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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #4022
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Fancy that... Mail in ballot fraud is a real problem. So will Twitter rescind their fact-checking alert or do we need a fact-checker to fact-check Twitter's fact-checking?

    By the way...
    Twitter’s head of site integrity, Yoel Roth, has attacked President Trump and his team as ‘ACTUAL NAZIS” and smeared Trump voters as supporting a “racist tangerine.”

    I'm SUUUUURE there is no bias there at Twitter against Trump, right?

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/texas-ag-ken-paxton-trump-is-right-and-twitter-is-wrong-is-saying-mail-in-ballot-fraud-is-a-real-problem

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4023
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,985 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Fancy that... Mail in ballot fraud is a real problem. So will Twitter rescind their fact-checking alert or do we need a fact-checker to fact-check Twitter's fact-checking?

    By the way...



    I'm SUUUUURE there is no bias there at Twitter against Trump, right?

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/texas-ag-ken-paxton-trump-is-right-and-twitter-is-wrong-is-saying-mail-in-ballot-fraud-is-a-real-problem

    The sarcastic comment and the link dump doesn't make a case. If you have actual evidence then by all means post it. Random quotes do not suffice.

    It's not Twitter's fault that Trump is such a deeply flawed, weak little man.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4024
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Playing the victim

    Straight outta the Trump playbook :rolleyes:
    I don’t need to 'play' the victim.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4025
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    The sarcastic comment and the link dump doesn't make a case. If you have actual evidence then by all means post it. Random quotes do not suffice.

    It's not Twitter's fault that Trump is such a deeply flawed, weak little man.

    the irony about all this is that notobtuse would be the first to complain about freedom of speech being denied yet when his idol trump actually tries to curtail the free speech of twitter they do nothing. In fact they applaud trump for curtailing the free speech of twitter. notobtuse is the very definition of bias.


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    #4026
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,602 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I don’t need to 'play' the victim.

    We all see through your act don't worry.


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    #4027
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Fancy that... Mail in ballot fraud is a real problem. So will Twitter rescind their fact-checking alert or do we need a fact-checker to fact-check Twitter's fact-checking?

    By the way...



    I'm SUUUUURE there is no bias there at Twitter against Trump, right?

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/texas-ag-ken-paxton-trump-is-right-and-twitter-is-wrong-is-saying-mail-in-ballot-fraud-is-a-real-problem

    An opinion piece from a Republican on Fox...don't suppose you have actual evidence from an impartial source?


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    #4028
    [Deleted User]
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the irony about all this is that notobtuse would be the first to complain about freedom of speech being denied yet when his idol trump actually tries to curtail the free speech of twitter they do nothing. In fact they applaud trump for curtailing the free speech of twitter. notobtuse is the very definition of bias.

    What is the free speech trump is curtailing?


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    #4029
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 14,048 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I would like to see him banned and all of his millions and millions of followers to leave twitter.

    Twitter would be out of business overnight if they lost that number of accounts. Advertising revenue would plummet. Stock price would plummet.
    Please ban him

    Yeah, there are a good few names who could sink Twitter if they left and took their followers with them, although Trump may be the only one with a following so cultish that they'd actually follow through.


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    #4030
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is the free speech trump is curtailing?

    he wants to use the government to stop twitter saying that he is lying.


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    #4031
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,985 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the irony about all this is that notobtuse would be the first to complain about freedom of speech being denied yet when his idol trump actually tries to curtail the free speech of twitter they do nothing. In fact they applaud trump for curtailing the free speech of twitter. notobtuse is the very definition of bias.

    It's not bias, it's rank hypocrisy. They want free speech for themselves and actively want to censor any dissent. They can't because the one thing the founding fathers got right was limiting the capacity of a tyrant to establish a totalitarian dictatorship though I doubt that they thought that such a wretched creature as Trump would attain the presidency.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4032
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    briany wrote: »
    Yeah, there are a good few names who could sink Twitter if they left and took their followers with them, although Trump may be the only one with a following so cultish that they'd actually follow through.

    how many would actually leave if trump was banned? he is not even the biggest account. Obama has a lot more followers.


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    #4033
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    The sarcastic comment and the link dump doesn't make a case. If you have actual evidence then by all means post it. Random quotes do not suffice.

    It's not Twitter's fault that Trump is such a deeply flawed, weak little man.
    First off it is not a link dump. 'Random quotes do not suffice'... The Texas Attorney General interview does not suffice? Then what in the world would suffice? It was information provided by the actual Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton that mail in ballots lead to fraud... you know... they guy that actually prosecutes people for these things. And I provided the link because I'm always asked to provide the sources for my comments... saved a step.

    And it is Twitter's fault when they unfairly target Trump negatively with incorrect fact-checking.

    But I'll agree with you on one point... it could be considered sarcastic by some, but I'd say snarky is more accurate.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4034
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,985 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    notobtuse wrote: »
    First off it is not a link dump. 'Random quotes do not suffice'... The Texas Attorney General interview does not suffice? Then what in the world would suffice? It was information provided by the actual Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton that mail in ballots lead to fraud... you know... they guy that actually prosecutes people for these things. And I provided the link because I'm always asked to provide the sources for my comments... saved a step.

    And it is Twitter's fault when they unfairly target Trump negatively with incorrect fact-checking.

    But I'll agree with you on one point... it could be considered sarcastic by some, but I'd say snarky is more accurate.

    I wasn't talking about the mail in voter fraud. I've no idea whether or not it exists on a problematic scale and I won't be going to Fox News to find out.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4035
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    how many would actually leave if trump was banned? he is not even the biggest account. Obama has a lot more followers.

