2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

When you can't comment on the content you attack the source, eh? Typical!

Have you no self awareness? You’ve spent 99% of this thread attacking media sources.

Brian?

Silentcorner wrote: »

They all do...it's opinion driven content that is the basis of all news outlets...and then stories that reflect that editorial direction....it's why the industry is so polarized.

If you consume media all day every day, there is a good chance that not only are you being misinformed (by the omission of balance)...you are being whipped into hysteria!

Actually they all don’t. Some add bias and spin, but the Daily Caller is the pits.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

As has been argued just now it’s not a source it’s a gossip mill.

The piece cites a justice department document. Surely you can find the document, if it is part of the public discourse?

Here's the document, page 109. But it's not exactly damning. The "significantly" aspect is being latched onto but based on the actual document, Steele was an active informant to the FBI to some extent since 2013(in relation to Russian oligarchs. So financial compensation was normal. So it's not even noted as an issue in the report, guessing that's why the Daily Caller are picking up on random quotes rather than the conclusions.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Silentcorner

Brian? wrote: »

Actually they all don’t. Some add bias and spin, but the Daily Caller is the pits.

Brian...they all do.

They all add bias and spin, the mix of opinion pieces and stories that are all in line with the editorial direction....they all do this...are some worse than others, maybe, but as I said, once a news source abandons balance and objectivity it is done for...you could argue that it has always been this way to a degree...but social media distribution and the way we consume media has changed the landscape forever.

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here's the document, page 109. But it's not exactly damning. The "significantly" aspect is being latched onto but based on the actual document, Steele was an active informant to the FBI to some extent since 2013(in relation to Russian oligarchs. So financial compensation was normal. So it's not even noted as an issue in the report, guessing that's why the Daily Caller are picking up on random quotes rather than the conclusions.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

So, @notobtuse, is this Obamagate? Is this the smoking gun? Nail in the coffin? The Burger?

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

So, @notobtuse, is this Obamagate? Is this the smoking gun? Nail in the coffin? The Burger?

It's been readily available since December so they're slow at reading apparently. :rolleyes:

Brian?

Silentcorner wrote: »

Brian...they all do.

They all add bias and spin, the mix of opinion pieces and stories that are all in line with the editorial direction....they all do this...are some worse than others, maybe, but as I said, once a news source abandons balance and objectivity it is done for...you could argue that it has always been this way to a degree...but social media distribution and the way we consume media has changed the landscape forever.

Again, they don't all make stories up. The Daily Caller does.

Silentcorner

Brian? wrote: »

Again, they don't all make stories up. The Daily Caller does.

Let me guess...the media outlets you read are the one's that don't!!!

Brian?

Silentcorner wrote: »

Let me guess...the media outlets you read are the one's that don't!!!

Jesus, it's like pulling teeth with this carry on.

The Daily Caller makes up stories.

Fox new, as much as I dislike them rarely tell straight out lies. It's all spin.

There are plenty of outlets with editorial bias I don't agree with, who don't make up stories.

The reason I know this is because I read a massive variety of outlets. The news channel I watch the most is Fox news. It's how you avoid living in a echo chamber.

ShatterAlan

This idiot is going to be reelected (or reselected) in November...PERIOD.


The prez of the US is there purely because he was put there by billionaires,


He, in his stupidity will continue to keep the smellies distracted. He's perfect.

Outlaw Pete

Brian? wrote: »

The Daily Caller makes up stories.

Stories bigger than the Russia-Trump collusion one? Any links? Could do with a laugh :P

Look, let's be honest - the vast majority of users on this thread who have been posting on this issue (or those surrounding it) for the last two or three years, got it spectacularly wrong. They (and you know who you are) swallowed every single aspect of the Trump-Russia collusion palaver and called any information which called it into question, a right wing conspiracy theory.

Not so long ago now even suggesting that the surveillance of Carter Page relied on the Steele Dossier, or that Flynn was coerced into pleading guilty, was sneered at (to say the least) by the very users now still sneering and asking for sources on information that has largely been available for years. It beggars belief. Truth is, the vast majority of you have very little knowledge about what went on in 2016/2017 (as it relates to this topic) because if it didn't fit the 'Get Trump' narrative, and had come from a mainstream media source, it was dismissed as being nothing but conspiracy theories.

Well, they're not, and they never were but whats most galling is that I see no evidence that those that fell for the false narrative, peddled by the left, and amplified by the MSM, even questioning if they should continue to be so trusting of these clearly biased outlets, who clearly have little or no regard for the truth, and oftentimes, will even do their best to bury it.

