2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

ExMachina1000

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

How's the deficit doing since Trump got elected?

Can you counter my point

PropJoe10

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Economically speaking Trump has actually been an excellent president

Superficially, you could claim that. But it only takes even a little bit of research to shoot that claim out of the water. Pretty similar to everything that comes out of Trump's mouth - do just a little research and you discover that what he's saying isn't in fact the truth.

eagle eye

Professor Moriarty wrote:

I'd apologise if I believed you.

Ignore list for you so. Goodbye.

eagle eye

ExMachina1000 wrote:

Can you counter my point

Don't bother with him, he'll accuse you if being a liar in a minute without a good reason for it.

Professor Moriarty

eagle eye wrote: »

Ignore list for you so. Goodbye.

Goodbye.

Professor Moriarty

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Can you counter my point

I will when you answer the question I've asked you twice now.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

I have no idea what you're going on about.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1268227785752862731?s=20

Professor Moriarty

eagle eye wrote: »

Don't bother with him, he'll accuse you if being a liar in a minute without a good reason for it.

Untrue.

pjohnson

Is using the ignore list not obstructing #FreeSpeech that Trump fans used to care about?

ExMachina1000

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I will when you answer the question I've asked you twice now.

I believe I got in first. But to appease you I will say that the deficit has grown.

Now your turn

ExMachina1000

pjohnson wrote: »

Is using the ignore list not obstructing #FreeSpeech that Trump fans used to care about?

Pretty sure everyone in the western world cares about free speech. It's a pillar of democracy.

Those in China, north Korea and much of the middle east don't have such luxury. It's not really a point you can use as a "gotcha"

Overheal

DeanAustin wrote: »

On the stock market though, the Dow was at about 19,000 when he took over and had gone as high as 29,000 before Covid. On the face of it, that's remarkable given that it had grown for 6-7 years at a similarly rapid pace under Obama from a very low base after the financial crash. I don't like Trump but he can point to the market as one sign of how well he did economically.

How he influenced that growth is another question. The Corporate Tax Cut did fuel some of the growth though to be fair.

Of course the stock market grew. That’s what the tax cuts and jobs act was for. Obama didn’t opt to sign in fiscally reckless tax changes.

A sugar high for the economy that so far has costs trillions. $5T of debt added under Trump! Sure doesn’t seem like this “booming economy” is paying it back. And at the first sign of trouble it crashed back to before he was even President.

Spanish Eyes

Does anyone know if the Dem VP candidate has been nominated yet?

eagle eye

pjohnson wrote: »

Is using the ignore list not obstructing #FreeSpeech that Trump fans used to care about?

I'm not a Trump fan if that's aimed at me. Maybe you should read the thread and see some of the stuff I've put up about Trump and you'd realise that.

I'm against both leading candidates for Presidency. I'm still hoping, as unlikely as it is, that another candidate comes out of the DNC as the nominee.

eagle eye

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Dem VP candidate has been nominated yet?

No, that won't happen until the nominee is confirmed.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

I have no idea what you're going on about.

He mailed in his ballot. Trump said mail in ballots are fraudulent. Therefore he committed voter fraud. His press secretary committed fraud 11 times

ChikiChiki

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1268227785752862731?s=20

Oh dear, the irony of this

The man never stops giving pure golden content in fairness.

Overheal

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Oh dear, the irony of this

The man never stops giving pure golden content in fairness.

He gaslights about everything he does or will do himself.

“VOTER FRAUD!” /attempts voter fraud

Professor Moriarty

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I believe I got in first. But to appease you I will say that the deficit has grown.

Now your turn

Prior to the pandemic, the deficit grew by 74% since Trump took over. Selling American children's futures to feed his ego.

The stock market has grown but cui bono? Billionaires have been the winners. Also gap between rich and poor has grown under Trump. Who did the 2017 tax cuts benefit most? The very wealthy. So the people who have benefited most from the stock market have been the very wealthy and those who benefited least have been the poor.

So Trumps's stock market and tax regime has benefited billionaires most of all while he further impoverishes poor people and destroys their children's future.

pjohnson

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Oh dear, the irony of this

The man never stops giving pure golden content in fairness.

Its always a shame when he doesnt brave up and face the media himself. Always provides the goods.

ExMachina1000

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Prior to the pandemic, the deficit grew by 74% since Trump took over. Selling American children's futures to feed his ego.

