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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #3782
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    notobtuse wrote: »
    How many other countries are THE UNITED STATES OF_______?

    What's that got to do with anything? Either having a straight vote to see who wins is mob rule or it isn't.

    Is everything in America that doesn't use an electoral college type system mob rule?


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    #3783
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I’m enjoying reading trumps juvenile rage on Twitter I have to say. Sad!


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    #3784
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Which strategy is that?

    Apologize and get on with it. Normal people strategy.

    Did you see the clip of him on "the view" I think it's called.

    The "panel" ( nobodies and crackpots) kept asking him to apologise for different things. And he did. Then he got confused , stopped and started a few sentences then totally lost his train of thought followed by more apologies.
    Some operator. Weak as p1ss but seems genuine if a little lost


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    #3785
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    What's that got to do with anything? Either having a straight vote to see who wins is mob rule or it isn't.

    Is everything in America that doesn't use an electoral college type system Mon rule?
    We are The United States of America and have the electoral college elect the President of the US for a reason…
    The Electoral College was designed by the framers deliberately, like the rest of the Constitution, to counteract the worst human impulses and protect the nation from the dangers inherent in democracy. The Electoral College is neither antiquated nor toxic; it is an underappreciated institution that helps preserve our constitutional system, and it deserves a full-throated defense.

    Abolishing the Electoral College now might satisfy an irritated yearning for direct democracy, but it would also mean dismantling federalism. After that, there would be no sense in having a Senate (which, after all, represents the interests of the states), and eventually, no sense in even having states, except as administrative departments of the central government. We structure everything in our political system around the idea of a federation that divides power between states and the federal government — states had to ratify the Constitution through state conventions beginning in 1787; state legislatures are required for ratifying constitutional amendments; and even the Constitution itself can only be terminated by action of the states in a national convention. Federalism is in the bones of our nation, and abolishing the Electoral College would point toward doing away with the entire federal system.

    That is the system we to elect the president that is based on how our country was founded. Should I be telling you how your country should operate? I doubt you’d appreciate that.

    And regarding federal laws, we have the Senate that is involved in legislative measures. It also is a safeguard against mob rule.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3786
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Apologize and get on with it. Normal people strategy.

    Did you see the clip of him on "the view" I think it's called.

    The "panel" ( nobodies and crackpots) kept asking him to apologise for different things. And he did. Then he got confused , stopped and started a few sentences then totally lost his train of thought followed by more apologies.
    Some operator

    Can you post the clip I didn’t see this?


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    #3787
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    notobtuse wrote: »
    We are The United States of American and have the electoral college elect the President of the US for a reason…



    That is the system we to elect the president that is based on how our country was founded. Should I be telling you how your country should operate? I doubt you’d appreciate that.

    And regarding federal laws, we have the Senate that is involved in legislative measures. It also is a safeguard against mob rule.
    Yeah. I know the system exists. Thanks.

    I'm asking a question based on you saying a straight vote would be mob rule.

    Are all things voted on by a straight vote in America mob rule?


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    #3788
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Can you post the clip I didn’t see this?

    Couldn't find it on YouTube. Twitter only.

    7 women making accusations!!

    https://twitter.com/RaymondKooyenga/status/1265106968932278272?s=09


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    #3789
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 22,017 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    What should the libs/Dems do.. pull out pictures or instances of uncle Joe helping a black person?
    Would be better than pictures of creepy joe engaging in his sexual assaults.


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    #3790
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The use of the word abortion is problematic. It may have alternate meanings which you were connecting to this situation but it is triggering to some. It's most common usage isn't applicable to this scenario. Can you please apologise?

    Since when did you become custodian of the English language? A ridiculous plea.


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    #3791
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Yeah. I know the system exists. Thanks.

    I'm asking a question based on you saying a straight vote would be mob rule.

    Are all things voted on by a straight vote in America mob rule?
    Some are. We've now got the worst governor in our state's history because of mob rule.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3792
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,650 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    That's gas.

    When the person with more votes wins, it's 'mob rule'.

    Have you ever heard such horsesh!t.


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    #3793
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    osarusan wrote: »
    That's gas.

    When the person with more votes wins, it's 'mob rule'.

    Have you ever heard such horsesh!t.

    SF got the most votes but they didn't win


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    #3794
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    osarusan wrote: »
    That's gas.

    When the person with more votes wins, it's 'mob rule'.

    Have you ever heard such horsesh!t.
    Whatever. Fear of mob rule has been around since the founding of our nation.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/james-madison-mob-rule/568351/

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3795
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Some are. We've now got the worst governor in our state's history because of mob rule.

    Well that's not how it works.

    It's either always mob rule or it isn't. The system doesn't change because you don't get the result you want


    Trump prefers mob rule anyway

    https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/president-trump-reaffirms-his-long-standing-opposition-electoral-college-and-favors-nationwide-vote


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    #3796
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Since when did you become custodian of the English language? A ridiculous plea.

    Never claimed to be. People asking or wanting someone to apologise for using words that they chose to interpret as triggering is ridiculous?

    Interesting...


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    #3797
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Well that's not how it works.