    Absolutely - He has ~80M followers , how many of those follow him to just to see what guff he's going to come out with vs. those that follow him because they genuinely fully support him ? .And of those, how many would actually leave the platform entirely if he left? They might also join where-ever he ended up but most would continue to use twitter for all the other reasons they use twitter besides Trump.

    Him leaving Twitter wouldn't really hurt them all that much to be honest.


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    #4036
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    how many would actually leave if trump was banned? he is not even the biggest account. Obama has a lot more followers.
    I'd say all of Trump's followers for one... and then all their followers. Plus many of those that hate Trump also follow him, and how long would they suffer having to deal with two different types of similar social media commenting platforms. So in the end a biggly number, I'd say.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4037
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I'd say all of Trump's followers for one... and then all their followers. Plus many of those that hate Trump also follow him, and how long would they suffer having to deal with two different types of similar social media commenting platforms. So in the end a biggly number, I'd say.

    ALL of trumps followers? all 80m of them? even the ones who follow him out of idle curiousity for whatever tonedeaf, abusive, idiotic thing he will say next?


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    #4038
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I'd say all of Trump's followers for one... and then all their followers. Plus many of those that hate Trump also follow him, and how long would they suffer having to deal with two different types of similar social media commenting platforms. So in the end a biggly number, I'd say.

    Not a chance , a tiny % might leave but most will stay put because they'll still want to follow Kim Kardashian or whoever.

    Trump leaving Twitter would be a huge boon to wherever he ended up for sure , but the net impact to Twitter would barely register in terms of overall users.


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    #4039
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I wasn't talking about the mail in voter fraud. I've no idea whether or not it exists on a problematic scale and I won't be going to Fox News to find out.
    Oh, okay. The quote is also found on the Fox News link. You can go there... they don't bite.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4040
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Not a chance , a tiny % might leave but most will stay put because they'll still want to follow Kim Kardashian or whoever.

    Trump leaving Twitter would be a huge boon to wherever he ended up for sure , but the net impact to Twitter would barely register in terms of overall users.
    You're might be right. The lawsuits that are now sure to happen because the makeup of Twitter culture will probably be targeting mostly people on the right and therefore bring Twitter down faster than Trump leaving.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4041
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,602 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I'd say all of Trump's followers for one... and then all their followers. Plus many of those that hate Trump also follow him, and how long would they suffer having to deal with two different types of similar social media commenting platforms. So in the end a biggly number, I'd say.

    Nope, not a chance. Many follow him to see what shìte hen is spouting and to laugh at his stupidity. A million maybe two would leave, no more than that.


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    #4042
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the irony about all this is that notobtuse would be the first to complain about freedom of speech being denied yet when his idol trump actually tries to curtail the free speech of twitter they do nothing. In fact they applaud trump for curtailing the free speech of twitter. notobtuse is the very definition of bias.
    How long is your attention span? The very first comment I made on this I noted there is probably nothing Trump can actually do other than talk about it from the bully pulpit. And he is right to complain against the injustice that Twitter did to him.

    Trump can personally sue Twitter, though... that would be cool.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4043
    extra gravy
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Nope, not a chance. Many follow him to see what shìte hen is spouting and to laugh at his stupidity. A million maybe two would leave, no more than that.

    Just had a look there and about 40 accounts I follow, follow him and not one of them would leave if he left. As you said, plenty follow him for the laugh.


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    #4044
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    How long is your attention span? The very first comment I made on this I noted there is probably nothing Trump can actually do other than talk about it from the bully pulpit. And he is right to complain against the injustice that Twitter did to him.

    Trump can personally sue Twitter, though... that would be cool.

    he has asked the government to investigate Twitter. what is that other than an attempt to censor?


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    #4045
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,602 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    How long is your attention span? The very first comment I made on this I noted there is probably nothing Trump can actually do other than talk about it from the bully pulpit. And he is right to complain against the injustice that Twitter did to him.

    Trump can personally sue Twitter, though... that would be cool.

    Considering he has no legal grounds upon which to sue that would be a hoot.


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    #4046
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    he has asked the government to investigate Twitter. what is that other than an attempt to censor?
    Trump has the right to ask. And Barr has the right to refuse as he has in the past. Barr is the type of guy to easily say 'no way' unless he saw merit in an investigation.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4047
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Trump has the right to ask. And Barr has the right to refuse as he has in the past. Barr is the type of guy to easily say 'no way' unless he saw merit in an investigation.

    LOL. Barr is trumps lapdog. he does what he is told. but evif barr refused to investigate it is still an attempt by trump to censor twitter. Even if the attempt fails it is still an attempt.


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    #4048
    [Deleted User]
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    I'd say all of Trump's followers for one... and then all their followers. Plus many of those that hate Trump also follow him, and how long would they suffer having to deal with two different types of similar social media commenting platforms. So in the end a biggly number, I'd say.
    There's 330 million users of twitter, the number that will leave twitter entirely because of Trump leaving or being banned would be low. I'm reminded of when the exodus to Gab was supposed to destroy the platform.


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    #4049
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Should I flag your post and provide an alert to warn readers that your comment is a lie because I FEEL they were in fact attacks and I'm not thin skinned? :p

    If you classify those criticisms as vicious attacks, your skin must be paper thin.

    There’s a report post button. Go ahead.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #4050
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    If he didn't lie the fact checking wouldn't be a problem. All the other limp d!ck excuses that his supporters dredge up on here and elsewhere are just pathetic noise.

    Since Biden doesn't tweet lies I doubt he will be fact checked. What would be the point?


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    #4051
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    he has asked the government to investigate Twitter. what is that other than an attempt to censor?
    What, you don’t think Trump has the right to an opinion and ask for an investigation of wrongdoing as everyone else? It's only if he takes some kind of questionable action on the matter that it would become an issue.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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