On the contrary, I see these news sources still being held in the same high esteem, and the news sources, and journalists, like John Solomon for example, who did actually report the truth over the last three years, still, incredulously, being scoffed at as if they couldn't possibly have written anything worth reading. Wtf like?!?! Seems to me some want to be lied to, as maybe they are so entrenched in their political views that hearing things which reaffirm that they are right, is far more important to them than anything else, including, sadly, the truth.

Maybe the indictments will change people's minds but sadly I think even then, some will no doubt still say that AG Barr is just doing what Trump wants him to and that the rule of law no longer matters. How can so many people be so blind I do not know. Maybe people just hate Donald Trump so much that they are just incapable of, or just don't care to, see the truth of either him or what went on. I see them try to justify their hatred of him from time to time, always using stuff he has just supposedly said or done, but come on, the hatred was there from the moment he announced he was running. The liberal media were on his case with impeachment talk from inauguration day, and his political opponents, from long before that.

MadYaker

You've just completely re wrtitten the events of the last few years on these boards. Do you honestly believe all that stuff? All you have is strawman arguments. You're obsessed with the media. Do you not realise that most of us don't even watch CNN or MSNBC? I have no idea who John Solomon is. I read the Mueller report though, myself, in full. Not some version on CNN or whatever.

What indictments are you talking about? So far we've seen none from Durham or Horowitz and multiple from the Mueller investigation.

kyote00

Looks like the "orange ones" goose is cooked....

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-2020-presidential-forecast-says-trump-faces-historic-defeat-due-to-terrible-economy-2020-05-20

Overheal

Muzzled. Submissive. Good boy.

ohnonotgmail

I cant understand how anybody can support somebody this mentally incompetent. he is like a little child in a room full of adults that feels they have to say something. the adults humour him and listen patiently and then continue on with the adult conversation they were having.

TRUMP: “When you say per capita, there’s many per capitas. It’s like per capita relative to what? But you can look at just about any category and we’re really at the top”

https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1263225032198836225

2u2me

Overheal wrote: »

Muzzled. Submissive. Good boy.

That's pretty disgusting. Would you say the same about Obama?

duploelabs

2u2me wrote: »

That's pretty disgusting. Would you say the same about Obama?

Like the outrage when he wore a tan suit?

osarusan

To what extent can Trump convince voters that the economic collapse is a largely result of force majeure which nobody could ever really have avoided?

If he were to ask Biden 'How would you have avoided massive increases in unemployment?' can Biden really answer that? I'm sure Biden could identify individual decisions that have made it worse to some extent, but I'm not sure how great that extent is.


But maybe all that matters is that the economy is bad right now, and the reasons why are less relevant, and the mentality is that Trump is Presidents so the buck stops with him.

ohnonotgmail

osarusan wrote: »

To what extent can Trump convince voters that the economic collapse is a largely result of force majeure which nobody could ever really have avoided?

If he were to ask Biden 'How would you have avoided massive increases in unemployment?' can Biden really answer that? I'm sure Biden could identify individual decisions that have made it worse to some extent, but I'm not sure how great that extent is.


But maybe all that matters is that the economy is bad right now, and the reasons why are less relevant, and the mentality is that Trump is Presidents so the buck stops with him.

he sat on his hands for two months. the buck does stop with him,.

Brian?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Stories bigger than the Russia-Trump collusion one? Any links? Could do with a laugh :P

Look, let's be honest - the vast majority of users on this thread who have been posting on this issue (or those surrounding it) for the last two or three years, got it spectacularly wrong. They (and you know who you are) swallowed every single aspect of the Trump-Russia collusion palaver and called any information which called it into question, a right wing conspiracy theory.

Not so long ago now even suggesting that the surveillance of Carter Page relied on the Steele Dossier, or that Flynn was coerced into pleading guilty, was sneered at (to say the least) by the very users now still sneering and asking for sources on information that has largely been available for years. It beggars belief. Truth is, the vast majority of you have very little knowledge about what went on in 2016/2017 (as it relates to this topic) because if it didn't fit the 'Get Trump' narrative, and had come from a mainstream media source, it was dismissed as being nothing but conspiracy theories.

Well, they're not, and they never were but whats most galling is that I see no evidence that those that fell for the false narrative, peddled by the left, and amplified by the MSM, even questioning if they should continue to be so trusting of these clearly biased outlets, who clearly have little or no regard for the truth, and oftentimes, will even do their best to bury it.

