2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Rockbeast2

I'm very close to a white American family with members living in both Minneapolis and Austin. These people have always considered themselves "liberal" and would never have dreamed of not voting Democrat.

They will all be voting for Trump this year. They genuinely feel unsafe now in their homes and day-to-day business. They believe many others feel the same and will now vote Trump.

Rioting in "Blue States/cities" can only help Trump's campaign. It will resolve the "Red States" and potentially flip many voters to Trump. As things stood, he was never going to win these places, now he will likely win more votes and has a chance to win the popular vote in addition to still being IMO 50/50 to be re-elected.

This is not the way to remove Trump from office. Rioting, looting, arson and assaulting law enforcement is only strengthening Trump's position.
It WILL flip middle-class white liberals in Blue areas to Trump.

Danzy

ELM327 wrote: »

Posts like this in America (like hillary's "deplorable" remark) are the reason that Trump won last time.
People don't like being told that their opinion is stupid just because someone as condescending as you disagrees with them.

If activists can't point out how better they are than everyone else then they won't do it.

If it turns off the electorate they don't care, being morally purer, peer reviews, that's all that matters. They'll double down as it increases their struggle against evil. It's the problem that always destroys the Socialist revolution, splinters the left repeatedly, given they hold the holy truth and analysis, it must be internal heretics, deplorables, false consciousness, etc when something goes wrong. Those evil people must be purged.

There is little difference in manner and mindset between political evangelicals or Social justice activists.

The broader left now is dominated by people who would have been 1950s Priests and they are still screaming from the pulpit.

That maybe the result of declining organized belief systems,so a substitute religion has been found, ties in with the modern left being near middle class dominated.

Lot of it is that some people just feel the need to be superior to others and let rip on others.

Bobeagleburger

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

I'm very close to a white American family with members living in both Minneapolis and Austin. These people have always considered themselves "liberal" and would never have dreamed of not voting Democrat.

They will all be voting for Trump this year. They genuinely feel unsafe now in their homes and day-to-day business. They believe many others feel the same and will now vote Trump.

Rioting in "Blue States/cities" can only help Trump's campaign. It will resolve the "Red States" and potentially flip many voters to Trump. As things stood, he was never going to win these places, now he will likely win more votes and has a chance to win the popular vote in addition to still being IMO 50/50 to be re-elected.

This is not the way to remove Trump from office. Rioting, looting, arson and assaulting law enforcement is only strengthening Trump's position.
It WILL flip middle-class white liberals in Blue areas to Trump.

And his mismanagement of Covid 19 might flip them back!

ELM327

6 wrote: »

And his mismanagement of Covid 19 might flip them back!

The mismanagement is at state level, not federal
POTUS is actually quite limited in his powers here.

Rockbeast2

6 wrote: »

And his mismanagement of Covid 19 might flip them back!

Yesterday's news, unfortunately. A visible "threat" (no matter how ridiculous that may seem to us looking on) supercedes any invisible one, in their eyes at least.

Bobeagleburger

ELM327 wrote: »

The mismanagement is at state level, not federal
POTUS is actually quite limited in his powers here.

He was denying it while it was a threat. The guy has no credability.

amdublin

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

I'm very close to a white American family with members living in both Minneapolis and Austin. These people have always considered themselves "liberal" and would never have dreamed of not voting Democrat.

They will all be voting for Trump this year. They genuinely feel unsafe now in their homes and day-to-day business. They believe many others feel the same and will now vote Trump.

Rioting in "Blue States/cities" can only help Trump's campaign. It will resolve the "Red States" and potentially flip many voters to Trump. As things stood, he was never going to win these places, now he will likely win more votes and has a chance to win the popular vote in addition to still being IMO 50/50 to be re-elected.

This is not the way to remove Trump from office. Rioting, looting, arson and assaulting law enforcement is only strengthening Trump's position.
It WILL flip middle-class white liberals in Blue areas to Trump.

Well this reads like a big fib.

But hey! Thanks for posting an anecdote about one family and why Trump (who is doing nothing to quell these riots) will get their (and anecedotedly other families) vote this year

amdublin

ELM327 wrote: »

The best thing for the democrats would be if biden died, then they could select a realistic candidate.

???

The democrats chose him. He doesn't need to die. They could have chosen others.

They want Joe Biden.

Biden imo opinion is a good strong career politician candidate. Many democrats this year are "blue no matter who"

Watch out Trump come November

Rockbeast2

amdublin wrote: »

Well this reads like a big fib.

But hey! Thanks for posting an anecdote about one family and why Trump (who is doing nothing to quell these riots) will get their (and anecedotedly other families) vote this year

I don't you need you to believe me. If it's easier for you to not believe me then go right ahead. I'm not here to score points. Only to note the reality of one particular white middle-class liberal family I know.

Bury your head in the sand, stick your fingers in your ears, for all I care.

ELM327

amdublin wrote: »

???

The democrats chose him. He doesn't need to die. They could have chosen others.

They want Joe Biden.

Biden imo opinion is a good strong career politician candidate. Many democrats this year are "blue no matter who"

Watch out Trump come November

I can't see biden winning. He doesnt take much of the younger vote. The black vote is a small percentage and hilary already took >90% of that last time so it's irrelevant anyway.


Trump just needs to win the bible belt, the midwest, and a couple of swing states to win the college votes. And, I think he will. It's not going to be as close as 2016 either. Hilary had a lot of the feminist groups actively campaigning for her. They arent going to clamor for creepy Joe the rapist in the same way.

lapua20grain

ELM327 wrote: »

Thats the most likely.
Noone who voted trump last time will vote for creepy joe this time.




So - do they not vote, or vote for the donald again?
I'd be the latter if I had a vote.