    It's either always mob rule or it isn't. The system doesn't change because you don't get the result you want


    Trump prefers mob rule anyway

    https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/president-trump-reaffirms-his-long-standing-opposition-electoral-college-and-favors-nationwide-vote
    Trump hasn't always been right on everything and has on occasion been on the wrong side of history (his being a Democrat for many years affirms that). Luckily for us he tends to correct his mistakes and makes changes in his viewpoints.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3798
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    There's more convenient twists and turns in your defence than even the church covering the holes in the Bible


    I love how even when you don't agree with him he's not wrong, he's "not always right"

    There's a pathologic fear of ever admitting him being wrong. Even when he accuses people of murder without evidence.


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    #3799
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    SF got the most votes but they didn't win

    They got the most votes, not the majority of votes. That's a pretty simple difference.

    Clinton got the most votes and the majority of votes in 2016.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3800
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    There's more convenient twists and turns in your defence than even the church covering the holes in the Bible


    I love how even when you don't agree with him he's not wrong, he's "not always right"

    There's a pathologic fear of ever admitting him being wrong. Even when he accuses people of murder without evidence.
    I thought Trump was wrong on some of his total power boasts, particularly regarding federal government’s powers which are only limited to constitutionally approved subjects.

    Happy now?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3801
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    They got the most votes, not the majority of votes. That's a pretty simple difference.

    Clinton got the most votes and the majority of votes in 2016.

    Most is not a majority? So, It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is? We’ve dealt with that schematic nonsense over here, also.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3802
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Most is not a majority? So, It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is? We’ve dealt with that schematic nonsense over here, also.

    No , Most is not necessarily a Majority - It's a Plurality and may also be a majority.

    In the Binary system of the US Presidential Elections , yes Most = Majority

    But in jurisdictions where you have more than a binary choice , Most does not always equal Majority.


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    #3803
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Most is not a majority? So, It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is? We’ve dealt with that schematic nonsense over here, also.

    Most properly functioning democracies have more than 2 parties. I know this might blow your mind, but it's quite common for one party to
    Get the most votes in an Irish election and not get the majority of the votes.

    I can't remember the last time one party in Ireland got a majority. Usually we have coalition governments. I know this is shocking to an American, but in real democracies parties actually have to work together.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3804
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I thought Trump was wrong on some of his total power boasts, particularly regarding federal government’s powers which are only limited to constitutionally approved subjects.

    Happy now?

    If that's the only time you feel that Trump has been wrong, then you either have some serious personal issues, or all your dogs arent barking. Which I'm fairly sure is a quote from Die Hard with a Vengeance, but it fits pretty well with this situation.


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    #3805
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    There's more convenient twists and turns in your defence than even the church covering the holes in the Bible


    I love how even when you don't agree with him he's not wrong, he's "not always right"

    There's a pathologic fear of ever admitting him being wrong. Even when he accuses people of murder without evidence.
    I feel bad for how Trump’s words hurt the woman’s family. But you can’t have one set of standards for one party and another for the other.

    So, was it okay with you when a US senator read into the congressional record accusations without any evidence, that an honorable and accomplished judge being confirmed to the Supreme Court was a gang-rapist? How do you think his family felt?

    Or when nearly every single major mainstream news agency advocated for physical threats directed at a high school teenager for no other ‘crime’ than that of wearing a MAGA hat? How do you think his family felt?

    How about when Joe Scarborough joked on the Imus show about having an affair with an intern and then killing her? Why aren’t you condemning that?

    It is okay for Democrats and their media handmaidens to do those things but not Trump? So spare me your faux outrage.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3806
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    Most properly functioning democracies have more than 2 parties. I know this might blow your mind, but it's quite common for one party to
    Get the most votes in an Irish election and not get the majority of the votes.

    I can't remember the last time one party in Ireland got a majority. Usually we have coalition governments. I know this is shocking to an American, but in real democracies parties actually have to work together.
    So if I understand correctly you're criticizing the US for not having something you yourself don't even have?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3807
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Couldn't find it on YouTube. Twitter only.

    7 women making accusations!!

    https://twitter.com/RaymondKooyenga/status/1265106968932278272?s=09

    I've never seen a more doctored video in my life!


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    #3808
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    If that's the only time you feel that Trump has been wrong, then you either have some serious personal issues, or all your dogs arent barking. Which I'm fairly sure is a quote from Die Hard with a Vengeance, but it fits pretty well with this situation.
    Did I state it was the only time? It must be pretty boring living in a world of absolutes, interrupted by the occasional fantasy movie.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3809
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Trump appears to be too busy accusing an innocent man of murder to condemn the actual murder of George Floyd.


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    #3810
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,610 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Awesome. Trump wants to try some insulin, since he's heard its pretty good stuff.

    Please. Go ahead. The more the merrier, big dose good, Donny!

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1265381896600424448

    Cue the:"I was joking around to see if I could get a rise out of the media" defense in 3...2..1


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    #3811
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Awesome. Trump wants to try some insulin, since he's heard its pretty good stuff.

    Please. Go ahead. The more the merrier, big dose good, Donny!

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1265381896600424448

    Cue the:"I was joking around to see if I could get a rise out of the media" defense in 3...2..1
    You don't think he was trolling the biased media to make their collective heads explode? That's what he does... and they fall for it every time.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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