2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

notobtuse

Quin_Dub wrote: »

If you say so - It's Factually accurate though.

The highest levels of support that Trump gets for his Immigration policies and the wall for example come from States that have limited to no exposure to Immigration , illegal or otherwise. Actual border states and towns aren't that supportive , but white people in Rural Iowa and the like love it.

In terms of Election preferences

Black Voters - 76% to 12% in favour of Biden
Hispanic - 59% to 28% in favour of Trump

Trump sending in the National Guard of the Army to "Dominate" the streets is not going to win him more support among those groups above.

At best it energises his existing base , it absolutely won't grow his base , which is what needs to happen if he wants to win.

I think Trump is doing a great job on this and I have both exposure and understanding of a multi-racial society and don’t agree with the subtle superficial accusation of anti-black racism.

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

I think Trump is doing a great job on this and I have both exposure and understanding of a multi-racial society and don’t agree with the subtle superficial accusation of anti-black racism.

Apologies , it wasn't my intention to be subtle.

notobtuse

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Apologies , it wasn't my intention to be subtle.

Superficial apology acknowledged.

notobtuse

A little aside on the riots and their effect on the election.

A guy took control of a situation in not letting riots get out of hand because of the ineffectiveness of some local law enforcement agencies.

The guy brought a dozen crates of bees to a Wisconsin protest and threatened to release them in case the protest descended into riots.

“The riot control bees are in their holding yard waiting to clear the streets of Janesville and keep peace to this county. I’m willing to bring them in and kick them over if things get out of control”

Police found out the guy’s plan on Facebook and asked him to leave as they apparently had the situation under control.

I bet this guy gets a call from Trump.

The Nal

notobtuse wrote: »

A little aside on the riots and their effect on the election.

A guy took control of a situation in not letting riots get out of hand because of the ineffectiveness of some local law enforcement agencies.

The guy brought a dozen crates of bees to a Wisconsin protest and threatened to release them in case the protest descended into riots.

“The riot control bees are in their holding yard waiting to clear the streets of Janesville and keep peace to this county. I’m willing to bring them in and kick them over if things get out of control”

Police found out the guy’s plan on Facebook and asked him to leave as they apparently had the situation under control.

I bet this guy gets a call from Trump.

eagle eye

My viewing of this thread is vile hatred from the anti-Trump brigade. I don't know how you can live in your minds with such hatred all the time.
We have Trump supporters, a small few and they've more manners for the most part than the anti-Trump brigade.
I'd have expected it to be the other way around.
It's just ugly reading through all the filthy, nasty posts constantly put up by the anti-Trump crowd. The distain they treat anybody supporting Trump with is deplorable.
I see very few real democrats in here because they are never like that or at least weren't. The party has sunk low over the past five or so years.
It used to be upstanding Democrats and ruthless, underhand Republicans in my view.
Now it's the anti-Trump brigade who I'd liken to Trump the man more than anyone else with their horrible attitudes.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

A little aside on the riots and their effect on the election.

A guy took control of a situation in not letting riots get out of hand because of the ineffectiveness of some local law enforcement agencies.

The guy brought a dozen crates of bees to a Wisconsin protest and threatened to release them in case the protest descended into riots.

“The riot control bees are in their holding yard waiting to clear the streets of Janesville and keep peace to this county. I’m willing to bring them in and kick them over if things get out of control”

Police found out the guy’s plan on Facebook and asked him to leave as they apparently had the situation under control.

I bet this guy gets a call from Trump.

I hear Trump is going to call Montgomery Burns as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeqkoTY61U0

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

A little aside on the riots and their effect on the election.

The most unique manner of an ordinary man taking control of the situation in not letting riots get out of hand because of the ineffectiveness of some local law enforcement agencies.

A guy brought a dozen crates of bees to a Wisconsin protest and threatened to release them in case the protest descended into riots.

“The riot control bees are in their holding yard waiting to clear the streets of Janesville and keep peace to this county. I’m willing to bring them in and kick them over if things get out of control”

Police found out the guy’s plan on Facebook and asked him to leave as they apparently had the situation under control.

I bet this guy gets a call from Trump.

Ah yes , the old "President supports stupid attempt at vigilantism" in an attempt to appear "tough" to his base.

On point at least.

The Nal

eagle eye wrote: »

My viewing of this thread is vile hatred from the anti-Trump brigade. I don't know how you can live in your minds with such hatred all the time.
We have Trump supporters, a small few and they've more manners for the most part than the anti-Trump brigade.
I'd have expected it to be the other way around.
It's just ugly reading through all the filthy, nasty posts constantly put up by the anti-Trump crowd. The distain they treat anybody supporting Trump with is deplorable.
I see very few real democrats in here because they are never like that or at least weren't. The party has sunk low over the past five or so years.
It used to be upstanding Democrats and ruthless, underhand Republicans in my view.
Now it's the anti-Trump brigade who I'd liken to Trump the man more than anyone else with their horrible attitudes.

To be honest I find most of the adulation and condemnation really cringing. Doesn't matter who its for or against. Was the same for the Irish love of Obama and the hatred of McCain/Romney.

