where Trump is telling reporters he has been taking hydroxychloriquine as a preventative for a few weeks now...

...I'm off to Google the side effects of hydroxychloriquine (particularly when taking it with no medical condition that requires it)

Dum dee dum dee dum

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Arrhythmia , Loss of Balance , Seizures and Heart Failure - All of that and absolutely ZERO evidence that it has the slightest positive impact on Covid19

dont be distracted by trumps nonsense. he was in the middle of being grillled on arms sales to saudi arabia and the firing of Inspectors General when he came out with this.

2u2me

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Arrhythmia , Loss of Balance , Seizures and Heart Failure - All of that and absolutely ZERO evidence that it has the slightest positive impact on Covid19

If this was any other time; I'd be with you. Wait for the clinical studies and trials. Wait for approval from the CDC. The problem is this process takes usually years. It could easily take 4-5 years.

I've searched but can't find any statistics about hydroxychloroquine related deaths.(I'm sure there are some)

What is true is that hydroxychloroquine binds to the same ace2 receptor that the corona virus binds to, thus preventing it from binding.

The head researcher at the Bill and Melinda gates foundation had this to say

"The two Accelerator studies are looking instead at prophylaxis — stopping people exposed to the virus from getting sick.

From the existing data, which need validation in a trial, it looks like hydroxychloroquine could be a good agent for prophylaxis. It actually blocks the entry of the virus into the cell, so the hypothesis makes a lot of sense: if you have the drug in your system and you get exposed, you won’t let the virus get into your cells and you won’t get onset of disease. That is what the trials are aimed at showing."

People with underlying conditions at far more at risk with the corona virus. If I were such a person I might take a chance on this drug.