The stock market has grown but cui bono? Billionaires have been the winners. Also gap between rich and poor has grown under Trump. Who did the 2017 tax cuts benefit most? The very wealthy. So the people who have benefited most from the stock market have been the very wealthy and those who benefited least have been the poor.

So Trumps's stock market and tax regime has benefited billionaires most of all while he further impoverishes poor people and destroys their children's future.

Am I correct that you are saying a booming stock market does not mean anything to normal people. It exclusively affects billionaires?

A booming stock market means confidence, means expansion, means normal people's pensions (401k) are worth more, means businesses take on more staff hence the record low unemployment.

A stock crash means no expansion, pension funds lost or devalued, lay offs and higher unemployment.

This is real not opinion. Maybe you don't understand basic economics.

In summary: good stock market good for everyone

Bad stock market not good for everyone ESPECIALLY the working poor as they lose jobs.

Don't worry about the billionaires they diversify with bonds. They wont lose out either way. Worry about the working poor

Professor Moriarty

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Am I correct that you are saying a booming stock market does not mean anything to normal people. It exclusively affects billionaires.

Correct. If you have an unequal society that you are making more unequal, you introduce tax cuts that favour the very wealthy and you borrow a trillion euros a year to plug the tax gap, then a booming stock market is meaningless to ordinary people.

ExMachina1000

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Correct. If you have an unequal society that you are making more unequal, you introduce tax cuts that favour the very wealthy and you borrow a trillion euros a year to plug the tax gap, then a booming stock market is meaningless to ordinary people.

You are so so wrong.

Professor Moriarty

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

You are so so wrong.

Sure. How have poor people been getting on under Trump?

PropJoe10

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

You are so so wrong.

Care to share some economic analysis to back up your position here?

Quin_Dub

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Am I correct that you are saying a booming stock market does not mean anything to normal people. It exclusively affects billionaires?

A booming stock market means confidence, means expansion, means normal people's pensions (401k) are worth more, means businesses take on more staff hence the record low unemployment.

A stock crash means no expansion, pension funds lost or devalued, lay offs and higher unemployment.

This is real not opinion. Maybe you don't understand basic economics.

In summary: good stock market good for everyone

Bad stock market not good for everyone ESPECIALLY the working poor as they lose jobs.

Don't worry about the billionaires they diversify with bonds. They wont lose out either way. Worry about the working poor

It does when the majority of the growth was driven by stock buy-backs fed by the Tax cuts so it wasn't "real" growth is was essentially the Government giving the stock market a bailout.

Clearly there is some benefit for those with 401k accounts and the like , but the majority of the benefits went to Corporations and major investment funds.

That growth in the stock market wasn't fueled by new business or market growth or any of the normal drivers of stock market growth, it was and artificial shot of adrenaline fed by a one off tax cut.

notobtuse

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Dem VP candidate has been nominated yet?

If the democrat nominee is Biden is suspect he’ll pick Kamala Harris. He apparently committed to picking a woman as his VP and by picking Harris it’s a shameless ploy to appease African Americans for his ‘You ain’t black comment,’ and it rolls back her accusation early in the debate of pretty much calling Biden a racist over the busing issue.

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Am I correct that you are saying a booming stock market does not mean anything to normal people. It exclusively affects billionaires?

A booming stock market means confidence, means expansion, means normal people's pensions (401k) are worth more, means businesses take on more staff hence the record low unemployment.

A stock crash means no expansion, pension funds lost or devalued, lay offs and higher unemployment.

This is real not opinion. Maybe you don't understand basic economics.

In summary: good stock market good for everyone

Bad stock market not good for everyone ESPECIALLY the working poor as they lose jobs.

Don't worry about the billionaires they diversify with bonds. They wont lose out either way. Worry about the working poor

Half of people don’t have a 401k so how does it help them?

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

You are so so wrong.

That’s no counter argument.

Professor Moriarty

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It does when the majority of the growth was driven by stock buy-backs fed by the Tax cuts so it wasn't "real" growth is was essentially the Government giving the stock market a bailout.

Clearly there is some benefit for those with 401k accounts and the like , but the majority of the benefits went to Corporations and major investment funds.

That growth in the stock market wasn't fueled by new business or market growth or any of the normal drivers of stock market growth, it was and artificial shot of adrenaline fed by a one off tax cut.

Plus workers haven't seen a real increase in their wages.