Creepy Joe, how old are you? Childish name calling

amdublin

ELM327 wrote: »

I can't see biden winning. He doesnt take much of the younger vote. The black vote is a small percentage and hilary already took >90% of that last time so it's irrelevant anyway.


Trump just needs to win the bible belt, the midwest, and a couple of swing states to win the college votes. And, I think he will. It's not going to be as close as 2016 either. Hilary had a lot of the feminist groups actively campaigning for her. They arent going to clamor for xxxxxxxx××××××××

Well considering the last sentence is untrue and is republican propaganda, you'd be surprised

ELM327

lapua20grain wrote: »

Creepy Joe, how old are you? Childish name calling

He's got multiple sexual assault allegations.

amdublin wrote: »

Well considering the last sentence is untrue and is republican propaganda, you'd be surprised

Funny how the presumption of innocence applies to Biden but not Kavanaugh isnt it?

Boggles

Trump is gone in November if the elections go ahead.

It's been a train wreck from the start.

Wouldn't surprise me if he thinks of some excuse to pull out.

amdublin

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

I don't you need you to believe me. If it's easier for you to not believe me then go right ahead. I'm not here to score points. Only to note the reality of one particular white middle-class liberal family I know.

Bury your head in the sand, stick your fingers in your ears, for all I care.

Ok I believe you. Clearly Trump will win because of this one family in your story. The couple of others will make it a landslide

(Reminder again: Trump is not doing much good at the moment, standing in front of a church with an upside down bible, what kind of Democrat will feel safer because of that and vote for him?)

lapua20grain

ELM327 wrote: »

He's got multiple sexual assault allegations.





Funny how the presumption of innocence applies to Biden but not Kavanaugh isnt it?

Is that not enshrined in the US constitution innocent until Proven guilty? Trump has multiple sexual assault allegations as well so why not use a childish name for him? Double standards methinks

amdublin

ELM327 wrote: »

He's got multiple sexual assault allegations.

None with any basis.

And you took the above and turned it in to your original sentence... Classy

ELM327

lapua20grain wrote: »

Is that not enshrined in the US constitution innocent until Proven guilty? Trump has multiple sexual assault allegations as well so why not use a childish name for him? Double standards methinks

It is but it wasnt applied to Kavanaugh by the left.
So what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Rockbeast2

amdublin wrote: »

Clearly Trump will win because of this one family in your story. The couple of others will make it a landslide

You are actually proposing that is what I stated in my post?

LOL From a "Mod" and all. Grow up.

ELM327

amdublin wrote: »

None with any basis.

And you took the above and turned it in to your original sentence... Classy

I have no idea what the second bit is about,.


But it's not for us to decide whats with basis.
Women should be believed. Biden said that himself during the Kavanaugh hearings.

ELM327

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

You are actually proposing that is what I stated in my post?

LOL From a "Mod" and all. Grow up.

They are not a mod in this forum, just another poster.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

He's got multiple sexual assault allegations.





Funny how the presumption of innocence applies to Biden but not Kavanaugh isnt it?

Trump has 19 sexual assault allegations or thereabouts. Biden has one that has lost all steam due to issues of credibility. Eg no complaint turned up in relation to Biden that. Biden was also heavily vetted when becoming vp in the first place.

crossman47

Boggles wrote: »

Trump is gone in November if the elections go ahead.

It's been a train wreck from the start.

Wouldn't surprise me if he thinks of some excuse to pull out.

Much as I'd like to believe so, I don't. I agree with the poster who said the rioting will help him.

Last time I felt that Americans couldn't possibly elect Trump but they did. Now I find it impossible to underestimate the intelligence of a wide raft of the electorate so I can see Trump winning again.

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

Trump has 19 sexual assault allegations or thereabouts. Biden has one that has lost all steam due to issues of credibility. Eg no complaint turned up in relation to Biden that. Biden was also heavily vetted when becoming vp in the first place.

He was vetted by the democrats.


It lost steam because the record from the 70's was not correctly worded. That's BS. He assaulted that woman.

Rockbeast2

If the Democrats were running someone, anyone, young and energetic against Trump in this election, I would be very confident of that candidate winning.

Instead they are running Biden, a not so spritely candidate who will be 78 in November. Biden's time was 2016. I think he would have won by a good margin then. But the divisive Clinton had to have her shot...

Make no mistake, this election will be extremely tight again, but with two poor candidates I will favour the incumbent slightly. Still a long way to go and anything can happen in 2020, especially with Trump involved.

eagle eye

amdublin wrote:

Well this reads like a big fib.
But hey! Thanks for posting an anecdote about one family and why Trump (who is doing nothing to quell these riots) will get their (and anecedotedly other families) vote this year

This reads like a fib to me.

eagle eye

ELM327 wrote:

He's got multiple sexual assault allegations.

There's one as far as I'm aware? Can you enlighten us further?

notobtuse

Voted in our primary this morning. Had three republican candidates for POTUS to choose from. Went with Trump without any reservations.

And I voted in person, not by mail in voting. Surely I will catch COVID19 and die because I voted in person, right?

eagle eye

amdublin wrote:

None with any basis.
And you took the above and turned it in to your original sentence... Classy

Were you there when this alleged incident didn't take place?
How can you decide it has no basis if you weren't?

eagle eye

crossman47 wrote:

Much as I'd like to believe so, I don't. I agree with the poster who said the rioting will help him.
Last time I felt that Americans couldn't possibly elect Trump but they did. Now I find it impossible to underestimate the intelligence of a wide raft of the electorate so I can see Trump winning again.

It's clear you are not but you'll probably be accused of being a Trump supporter for suggesting that he could win.