Majority on here are Irish. A lot of their values aren't comparable to us. I think both parties are deeply flawed. We've no control over this outside of "winning" some petty point, usually on social media. To love or hate politicians (mostly odd self serving people anyway) is just weird.

Timberrrrrrrr

eagle eye wrote: »

My viewing of this thread is vile hatred from the anti-Trump brigade. I don't know how you can live in your minds with such hatred all the time.
We have Trump supporters, a small few and they've more manners for the most part than the anti-Trump brigade.
I'd have expected it to be the other way around.
It's just ugly reading through all the filthy, nasty posts constantly put up by the anti-Trump crowd. The distain they treat anybody supporting Trump with is deplorable.
I see very few real democrats in here because they are never like that or at least weren't. The party has sunk low over the past five or so years.
It used to be upstanding Democrats and ruthless, underhand Republicans in my view.
Now it's the anti-Trump brigade who I'd liken to Trump the man more than anyone else with their horrible attitudes.

I don't "hate" Trump, I do dislike him though, I dislike anyone who cheats on his wife with a porn star after their wife gave birth to their child, I dislike racists, I dislike perverts who walk into changing rooms where teenagers are in a state of undress and I dislike liars.

Trump is all of the above, that's why I dislike him.

notobtuse

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Ah yes , the old "President supports stupid attempt at vigilantism" in an attempt to appear "tough" to his base.

On point at least.

I would say a tad ingenious rather than stupid.

Regardless, better than dropping bombs from aircraft on the rioters as one poster falsely claimed Trump promised to do.

DrPhilG

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so it isn't hypocritical for evangelists to support a man who is the antithesis of what they claim to believe in?

Option A - vote for an extremely immoral sleezeball who checks every box on the 7 deadly sins and sees the 10 commandments as goals to achieve rather than to avoid.

Option B - vote for an apparently good moral man (although there is an assault allegation, albeit unproven).

Option A is a Republican who, simply by the nature of his party, be more in favour of religious freedom and anti abortion.

Option B is a Democrat. Moderate Dem or not, he will support abortion, and place religious freedom bottom of his to do list.

It's not a question of stupidity for the evangelical vote. It's a question of common sense and seeing the bigger picture. Option A may be a vile human being but Option B works much more in opposition to their views and faith and will have a more negative effect on them in the long term.

They can see that, you can't. But THEY'RE the stupid ones?

DrPhilG

lapua20grain wrote: »

Or pervy Trump? The man that said he would date his daughter

Again with the deliberate twisting of the facts.

He said that if she WAS NOT his daughter, he would date her.

That is a seriously sick and pervy thing to say. Yet you have to go the extra mile and twist it to make it worse.

Why do that? It's awful in its own right. But twist it and now it sounds even worse, but it's "fake news".

It's like the bleach drinking saga all over again.

eagle eye

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

I don't "hate" Trump, I do dislike him though, I dislike anyone who cheats on his wife with a porn star after their wife gave birth to their child, I dislike racists, I dislike perverts who walk into changing rooms where teenagers are in a state of undress and I dislike liars.
Trump is all of the above, that's why I dislike him.

I despise the man but I'm not going around posting nasty stuff all the time.
It'd be nice to see a level-headed discussion where posters have respect for each other.

dundalkfc10

DrPhilG wrote: »

Option A - vote for an extremely immoral sleezeball who checks every box on the 7 deadly sins and sees the 10 commandments as goals to achieve rather than to avoid.

Option B - vote for an apparently good moral man (although there is an assault allegation, albeit unproven).

Option A is a Republican who, simply by the nature of his party, be more in favour of religious freedom and anti abortion.

Option B is a Democrat. Moderate Dem or not, he will support abortion, and place religious freedom bottom of his to do list.

It's not a question of stupidity for the evangelical vote. It's a question of common sense and seeing the bigger picture. Option A may be a vile human being but Option B works much more in opposition to their views and faith and will have a more negative effect on them in the long term.

They can see that, you can't. But THEY'RE the stupid ones?

As it should be

eagle eye

dundalkfc10 wrote:

As it should be

If he's not thanking God he's not getting in the White House. That's just the way it is over there.

Overheal

Brian? wrote: »

The wall is nearly built? I think they've actually spent the last 3 years fixing old sections of fence. Last I heard there wasn't much new wall built.

Something like 12 miles is actually new I think

Carfacemandog

DrPhilG wrote: »

Option A - vote for an extremely immoral sleezeball who checks every box on the 7 deadly sins and sees the 10 commandments as goals to achieve rather than to avoid.

Option B - vote for an apparently good moral man (although there is an assault allegation, albeit unproven).

Option A is a Republican who, simply by the nature of his party, be more in favour of religious freedom and anti abortion.

Option B is a Democrat. Moderate Dem or not, he will support abortion, and place religious freedom bottom of his to do list.

It's not a question of stupidity for the evangelical vote. It's a question of common sense and seeing the bigger picture. Option A may be a vile human being but Option B works much more in opposition to their views and faith and will have a more negative effect on them in the long term.

They can see that, you can't. But THEY'RE the stupid ones?