On the contrary, I see these news sources still being held in the same high esteem, and the news sources, and journalists, like John Solomon for example, who did actually report the truth over the last three years, still, incredulously, being scoffed at as if they couldn't possibly have written anything worth reading. Wtf like?!?! Seems to me some want to be lied to, as maybe they are so entrenched in their political views that hearing things which reaffirm that they are right, is far more important to them than anything else, including, sadly, the truth.

Maybe the indictments will change people's minds but sadly I think even then, some will no doubt still say that AG Barr is just doing what Trump wants him to and that the rule of law no longer matters. How can so many people be so blind I do not know. Maybe people just hate Donald Trump so much that they are just incapable of, or just don't care to, see the truth of either him or what went on. I see them try to justify their hatred of him from time to time, always using stuff he has just supposedly said or done, but come on, the hatred was there from the moment he announced he was running. The liberal media were on his case with impeachment talk from inauguration day, and his political opponents, from long before that.

You’ve a real bright future in alternative history fiction. Phillip Roth would be proud.

The reality is that the Muller report doubt plenty of evidence that Russia interfered in 2016 and it resulted in plenty of criminal convictions of Trump campaign members.

Also the reality, not a single member of the Obama administration has been indicted on a single charge and none are people of concern in an active criminal investigation.

You say you love the truth. That’s the truth.

Quin_Dub

Not a lot of good news for Trump in the latest Fox News Poll

In the 2020 ballot test, Biden leads Trump by 48-40 percent. Biden’s 8-point advantage is outside the poll’s margin of error. However, given that 11 percent are undecided or plan to vote for someone else, neither candidate hits 50 percent support. The race could go either way.

Among voters who are extremely motivated about voting this fall, Biden has a 12-point advantage (53-41 percent). More Biden supporters (69 percent) than Trump supporters (63 percent) feel extremely motivated to vote.

Trump leads by 7 points among men and by 30 among rural whites. He won both groups by larger margins in 2016 (11 and 37 points respectively).

Biden leads by 20 points among women and 64 points among blacks. Compared to Hillary Clinton in 2016, he bests her performance among women (Clinton was +13) but lags among blacks (Clinton +81).

The 27-point gender gap is even larger than the record 24-point gap in 2016.

Biden makes inroads with two key groups: independents prefer him by 13 points and voters ages 65+ by 17 points. In 2016, Trump won independents by 4 and seniors by 7.

Biden lead Trump on everything but the economy , but Trumps lead there is a lot narrower than Bidens lead on everything else.


And potentially worse news for Trump on the economy



And then when asked when they think the economy will recover - Only about a 3rd think it will recover before November.

Carfacemandog

Brian? wrote: »

You’ve a real bright future in alternative history fiction. Phillip Roth would be proud.

The reality is that the Muller report doubt plenty of evidence that Russia interfered in 2016 and it resulted in plenty of criminal convictions of Trump campaign members.

Correction...

The Muller report CONCLUDED that Russia interfered in the US election to help Donald Trump.

A month or two back, a BIPARTISAN Senate Committee came to the same conclusion. One of the heads of that committee (Richard Burr) is now under criminal investigation for a crime he surely did commit, but that many other Republican senators also did, who have not had criminal investigations launched against them as they did not show disloyalty to Trump.

Blueshoe

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1263658320310796291?s=19


New tweet

ohnonotgmail

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1263658320310796291?s=19


New tweet

some context would be nice

ETA: found the context

https://twitter.com/SexCounseling/status/1263437088319406083

Kermit.de.frog

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1263658320310796291?s=19


New tweet

The man is not in a psychologically correct state.

It's sad actually.

Blueshoe

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The man is not in a psychologically correct state.

It's sad actually.

Really

https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1263659332543164423?s=09

The Nal

Guy doing the punching is a patient aswell.

Blueshoe

The Nal wrote: »

Guy doing the punching is a patient aswell.

In a nursing home? Also a second video of the pos beating up an old woman. Punched her square in the face while she was sleeping.

He's been arrested now apparently.
I couldn't figure out what Trump was tweeting about

The Nal

Blueshoe wrote: »

In a nursing home?

Seems so! Very odd.

greenfield21

I doubt trump even wants to get elected at this stage, has it even dawned on him yet that the US is unsavable. He will never win with china as they are the rising power and the US is in terminal decline- visiting manufacturing plants is pure propaganda just look at the manufacturing numbers in the us- they have been declining ever since he took office. I'd say even the US consumer doesn't give a crap about china as long they keep getting there cheap tat yet he keeps babbling on about them. His tax policies have also been a complete failure as we all know. If anything I'd say he can't wait to get out of office and take up that farage type position. Sit on the sidelines and tell everyone how right he was in the years ahead.