There is also another variable you missed, which is that the religious in America initially had very little issue with abortion for the most part - what galvanised them as a group into becoming the 'religious right' was being forced to share the private schools they had moved their kids into en-masse following desegregation, with black kids. They are literally a movement founded on racism as their common ground, and this is why they love Trump so dearly despite him being everything they (logically, to an outsider) should be against and have very little issue at all with sharing the same space as the alt right and neo Nazis/white supremacists.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Voted in our primary this morning. Had three republican candidates for POTUS to choose from. Went with Trump without any reservations.

And I voted in person, not by mail in voting. Surely I will catch COVID19 and die because I voted in person, right?

Such brave

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Trump was a complete outsider and has changed all the rules for the republican party. Most don’t know what to really think of him but luckily his actions speak louder than his words which has strangely united us.

Oh that explains the Lincoln Project then: a whole faction of Republicans who are campaigning against his re election.

Billy Mays

DrPhilG wrote: »

Option A - vote for an extremely immoral sleezeball who checks every box on the 7 deadly sins and sees the 10 commandments as goals to achieve rather than to avoid.

Option B - vote for an apparently good moral man (although there is an assault allegation, albeit unproven).

Option A is a Republican who, simply by the nature of his party, be more in favour of religious freedom and anti abortion.

Option B is a Democrat. Moderate Dem or not, he will support abortion, and place religious freedom bottom of his to do list.

It's not a question of stupidity for the evangelical vote. It's a question of common sense and seeing the bigger picture. Option A may be a vile human being but Option B works much more in opposition to their views and faith and will have a more negative effect on them in the long term.

They can see that, you can't. But THEY'RE the stupid ones?

I understand what you're saying about evangelicals holding their nose and voting for Trump. For a large amount of them though it's not just that, they actually worship the guy and think he's been sent to Earth as part of God's plan.

The same people who donate tens of millions of dollars to conmen from the tv who live in massive mansions and fly around the world in private jets preaching the word of God.

Maybe stupid is the wrong word. Let'd go with gullible instead.

In relation to religious freedoms... They don't tend to get reduced under any president. So that point seems irrelevant.

Carfacemandog

Deleted User wrote: »

In relation to religious freedoms... They don't tend to get reduced under any president. So that point seems irrelevant.

Not necessarily true when a good chunk of the 'religious right' consider not being allowed to discriminate against gay people, minorities, etc as being part of these "religious freedoms".

Carfacemandog

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Not necessarily true when a good chunk of the 'religious right' consider not being allowed to discriminate against gay people, minorities, etc as being part of these "religious freedoms".

True but also a lot of those specific things they want to discriminate on aren't constitutionally legal. So the fact they were ever getting away with is the bigger issue.

Carfacemandog

eagle eye wrote: »

My viewing of this thread is vile hatred from the anti-Trump brigade. I don't know how you can live in your minds with such hatred all the time.

I love that this post got thanked by someone who has been calling for people to be massacred for taking up an offer for shelter in someone's home in order to avoid being tear gassed!

Carfacemandog

Deleted User wrote: »

True but also a lot of those specific things they want to discriminate on aren't constitutionally legal. So the fact they were ever getting away with is the bigger issue.

A good few of them yeah, but if I recall Trump made a few changes in his first year or so which allowed some of these things to become legal again, if I recall more specifically towards LGBT people than racial minorities.

namloc1980

Love the way Trump supporters twist themselves into knots trying to explain that Trump's inane ramblings actually have meaning.

Quin_Dub

DrPhilG wrote: »

Option A - vote for an extremely immoral sleezeball who checks every box on the 7 deadly sins and sees the 10 commandments as goals to achieve rather than to avoid.

Option B - vote for an apparently good moral man (although there is an assault allegation, albeit unproven).

Option A is a Republican who, simply by the nature of his party, be more in favour of religious freedom and anti abortion.

Option B is a Democrat. Moderate Dem or not, he will support abortion, and place religious freedom bottom of his to do list.

It's not a question of stupidity for the evangelical vote. It's a question of common sense and seeing the bigger picture. Option A may be a vile human being but Option B works much more in opposition to their views and faith and will have a more negative effect on them in the long term.

They can see that, you can't. But THEY'RE the stupid ones?

It comes down to people taking the view that the ends justify the means which I struggle to rationalise.

I get the Conservative vs. Liberal viewpoint , but suggesting that Trump is the ONLY choice available to them is disingenuous.

They could have voted for one of the other candidates during the primaries back in 2016 .
They could have voiced their displeasure with his behavior at any time during the last 3 years providing the rest of the GOP the requisite air-cover to rein in his baser instincts.
They could have supported an alternate candidate for the primaries for 2020.

They didn't do any of those things , so it's not that he's the only choice for them to get the policies they want , it's that they have decided they like him.

That's the problem.

notobtuse

Carfacemandog wrote: »

I love that this post got thanked by someone who has been calling for people to be massacred for taking up an offer for shelter in someone's home in order to avoid being tear gassed!

Please show where someone was calling for people to be massacred.

I think you just proved the poster's point.

MurDawg

Bookies have Trump and Biden as evens

First time ive seen them level